Drop sets..

[mikefear]

proof?

More work = more muscle growth.

more volume = more work.

 

[silver_shadow]

That's where your wrong.. 5x5 is great for strength because it helps to train the CNS, but is not nearly as effective for hypertrophy when compared to a 4x10/3x8/3x10 type workout.

really?

 

[mikefear]

From what I've read, yes..

This is why you see PL'ers training in the 3-5 rep range working on strength and bb'ers working in the 10-12 rep range focusing on hypertrophy.. will both put on size + strength? hell yeah.. is one better for a certain goal? it certainly seems that way.

 

[silver_shadow]

explain ronnie coleman pulling 800x2 then

 

[al420]

I don't go off of "seems" I go off science, and you are completely wrong. PL'ers look like they do b/c of diet - same w/ BB's. Just look at your companys new spoksmodel - the monster Ulter posted a thread about - he keeps dieting down and he will look like a BBN but w/ PL strength - now that is something to shoot for.

 

[mikefear]

explain ronnie coleman pulling 800x2 then

Let's not compare any of us to Ronnie Coleman.. and he did that for fun. All the rest of his sets were in the 10-15 rep range.

 

[mikefear]

I don't go off of "seems" I go off science, and you are completely wrong. PL'ers look like they do b/c of diet - same w/ BB's. Just look at your companys new spoksmodel - the monster Ulter posted a thread about - he keeps dieting down and he will look like a BBN but w/ PL strength - now that is something to shoot for.

Did I say you couldn't get big off of a 5x5? nope.. i said you'll put on size and strength using either, and that once is typically preferred over the other to realize certain goals.

but lets be honest.. the same thing wont work for everyone even if trying to accomplish the same thing. some people will grow better off a 5x5 and some off a 3x10.. who knows.

 

[al420]

Well I have trained both ways - have you? The 5x5 is about a thousand times more taxing than any BB program I have seen and I have done them all.

 

[silver_shadow]

mike, perhaps you've never heard his famous quote then - about everyone wanting to be bodybuilders but no one wanting to lift heavy weights...

no we can't compare ourselves to him, but since when was lifting heavy NOT going to cause alot of hypertrophy compared with lifting light and getting a bit of excessive blood to engorge muscles?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

More work = more muscle growth.

more volume = more work.

I'm aware of that.

5x5 vs. traditional magazine type "hypertrophy" routines is much more volume.

Just curious if you could back up that concrete statment you made. I'm not dead set on any certain training style... I like reading.

From what i've read over the past year being here and educating myself... BBing is a blend of Powerlifting and Isolation.

If someone takes enough juice... they could do cable work all day and grow just from the "stimulation" and pump for sure.

Heavy core lifts combined with a few "isolation" exercises has done wonders for my physique... since the 5x5 ... 7 weeks ago. I'm thicker all around.... and my back does not look like my avatar anymore... i actually have pronouced spinal erectors that don't give me shit anymore and are conditioned well.

I added 2 inches to each leg since squating 3x week on the 5x5... that's muscle gain I'd say

I like this thread. There is NO one answer, IMO. (well from the off topic discussion that we've gotten into)