Doing WHEY only pre-post workout????

[Cynical Simian]

Yeah, this one really big dude at my gym says it'll make you fat.

 

[Protobuilder]

good to see your post rudeness has not declined in my absence.

Bravo. Bravo.

Where the fuck have you been? This place is full of pole smokers now. (me excepted)

 

[Guinness5.0]

Yeah, this one really big dude at my gym says it'll make you fat.

A guy I used to work with refused to drink milk at all because he said he read that it raises estrogen levels .

 

[SDHW]

I have been doing a lot of reading on milk, I used to drink about a gallon a day, but I was getting concern about all the sugar and fat in it. Its very calorie dense and is great for bulking, but I was putting on too much fat. so I dropped it. I have been reading a lot of good things about raw non-pasteurized milk, but im still unsure about it.

The thing that I would be concerned about with adding milk to my post workout drink would be the fat content. We are insulin sensitive due to weight training, which is why having protein and simple carbs gets shuttled into the muscle post workout. taking fat in at this time would cause it too be stored very quickly. I have always been told that you should stay clear of fat post workout.

also on a side note, wouldn’t combining whey and casein slow the absorption rate of whey dramatically, and thus defeat the effects of using whey postworkout?

 

[Protobuilder]

The thing that I would be concerned about with adding milk to my post workout drink would be the fat content.

The whole "fat makes you fat" argument was debunked long ago. Too much of anything makes you fat.

also on a side note, wouldn’t combining whey and casein slow the absorption rate of whey dramatically, and thus defeat the effects of using whey postworkout?

Didn't you read the study blurb above?

 

[SDHW]

The whole "fat makes you fat" argument was debunked long ago. Too much of anything makes you fat.



Didn't you read the study blurb above?

I agree with the fat makes you fat, not what im talking about. I am talking about taking in fat post workout. We all agree that we are insulin sensitive post workout. And if that is true and we know that insulin stores stuff (in simple terms) then if we take in a lot of fat at this time, it would be easy to see that excess fat will now be stored as fat.

I did read the article, but I question its accuracy. I dont think just b/c they did one study with 36 men, that we should now write it in stone! im more or less bringing up topics for discussion.

they should have also done a group with whey protein and simple carbs(dextrose)

they also should have just gave one group whey protein, and not added the BCAA's and L-glutamine to it.

 

[Cynical Simian]

I agree with the fat makes you fat, not what im talking about. I am talking about taking in fat post workout. We all agree that we are insulin sensitive post workout. And if that is true and we know that insulin stores stuff (in simple terms) then if we take in a lot of fat at this time, it would be easy to see that excess fat will now be stored as fat.

You don't even know what "insulin sensitive" means, do you? By your logic, people shouldn't eat carbs or protein post-workout either, since "it would be easy to see that excess [protein/carbs] will now be stored as fat."

Put another way: "Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you stop talking for a while."

 

[Protobuilder]

. . .

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Cynical Simian again.

 

[SDHW]

You don't even know what "insulin sensitive" means, do you? By your logic, people shouldn't eat carbs or protein post-workout either, since "it would be easy to see that excess [protein/carbs] will now be stored as fat."

Put another way: "Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you stop talking for a while."

bro who the f**k are you. I was bringing up discussion, is that not what this forum is for?? Dont be a dick, whats the need for it... and I think you’re the one who doesn’t know what insulin sensitive means, go back and check on that. and tell me again that weight training doesn’t cause the muscle to become more insulin sensitive following a workout! oh and by my logic insulin increases protein syntheses and increases amino acid transport and increases glucose uptake, which is why we take a protein/carbohydrate drink post workout. Didnt read anywhere in there that said stored it as fat did you?

Put another way: "take it easy Champ, and check your facts"!

 

[Guinness5.0]

Put another way: "take it easy Champ, and check your facts"!

SDHW:
I'm not sure why my friends reacted the way they did above. I think you raise valid points.

I am also curious to know if there is much in the way of proof/evidence that the intake of fats would be detrimental to gains when ingested PWO. I've seen it recommended that fats be avoided PWO because it hinders glycogen conversion/amino acid uptake rather than because the dietary fat is likely to be stored as bodyfat. Any9one care to share any links/articles that shed some light on this?