Don't touch gear until your BF% is down to X

[Gumaro]

im going out on a limb saying that the majority of people want to use AAS to look good. it doesnt matter if they weight 140lbs or 250lbs. and once we achieve the desired goal, we are happy. sure if we see a big guy in the gym, we get envious. but outside the gym, what are the chances you'll bump into someone that is big? so it doesnt matter whether you look like you use AAS when youre not nude. do what you feel is ideal and go from there. learn from your experiences.

that said, IMO, if youre trying to bulk then you should be 10-12% so you dont get too much BF. if youre trying to trim down then it doesnt matter if youre as high as 20%. despite what people say, you will get some LBM. not as much as if you were in a bulking diet but you still will get some good LMB added to your frame.

 

[mustang_00]

a couple years ago my buddy decided he wanted to change his life style and get healthy so we started working out together. he was a little over 30%bf. he started getting really motivated so i knew he was serious. It turns out one of his cousins was on gear and hooked him up with a first time cycle. it was just test cyp he went for 12 weeks on and didn't even run PCT well a month after his cycle was over he was down to 16% bf. I don't know what to think about that. haha i was happy for him but mad at the same time. This was the laziest fucking guy in the world. We gave him the nickname "nuts" haha cause that was the last thing to get off his bed when he got up in the morning. Can anyone explain how that's possible? He would take the weekends off on his diet and hit up buffets and endless pancakes (crap like that)

i'm gonna start calling him a coke whore