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Does sweating without moving burns fat like doing cardio?
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firefighter337
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I am curious of this too. I have read that sweat is 99% salt water - Saline and 1% fatty acid. That is why you feel sticky after you dry off.
But I know zero truth behind it.
Good question.
But I know zero truth behind it.
Good question.
needtogetaas
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well yes just a bit though...its mostly water wait but any time you can raise your core body temp it will burn some cals.
needtogetaas
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ahhhhhh fuck it seems like a good read for the subject.
Most people when they see a sauna, there only real thought is that of a nice warm relaxing soak after a hard work-out, but the benefits of using a sauna as a part of your work-out program can bring so much more. Ok let’s start with the benefits.
It relieves stress and the heat and a combination of scrubbing [the removal of dead skin cells] induce the bodies’ immune system to release endorphins [the bodies feel good fluid]. Which in turn relaxes the muscles, there is also the added benefit of the increased circulation through the rubbing action, but also .the removal of the dead skin cells and the sweating also removes harmful and toxic chemicals from your body, such as salts which increase high blood pressure, ammonia, urea, and alcohol [which sweats out of your body long before the water in your body] at this point it would be a good time to talk about weight loss,
Yes its true you lose weight in sauna and yes its true once you have a drink the weight returns, however what isn’t really though about is that the original weight loss [in form of fluid depletion] is removing the less good fluids from your body and replacing them with clean / fresh fluids, so detoxing your system but it is also effectively steam cleaning your body from the inside out.
As I explained earlier the heating effect of the sauna on your body resulting in increased circulation, and this too has various benefits which effect you training, the heat and the circulation effects help you body to heal from muscular injuries faster and more effectively, this happens as a result of the muscles being warm and relaxed together with the antibodies being pumped to the damaged site quicker. Ok so it relieves stress, it detoxes our body, and it aids our recovery from muscular injuries and potentially gives short-term weight loss.
But what hasn’t been mentioned is that it can also be used as a very effective fat burner as part of your workout process, the way your body works is this, as you exercise your body burns calories, these calories are usually in the form of soluble sugars within your blood stream and then as you workout continues from the food being digested in your stomach, but what happens at the same time that your body starts to use the food in your stomach it also starts to breakdown long term calories stored elsewhere around you body stored as fat. However this is were the sauna technology really comes into its own,
Using the calorie burn idea you know that after about 15 minutes the body will be starting to break down fat fuel, as most people are advised to train on an empty stomach, so this is what you do if you want to impact your trouble body area's [stomach, butt, legs, arms] after a little but fast warm up [to get the metabolism burning calories] you focus on you fat trouble area’s.
This is two fold [1] first your exercise is working the area you wish to change,
[2] Your exercise is moving muscles in the affected area and this is breaking down the stored fat in those affected area's and making it again soluble, [getting it back into the blood stream so it can once again be burn as energy] ok but this doesn't have anything to do with sauna’s.
Well, yes it does the same principle that your body uses during a sauna is what you use during your workout, as your body works out it breaks down the fat fuel, this is a chemical reaction and as so gives off heat so raising your body temperature, which in turn makes your body cool its self down by making you sweat. In order to sweat your body needs to heat up the water in your body, and just like trying to boil a kettle full of water it takes a lot of energy to raise the water temperature just one degree, so the harder you workout the hotter you get, the hotter you get the more you sweat and therefore the more energy you burn up to cool yourself down. Ok what have we learned, that working out hard makes you sweat, and in order to sweat the body needs to burn calories, and the calories come from burning sugar or broken down stored fat.
Well where sauna technology comes in is that once you have been working out for approximately 1 hour, your body will have reached its maximum heart rate, this gives your heart its work out and allows the rest of the body to function, your body will be sweating and you will be burning calories of one type or another, this is the point at which sauna technology should be used, first shower with warm to wash off all the toxins and sweat from your body, have a good size drink (1 to 2 litres of water) this is to stop you becoming dehydrated and to give you fluid’s to flush your system , once clean turn the shower to cold this is to drop your body temperature and reduce the changes of you passing out or of having heat stroke , it is particularly useful if the cold water is directed onto the back of your neck as this is where the temperature sensors for your body are located (so monitoring the temperature of the blood going to the brain , by cooling the neck it tells your brain the your body is cool . once you feel comfortable you head to the sauna .
It should be noted at this point that you are not a lobster and therefore pouring water onto the coals to produce a fierce heat spike resulting in burned nostrils is not the desired effect, rather you sit in the sauna at a temperature of 85 – 100 degrees and relax, you should start to see beads of sweat start to appear all over your body, this is that calorie burn, and because of the targeted efforts of your training (working your abs or your love handles) the fat will continue to burn the fat from those area’s because your exercise of those parts have broken down the fatty tissue making it soluble again, the other benefit of this technique is that your body will continue to burn these calories at this elevated rate for as long as you are in the sauna and if your sauna session last’s 1 hour up to 4 hours after leaving the sauna thou at a steadily reducing rate , which is why you continue to sweat after leaving the gym once cooled down, showered and changed. The other noticeable benefit for this is that your heart will also be worked at that maximum elevated rate all the time your in the sauna, thou you are not adding any additional wear and tear to your body.
The other misconception with regard to sauna use is the duration that you should spend in the sauna, you are not using this as a torture device, therefore as the beads of sweat start to appear, but before you start to feel uncomfortable, leave the sauna and have a warm shower followed by a cold shower then return to the sauna, this can easily maintain your duration up to an hour without any feelings of discomfort, also should you start to feel light headed, leave the sauna, take a cool shower and then sit outside the shower and allow your body to air dry , this will cool your entire body more safely , then once you feel cool and comfortable again , have another cool shower , before either returning to the sauna or getting changed . Whilst in the sauna your body will continue to burn calories at the same rate that you were when you were exercising, thou this takes a lot less effort and can therefore maximize your workouts especially if weight loss is your goal.
Most people when they see a sauna, there only real thought is that of a nice warm relaxing soak after a hard work-out, but the benefits of using a sauna as a part of your work-out program can bring so much more. Ok let’s start with the benefits.
It relieves stress and the heat and a combination of scrubbing [the removal of dead skin cells] induce the bodies’ immune system to release endorphins [the bodies feel good fluid]. Which in turn relaxes the muscles, there is also the added benefit of the increased circulation through the rubbing action, but also .the removal of the dead skin cells and the sweating also removes harmful and toxic chemicals from your body, such as salts which increase high blood pressure, ammonia, urea, and alcohol [which sweats out of your body long before the water in your body] at this point it would be a good time to talk about weight loss,
Yes its true you lose weight in sauna and yes its true once you have a drink the weight returns, however what isn’t really though about is that the original weight loss [in form of fluid depletion] is removing the less good fluids from your body and replacing them with clean / fresh fluids, so detoxing your system but it is also effectively steam cleaning your body from the inside out.
As I explained earlier the heating effect of the sauna on your body resulting in increased circulation, and this too has various benefits which effect you training, the heat and the circulation effects help you body to heal from muscular injuries faster and more effectively, this happens as a result of the muscles being warm and relaxed together with the antibodies being pumped to the damaged site quicker. Ok so it relieves stress, it detoxes our body, and it aids our recovery from muscular injuries and potentially gives short-term weight loss.
But what hasn’t been mentioned is that it can also be used as a very effective fat burner as part of your workout process, the way your body works is this, as you exercise your body burns calories, these calories are usually in the form of soluble sugars within your blood stream and then as you workout continues from the food being digested in your stomach, but what happens at the same time that your body starts to use the food in your stomach it also starts to breakdown long term calories stored elsewhere around you body stored as fat. However this is were the sauna technology really comes into its own,
Using the calorie burn idea you know that after about 15 minutes the body will be starting to break down fat fuel, as most people are advised to train on an empty stomach, so this is what you do if you want to impact your trouble body area's [stomach, butt, legs, arms] after a little but fast warm up [to get the metabolism burning calories] you focus on you fat trouble area’s.
This is two fold [1] first your exercise is working the area you wish to change,
[2] Your exercise is moving muscles in the affected area and this is breaking down the stored fat in those affected area's and making it again soluble, [getting it back into the blood stream so it can once again be burn as energy] ok but this doesn't have anything to do with sauna’s.
Well, yes it does the same principle that your body uses during a sauna is what you use during your workout, as your body works out it breaks down the fat fuel, this is a chemical reaction and as so gives off heat so raising your body temperature, which in turn makes your body cool its self down by making you sweat. In order to sweat your body needs to heat up the water in your body, and just like trying to boil a kettle full of water it takes a lot of energy to raise the water temperature just one degree, so the harder you workout the hotter you get, the hotter you get the more you sweat and therefore the more energy you burn up to cool yourself down. Ok what have we learned, that working out hard makes you sweat, and in order to sweat the body needs to burn calories, and the calories come from burning sugar or broken down stored fat.
Well where sauna technology comes in is that once you have been working out for approximately 1 hour, your body will have reached its maximum heart rate, this gives your heart its work out and allows the rest of the body to function, your body will be sweating and you will be burning calories of one type or another, this is the point at which sauna technology should be used, first shower with warm to wash off all the toxins and sweat from your body, have a good size drink (1 to 2 litres of water) this is to stop you becoming dehydrated and to give you fluid’s to flush your system , once clean turn the shower to cold this is to drop your body temperature and reduce the changes of you passing out or of having heat stroke , it is particularly useful if the cold water is directed onto the back of your neck as this is where the temperature sensors for your body are located (so monitoring the temperature of the blood going to the brain , by cooling the neck it tells your brain the your body is cool . once you feel comfortable you head to the sauna .
It should be noted at this point that you are not a lobster and therefore pouring water onto the coals to produce a fierce heat spike resulting in burned nostrils is not the desired effect, rather you sit in the sauna at a temperature of 85 – 100 degrees and relax, you should start to see beads of sweat start to appear all over your body, this is that calorie burn, and because of the targeted efforts of your training (working your abs or your love handles) the fat will continue to burn the fat from those area’s because your exercise of those parts have broken down the fatty tissue making it soluble again, the other benefit of this technique is that your body will continue to burn these calories at this elevated rate for as long as you are in the sauna and if your sauna session last’s 1 hour up to 4 hours after leaving the sauna thou at a steadily reducing rate , which is why you continue to sweat after leaving the gym once cooled down, showered and changed. The other noticeable benefit for this is that your heart will also be worked at that maximum elevated rate all the time your in the sauna, thou you are not adding any additional wear and tear to your body.
The other misconception with regard to sauna use is the duration that you should spend in the sauna, you are not using this as a torture device, therefore as the beads of sweat start to appear, but before you start to feel uncomfortable, leave the sauna and have a warm shower followed by a cold shower then return to the sauna, this can easily maintain your duration up to an hour without any feelings of discomfort, also should you start to feel light headed, leave the sauna, take a cool shower and then sit outside the shower and allow your body to air dry , this will cool your entire body more safely , then once you feel cool and comfortable again , have another cool shower , before either returning to the sauna or getting changed . Whilst in the sauna your body will continue to burn calories at the same rate that you were when you were exercising, thou this takes a lot less effort and can therefore maximize your workouts especially if weight loss is your goal.
needtogetaas said:
Good post.
The one negative to saunas is that they are bad for the nasal and throat tissues. A steam is better in that regard. And some people need to stay in too long in order to break a good sweat. (I'm not a sweater).
This is why I recommend using a sweat belt when training. (And using DEFINITION is a good idea too). People will say; "Ah, it's just water weight -- it comes right back." Well, yes and no. You lose the salty water under the skin which looks like fat and replace it with intercellular fluid in the muscles. A good deal.
holy ghost
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NELSON - NEEDTO
great posts
thanks guys.
good Q ufo.
great posts
thanks guys.
good Q ufo.
off_safety
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K for the post needto.
sitting still and sweating in a car does little to nothing for caloric expenditure. your heart rate is not elevated and your body is simply cooling off. so no, you arent really doing anything for fat burning. if anything your crazy sweat is an indicator that you are in great condition and your body is prepared to respond to the heat in the best way possible.
enacer420nj
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Fucking mad scientists in here....good shit bros
DJ_UFO
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shape said:
Hey Einstein! explain scientifically how the body burns calories when heart rate is increased. I know it is a fact, but how this happens. Then, explain scientifically how the sweating without increasing heart rate translate in only water calories. What makes the difference. Heart rate? no.
real life examples include how there are warnings for overweight people or people with heart disease to not sit in hot tubs for a while, because it raises heart rate and they dont want them to get heart attacks
http://home.hia.no/~stephens/hrchngs.htm
wasnt there already a thread about this? like 50 actually?
you cant sweat out fat, but when you are sweating its to cool your body...meaning your bodytemeprature is rising. the sweat from working out is an indication of your body working and trying to cool itself. increased body temp makes your body have to work harder which burns cals...all the fat burners and stimulants like clen and all that increase body temperature and make your body just burn more calories in eveyrthing you do...basically boosting metabolism.
so yeah, theoretically, when you sweat in a sauana or in your hot car or on a hot day, your body is working a little harder cause it has to cool itself while you turn the steering wheel or press on the pedals, but its not going to burn nearly as many cals as actually using your body/muscles to walk or jog or bike or lift weights.
i read something on EF somewhere (nonplat so i cant search) about superhydration technique to burning fat and overall increasing metabolism, where if you drink icewater frequently throughout the day, the body has to work to equalize the water temperature in your body and raises your cals burned in the day
needtogetaas
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good postSublimeZM said:
DJ_UFO
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SublimeZM said:
Thanks. But still, what is the scientific explanation for the calorie burn when you move your body. As you said:
"the sweat from working out is an indication of your body working and trying to cool itself. increased body temp makes your body have to work harder which burns cals...all the fat burners and stimulants like clen and all that increase body temperature and make your body just burn more calories in eveyrthing you do...basically boosting metabolism."
That is exactly what happens when you seat on a car with 150 degrees inside. Now why that is not burning fat? if the body "is working harder to cool down"?
I'm not trying to discuss...I'm just trying to end the mystery and have the scientific explanation cause seems like the same damn thing to me; But I have no clue about it; I need the real Mccoy.
i agree with that.DJ_UFO said:
which is why in the paragraph below the one you actually read i wrote
"so yeah, theoretically, when you sweat in a sauana or in your hot car or on a hot day, your body is working a little harder cause it has to cool itself while you turn the steering wheel or press on the pedals, but its not going to burn nearly as many cals as actually using your body/muscles to walk or jog or bike or lift weights."
EDIT: not trying to make you sound dumb or anything, but just incase you arnt putting it together: the reason you burn more when you move your muscles and use them is because it takes calories as the fuel to use it...like gasoline in a car. if you use your muscles when your body temp and heart rate are already up, (as in intense heat, or on fatburners), your heart rate gets that much higher and that much more strain on your body. which is why people say be careful to avoid overdoing it while on fatburners or in the hot sun, cause of heart attack and heat stroke risks. thats why alot of people on coke and speed get heart attacks when they OD
summary: ) heart rate increases to pump (more) nutrients to the body, nutrients being calories, vitamines, minerals, whatever else.
) calories used up in both heart pumping and by the muscles as fuel
) heart rate is more of an indicator of how hard your body is working to pump the blood
) the heart must also pump the blood around to your extremities to help cool the body, and sweat forms as well because when it evaporates or some shit it cools you down.
)therefore yes, you burn cals, sweat, pump blood around, but only for the purpose of cooling you down cause your hot (which also happens during excersise). BUT, when excersising your also using your muscles which burn the calories as fuel
DJ_UFO
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Well what you say makes a lot of sense. So basically you state that there are 2 separate events but they occur under the same condition. The first, the sweat and increased heart rate to cool down the body when its temperature raises and the second, the burning of calories when muscle movement is detected.
Do you burn the same amount of calories running the same amount of time, the same distance but with -20 degrees?
Do you burn the same amount of calories running the same amount of time, the same distance but with -20 degrees?
artificialaspirations
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Are you serious about the sweat belt?
guys, for f uck sake here. sweating does not equal fat burning!
why do we do cardio in the "fat burning zone"? because that heart rate is required to initiate and sustain the fat burning process. anything above this zone and we burn sugar. so, seated in a boiling hot vehicle will simply test your body's response to high temperature by kicking in the cooling system which is sweating!
look up the calories burned in 1 hour from simply sitting. and then add 15 extra calories maybe from sweating per hour. and thats what you got. seriously, someone do a search. sitting in a sauna specifically designed to do whatever it does is not the same as siting in a car and sitting in a sauna without working out will do nothing for fat burning. furthermore, i can guarantee sitting in a sauna for the purpose of cutting fat does zero.
it takes weeks and months to cut fat and get ripped while dieting and doing cardio and anabolic androgenic steroids. the heat from a hot car will do nothing in the real world for fat burning.
i mean come the f uck on here. why do people post studies that were performed in a vacuum environment where every variable is controlled and the outcome is presdestined before the studies begin and then tries to say the results can be replicated in the real world with similar results? you people have been living and breathing for at least 13 years now. probably more. you diet and lift and do cardio and possibly do aas. has fat ever come off easy? do you think anything could be easier than sitting still? common sense approach here.
why do we do cardio in the "fat burning zone"? because that heart rate is required to initiate and sustain the fat burning process. anything above this zone and we burn sugar. so, seated in a boiling hot vehicle will simply test your body's response to high temperature by kicking in the cooling system which is sweating!
look up the calories burned in 1 hour from simply sitting. and then add 15 extra calories maybe from sweating per hour. and thats what you got. seriously, someone do a search. sitting in a sauna specifically designed to do whatever it does is not the same as siting in a car and sitting in a sauna without working out will do nothing for fat burning. furthermore, i can guarantee sitting in a sauna for the purpose of cutting fat does zero.
it takes weeks and months to cut fat and get ripped while dieting and doing cardio and anabolic androgenic steroids. the heat from a hot car will do nothing in the real world for fat burning.
i mean come the f uck on here. why do people post studies that were performed in a vacuum environment where every variable is controlled and the outcome is presdestined before the studies begin and then tries to say the results can be replicated in the real world with similar results? you people have been living and breathing for at least 13 years now. probably more. you diet and lift and do cardio and possibly do aas. has fat ever come off easy? do you think anything could be easier than sitting still? common sense approach here.
DJ_UFO
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timtim said:
Some people just don't know hot to read here. EXPLAIN WHAT IS THE SCIENTIFIC PROCESS THE BODY USE TO MELT AND GET RID OF THE FAT WHILE DOING CARDIO. Let's start from that. I'm talking about an explanation at molecular and cellular level. Not just common sense.
Is the only way to get rid of the myth. Not just "because I know it doesn't work"
needtogetaas
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ya people need it to be dumbed down for them.lolDJ_UFO said:
DJ_UFO said:
dude, then f ucking look it up yourself. common sense approach too much for you, then do some leg work. really not that hard to figure it out but if you need the wheel reinvented do it yourself. somethings may not be blantantly obvious but come on, bodyfat is burned off via increased heart rate causing a host of processes within the body. not sitting in a hot environment.
look up sweating and parasympathetic response in central nervous system. find out that sweating is simply a reaction to heat and has nothing to do with calorie burning to the extent you think it does. then look up fat burning or lypolysis. see what occurs and bam, you can stop trying to refute people by stating things like needing an explanation is the only way to believe and understand it. if heat and hot cars was enough to keep people fit and thin then florida would be loaded with all thin people but from personal experience i can say it sure as hell isnt.
needtogetaas
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no need to be a fucking ass hole bro...if you cant talk with out being a bitch then get off the board...timtim said:
artificialaspirations
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i know sitting in a sauna raises the heart and metabolic rate because it is stressful to the body. The car may not be hot enough but it feels good after a workout and saves gas. ha
I still wouldlike to hear more about the sweat belt
I still wouldlike to hear more about the sweat belt
DJ_UFO
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timtim said:
Dude sincerly, You are an asshole. First I don't know where the hell you live but did you know that in FL every single car has AC? or do you really think people drive with 130 degrees inside?
Second, this thread is not a question for you; it is proven that your answers are vague, non-scientific; I'm posting general questions; if you want to colaborate for the board thank you; if you feel attacked, then get the fuck out of my thread.
Still, if sweating has nothing to do with calorie consumption, what is the carrier the body use to transport burned fat out of the body? urine?
i only had 20 minutes to do this. here are afew links to articles or pages that may be useful or helpful. the ones on the bottom from bb.com are good. the others just have info related to the current topic. in the time i had i couldnt find anything about temperature induced sweating initiating the fat burning process. i did find a chat board where a doctor said you burn more calories in the cold weather sitting still because of the bodys regulatory process of heating the air intake, keeping bmr at maintenance, etc. but he had no bibliography info so i didnt attach that. this is why i said do a search on your own, its not that hard and you can sort through the info based on what you think is important. this will probably all be wrong anyway but heres some stuff.
and i did see that in a sauna a persons heart rate COULD be increased enough to start calorie burning at a rate of around 160 calories per half hour but i dont think anyone in decent shape would respond to heat by increasing the heart rate that much. i would think these people were older and more sedentary as opposed to those who train regularly. i have to walk at around 3.2mph and 7 to 10 degree incline to get my heart rate at 65% of max so sitting in a sauna for me would not have this response.
http://heart.kumu.org/calories.html
calorie burn chart, shows how many calories are burned in various exercises, notice sitting still exerts the least
http://www.psoriasiscafe.org/sweat-works.htm
sweating: how and why
http://www.teamflex.com/weight_loss_lifestyle/burning_fat.asp
a small article reinforcing what i said earlier about fat being hard to lose
http://www.womenof.com/Articles/sf_9_22_03.asp
facts about fat burning from a womens health board
http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/cardioexercisebasics/a/cardiobasics.htm
aerobic exercise necessary to initiate fat burning process
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/casi1.htm
good article, look to bottom for link to part 2
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tallon7.htm
another good one on fat burning
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/danial10.htm
PLEASE LOOK AT MYTH #4
and i did see that in a sauna a persons heart rate COULD be increased enough to start calorie burning at a rate of around 160 calories per half hour but i dont think anyone in decent shape would respond to heat by increasing the heart rate that much. i would think these people were older and more sedentary as opposed to those who train regularly. i have to walk at around 3.2mph and 7 to 10 degree incline to get my heart rate at 65% of max so sitting in a sauna for me would not have this response.
http://heart.kumu.org/calories.html
calorie burn chart, shows how many calories are burned in various exercises, notice sitting still exerts the least
http://www.psoriasiscafe.org/sweat-works.htm
sweating: how and why
http://www.teamflex.com/weight_loss_lifestyle/burning_fat.asp
a small article reinforcing what i said earlier about fat being hard to lose
http://www.womenof.com/Articles/sf_9_22_03.asp
facts about fat burning from a womens health board
http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/cardioexercisebasics/a/cardiobasics.htm
aerobic exercise necessary to initiate fat burning process
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/casi1.htm
good article, look to bottom for link to part 2
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tallon7.htm
another good one on fat burning
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/danial10.htm
PLEASE LOOK AT MYTH #4
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