Elbow Tendonitis

[Zyglamail]

You do really need to chose your PT carefully, I went to a few for some issues and the 3rd time was a charm. I dont think I would have progressed without him. That being said has I stuck with the first two I was I would have wasted a lot of money.

Prolotherapy (google it) is the only real fix for those of us who have tendon issues and want to keep beating on them.

Prolotherapy is the bomb, been having it done for 10+ years myself. Its starting to become a little more popular and even with prolo I think its vitally important to take the supplements I mentioned above. you will heal much faster and have a much stronger repair.

 

[stevesmi]

the bottom line here is you should never let inflammation become chronic in the first place. its a lose/lose situation.

I've been yelling at people on here since I joined to not make the same mistakes I made which ruined an otherwise amazing endurance career I had.. I was headed to the ironman's, instead I went from the penthouse to the outhouse because I listened to the wrong people who gave me shit advice (including doctors). there was one guy who kept telling me REST REST REST REST, you don't want it to become chronic.. yada yada yada.. same shit I say on here. I blew him off because I had 10 other people telling me to run through it and to take anti-inflammatories before a race.

its not all bad because I got back into lifting but now I see people making the same mistakes in the weight room, and on these boards, and I shake my head at how stubborn they are. I think movies like Rocky or Rudy where people get their head beat in and end up champions at the end have tricked people into thinking you are TOUGH if you fight through pain, that's not tough that's STUPID! didn't Muhammad Ali end up with significant brain damage from his fighting and can barely speak or walk? how come Hollywood and the media doesn't glorify that? every wrestler I know that are in their 40's today are on PK's and can't even workout anymore. whether you are hurt or not you better get in that ring or else the show can't go on.

 

[travishibachi]

the bottom line here is you should never let inflammation become chronic in the first place. its a lose/lose situation.

I've been yelling at people on here since I joined to not make the same mistakes I made which ruined an otherwise amazing endurance career I had.. I was headed to the ironman's, instead I went from the penthouse to the outhouse because I listened to the wrong people who gave me shit advice (including doctors). there was one guy who kept telling me REST REST REST REST, you don't want it to become chronic.. yada yada yada.. same shit I say on here. I blew him off because I had 10 other people telling me to run through it and to take anti-inflammatories before a race.

its not all bad because I got back into lifting but now I see people making the same mistakes in the weight room, and on these boards, and I shake my head at how stubborn they are. I think movies like Rocky or Rudy where people get their head beat in and end up champions at the end have tricked people into thinking you are TOUGH if you fight through pain, that's not tough that's STUPID! didn't Muhammad Ali end up with significant brain damage from his fighting and can barely speak or walk? how come Hollywood and the media doesn't glorify that? every wrestler I know that are in their 40's today are on PK's and can't even workout anymore. whether you are hurt or not you better get in that ring or else the show can't go on.

^^Good post, sir. I have a very tough time keeping myself in check because I always want to go all out 100% of the time. But the body needs to be able to rest and recover so that you can repair damaged tissues and build new muscle. There's a study that shows how bad training is for you if you're still really sore from a previous workout. Your cortisol levels spike, your body goes into emergency mode and the first thing that breaks down is muscle into aminos so the body can try to fix itself. I know I'm not going to PR every day that I lift and that there are going to be some really shitty days. Days where I can't even hit numbers that I should have no problem with at all. And that's part of the grind because I'm that much more pumped when I do break through a plateau. Training is a very delicate balance of knowing when to go balls deep and when to take it easy and I'm so much more disciplined now than I was even 2 years ago. All part of the learning process.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ you can train while sore but that's where having an effective split comes into play.

if your legs are sore then train your upper body and vice versa. I have been using the push, pull, leg split and its worked well for me.

now inflammation is a different story.. If you start noticing inflammation you have to listen to your body on that and allow it to heal.

worst comes to worst go into major de-load and drop your weights down 50-60%.. I promise you the guys who go heavy every workout are the ones who deal with inflammation. lifting with your tendons and ligaments vs. lifting with your muscles is huge

 

[MaxxReps]

lifting with your tendons and ligaments vs. lifting with your muscles is huge

This.

I've heard everyone say that injuries are common on juice because you are so much stronger and even though your muscles are stronger your connective tissues aren't. While I believe this is true other than slightly aggravating existing conditions all of my injuries have been before I started using steroids and I believe it is exactly what Steve said. I pushed past where my muscles were fatigued and think that because of that my tendons and ligaments took a beating.

I've since dropped the ego and weights and have seen very steady progress and while it may not be as sexy to shoulder press 50's as it is 70's its not sexy at all to not do any upper body work for 6 months or more due a shoulder injury.

 

[travishibachi]

^^^ you can train while sore but that's where having an effective split comes into play.

if your legs are sore then train your upper body and vice versa. I have been using the push, pull, leg split and its worked well for me.

now inflammation is a different story.. If you start noticing inflammation you have to listen to your body on that and allow it to heal.

worst comes to worst go into major de-load and drop your weights down 50-60%.. I promise you the guys who go heavy every workout are the ones who deal with inflammation. lifting with your tendons and ligaments vs. lifting with your muscles is huge

^^True. I usually break down my workouts into a push/pull/posterior chain split so I don't overdo it. Usually I just deload every 4th week because my third week is when I work up to heavy singles after doing doubles and triples the previous weeks. You're pretty wise, steve! Haha thanks for all of your wisdom, bro.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

You do really need to chose your PT carefully, I went to a few for some issues and the 3rd time was a charm. I dont think I would have progressed without him. That being said has I stuck with the first two I was I would have wasted a lot of money.



Prolotherapy is the bomb, been having it done for 10+ years myself. Its starting to become a little more popular and even with prolo I think its vitally important to take the supplements I mentioned above. you will heal much faster and have a much stronger repair.

Exactly with the PT. Case in point....my PT (who is also my chiro and ART guy) is also handling my current ACL rehab (9 weeks post op). He is very aggressive. He also likes to see results. He sees me once a week to check progress and we discuss next steps. I do my own PT in the gym on my own. He doesn't gouge me for cash like 90% of PT's. My wife has a client who's nephew is seeing a local PT for ACL also and is 6-7 months into PT and is at the same progress point I was at after 6 weeks. Fucking sad... and he goes 3 days a week!!!!!

Zyg, you are the one that made me pull the trigger on prolo back in 08' or 09'. I actually just got home from a treatment like 90 minutes ago. Had both infraspinatus tendons/muscles done, my right brachialis, triceps insertion at the back of the elbow on the left and right arm and the forearm flexor anconus(sp?) on the right arm. 6 spots. Next time I will be getting 5cc's of ozone gas injected into my brachialis.

 

[Zyglamail]

Exactly with the PT. Case in point....my PT (who is also my chiro and ART guy) is also handling my current ACL rehab (9 weeks post op). He is very aggressive. He also likes to see results. He sees me once a week to check progress and we discuss next steps. I do my own PT in the gym on my own. He doesn't gouge me for cash like 90% of PT's. My wife has a client who's nephew is seeing a local PT for ACL also and is 6-7 months into PT and is at the same progress point I was at after 6 weeks. Fucking sad... and he goes 3 days a week!!!!!

Zyg, you are the one that made me pull the trigger on prolo back in 08' or 09'. I actually just got home from a treatment like 90 minutes ago. Had both infraspinatus tendons/muscles done, my right brachialis, triceps insertion at the back of the elbow on the left and right arm and the forearm flexor anconus(sp?) on the right arm. 6 spots. Next time I will be getting 5cc's of ozone gas injected into my brachialis.

Funny you mention it, my PT does chiro and massage as well . Those seem to be the best, the ones that dont just rely on one aspect.

Your one of the few who actually listed to my prolo preaching, most just ignored me but the shit works wonders. I know my prolo doc has some supps he recommends but they were spendy and I think missed the boat on the importance of vit C and lysine.

If one were to take vit C to bowel tolerance along with lysine chondroitin while getting prolo it would work so much faster and collagen produced would be significantly stronger. Woth I had known about that myself back when I was getting a lot of prolo done. Luckily, knock on wood, I havent needed prolo in a couple years, which I contribute to my laundry list of supplements.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Funny you mention it, my PT does chiro and massage as well . Those seem to be the best, the ones that dont just rely on one aspect.

Your one of the few who actually listed to my prolo preaching, most just ignored me but the shit works wonders. I know my prolo doc has some supps he recommends but they were spendy and I think missed the boat on the importance of vit C and lysine.

If one were to take vit C to bowel tolerance along with lysine chondroitin while getting prolo it would work so much faster and collagen produced would be significantly stronger. Woth I had known about that myself back when I was getting a lot of prolo done. Luckily, knock on wood, I havent needed prolo in a couple years, which I contribute to my laundry list of supplements.

Well on that note I will start mega dosing vitamin c today. My Prolo doc doesn't care about supps ect. He was actually expressing his frustration today that he wants to use HGH in prolo but the gov't would be constantly looking over his shoulder wondering WTF he was using it for. Thus the hassle vs reward ratio wasn't worth it at this point. I am extremely fortunate to have one of the premiere prolo docs in the US though that is constantly trying the newest shit out there.
Zyg, look into prolozone or ozone therapy injections for joints/connective tissue. Amazing shit.

Most of the guys stop listening when they realize they will have to pay for it and get their medical records sent to the new doc ect...its a bit of work to get set up. Its all about a quick fix bandaid so they can get back to their cycle.

 

[musclemom]

I take it PRP or prolotherapy hasn't been mentioned.

PRP healed a full thickness tear of my supraspinatus tendon. Took a while, had to have a couple of fat grafts, will never be perfect, but it was a full thickness tear that healed without surgery. You jump on tendon problems early, before they get as severe as mine was, you can totally repair them -- with the right doc.