Don't Fear Bloating!

[Nelson Montana]

threads like this one are the ones that help people. giving props where do:

Samoth and Nelson, and now Needto is agreeing, you guys are the reason I have shortened my cycles and lowered my doses. i have felt better, recovered better, saved money, and gained just as much without the sides such as Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - dick and loss of libido.

That's the kind of post I love to read.

By the way, sparring K with the use of diuretics isn't always a good thing. A potassium/sodium imbalance puts you at risk of a heart attack if it gets too extreme. K is not the way to go to get rid of water. A little is fine, but I would never go over 200% of the RDA. Inducing urination naturally (and sweating) is the much safer for removing excess water.

 

[mr.nitro]

why is every single post a sales pitch?

 

[samoth]

By the way, sparring K with the use of diuretics isn't always a good thing. A potassium/sodium imbalance puts you at risk of a heart attack if it gets too extreme.

Whoa, what? Really? I was not aware of this.

... hmm... it does make sense when you think about it, but so much negative press is given to non-k-sparing diuretics that not much is said about the potential dangers of those that do.

 

[al420]

Whoa, what? Really? I was not aware of this.

What else is new.....

 

[Nelson Montana]

why is every single post a sales pitch?

That's funny, I went back over the 4 pages and saw that only the first post even mentioned a recommended product pertaining to the topic. Many people have found the subject and information useful so where is this even coming from?

 

[Triple J]

you rarely saw bros back in Arnie's or Larry Scott's day bloat the way today's BB do with their distended guts and such, so it does not hinder the gains that much to stay away from long-ester test, insulin, etc. i like water retention to a degree just not when it starts to distend the gut and affect the internal organs, raising BP, causing shortness of breath, and straining the heart. then its bad news. i agree run as little anti-e as possible but have it on hand if you need to increase the dose. a mild diuretic can also be helpful. but the best bet for most people (non-competitors) is to strictly limit the amount of aromatizing gear. although Arnie and others in that day loved their dbol, perhaps the large amounts of primo they ran with it limited the aromatization.

 

[samoth]

What else is new.....

I love my precious water weight.

Then again, I can't comprehend bloating up so much I couldn't get my shoes on.

 

[MichaelScott]

makes sense, i like the bloat feels like i am accomplishing something visually

 

[2raptors]

Anyway, I thought the sales-pitch's and ads came WITH my plat membership? I LOVE those links! Keep 'em coming.

I tell you...you guys have got me very stoked for my first cycle (I'm just WAITING for my package to arrive) and I'm giong to follow Nelson's advice to the "T" and post progress.! Thanks for the great thread guys!

M

 

[gjohnson5]

The IGF-1 increase is due to estrogen elevation
There are studies that suggest that arimidex and femara actually increase IGF-1

A lot of guys are so afraid of retatining water and they use all sorts of shit to get rid of it. NOT, a good idea.

Part of bloating is increased blood volume. This brings more nutrients to the muscles and allows for greater growth. Why get rid of that? Water also soothes the joints and increases strength. (A good portion of the incresed strength from creatine is the water retention). The supplement VIGOR increases blood volume and that too is another reason why it's effective. Let the steroids do their thing!

Of course, no one wants a moon face. But that is avoidable simply by using lower dosages. ADroll is the worst for this because it's the one steroid which increases blood volume the most! Just keep it under control.

Using anti e's to reduce bloat just isn't smart, AND...it hinders gains by lowering IGF.

Nobody likes bloat but it's more of a vanity thing. If you just want to get rid of a little water under the skin, a natty diuretic (DEFINITION being the best IMO) is all you need. And break a sweat during your workout! If the edema gets so bad that your blood pressure rises, take a triple dose of DEFINITION for 3 days, drink a lot of water and take it easy on the salt and it should get you back to normal.

Water retention is a part of cycling. Keep it under control but don't try to elliminate it altogether.