Dead lift muscle pull

[JLowe02]

there are good arguments for either side, but the bottom line remains that deads are good size and if you want to them you need to be careful and always use correct form, as they are definitely potentially dangerous.

 

[chazk]

I am a pro BB and I train with the best in the business and guess what? You'll rarely if ever see pros do deads because they don't want to risk their careers. It's just not worth it. Now powerlifting, different story. However once you herniate the lumbar disks you will never be the same lifter ever again. If you have the surgery to correct it you're fucked and the same if you don't. Either way your lifting days are over. But If you like em Bro keep on doing them if you think it's worth the potential of being a cripple. When you can't lift in a few yrs because of back injuries remember you've been warned.

Youtube for vids.
Coleman,cutler,martinez ,d jackson, wheeler,ray all have vids of them doing deads.

Just becuase you are a pro and does do not do deads. Do not be so quick to assume deads are usless. Deads when done correct are the best excersize to build grip,strenght and lower back development.
Hyper all you want and goodmorning all you want nothing hits that lower back and lower section of the lats like deads.deads are like a low row and standing hyper combined.


Bodybuilder deadlifts and powerlifter dead lifts are two different things.

Bodybuilder do deads with lighter weights lifting and pulling with the lats and squeezing the back. To isolate the lower lats and back.

powerlifter style is a wider leg stance using more forarm, bicep and legs to thrust up and back to pull the wieght up and in to the body. Just a over all movements not really isolating anything but using the entire body

Bodybuilder style deads can really strenghten the lower back to prevent injury.
powerlifter style done to max weight would more likely be the one to cuase damage just due to the fact of over load on the lower back and joints.
yes someone can go " to heavey" on any excersize and do damage.

 

[chazk]

I didn't say no one does them. I said those who do risk their careers.

BTW...My stats = 36 yrs lifting, 5' 9", 265, 8% body fat off season, in contest shape around 240, 4% body fat, 15 yrs IFBB Pro, several titles that I can't reveal because I can't reveal my ID for legal reasons on here but if you've been around you know who I am. I don't think I need to worry too much about my size and I don't do deads.

Post some pics please

 

[djeclipse]

Trust me dude, I've done deads and lots of them before I damn near crippled myself.

1. I can't stand hypocrites.

Like ceo says, after all that talk about how no "pro's do deads, you now say you've done deads in the past.

2. I'd be willing to bet that the reason you hurt yourself was improper form mixed in with Ego/ lifting too much weight with improper form.

Thus the voice of experience. There are other compound lifts that will give you the same overall benefits like Squats, Benches, Chins, etc which aren't as dangerous as deads that give your body the same kind of CNS stimulation without the potential danger of crippling yourself.

Are you kidding me? Bench press & chins are giving your body the same stimulation as Deads? Now I've heard it all, you have lost all credit if you truly believe this.

As far as size goes I bet I can match anyone on this site height, weight and body fat, etc.

And you've also done Deads which as ceo said, is what got you there, not by doing isolation exercises, big compound movements like Deads.

And to djeclipse...God I wish I could reveal my identity, but you're just not worth it. I bet if you knew who you were fucking with you might have a little more respect. I'm not the kid at GNC for sure, lol. Then again you may be one of those Internet tough guys and if that's the case you're too tough to respect anyone or anything.

Who I'm fucking with? Respect is earned, I could care less who you are. When you come here giving horrible advice and then trying to validate it by saying "I have my pro card"... that does not earn you any respect in my book.

I am not fucking with anyone, I am (as well as others) are setting the record straight for new lifters reading the board with fresh minds, looking for advice.

What IronmanLV is saying about deadlifts is completly wrong.

This is all I am saying.

I'm not the one talking shit about stats, being a pro, you're the internet tough guy right now and it doesn't help your creditability one bit.

 

[djeclipse]

Post some pics please

He can't post pics, he's a top secret agent pro...

 

[IronmanLV]

There you go! I bet you got huge doing deads and other compound lifts...not with isolation movements like DB concentration curls and kickbacks! That's my point.

Some kids new to BB'ing will pick up M&F and read those routines the pros do and think that's how they will get huge! But, it ain't!!! You and I both know this. Fact is, if you had never done a DL in your life you wouldn't be 240 @ 4% on stage! I think the best thing anyone who's new to this and wants to be a BB'er can do is to train with and like a PL'er for at least a few years to get some good size before training like a BB'er.

I think the advice to give here is to learn how to do these great size building movements properly, and use them to build a massive physique, so that you can get to a point where you rarely if ever have to do them to maintain that physique. When you sculpt a statue, you don't start out with a tiny marble, you get the biggest damn rock you can find and start chiseling it down.

By the way, I respect your stats and experience. I was fucking with you about the doing deads and you'd be 265 on stage...I hope you got that!

I agree with you about compound lifts. I just think that deads are very dangerous if not done with absolute concentration and very strict form. Round your back using a heavy weight and it could side line you permanently. Same goes with behind the neck presses with a bar. It's very dangerous one wrong move and you can separate your shoulder and if you are a real moron doing them w/o a competent spotter, someone you know and trust then you're a quad or dead.

I am a big believer in doing multi joint compound lifts and leave isolations to finish off the muscle group once you've developed that muscle group in the first place. Nothing is more ridiculous than a bean pole doing cable crossovers or Mr. Stork legs doing leg extensions, lol.

I knew you were giving me shit and that's all good Bro and thanks for the compliments.

Peace to all

 

[IronmanLV]

He can't post pics, he's a top secret agent pro...

I say if you want to do deads fine, just be extremely careful. One momentary loss of focus with a heavy load can ruin your back PERMANENTLY as in totally fucked for the rest of your life.

I didn't say deads wouldn't make you bigger and stronger but there are other safer ways to achieve similar results. Yes, there are other CNS stimulating compound lifts that can provide the same benefits to growth w/o the risk, like Squats.

Bottomline...We can debate this forever so let's agree to disagree. As far as the personal attacks go nothing good can come from it. Let's take the high road and bury the hatchet. PEACE!

The reason I can't reveal my identity is I am currently under investigation by the feds because they busted one of my sources. They have already executed a warrant on my home and always go through my mail. They are tying to nail me for distribution of AAS but what they found was only for personal use. I'm still fighting it. I still may wind up in shit just for the simple possession but I have an attorney working to keep my out of jail. The fact that I have never sold to anyone is the only reason I'm not in the slammer now and I'm trying to stay out. They are making my life a living hell right now and I don't need anymore shit. That's all I can divulge for now. I hope everyone understands. Take heed from my situation this could happen to any of you too.

 

[djeclipse]

I say if you want to do deads fine, just be extremely careful. One momentary loss of focus with a heavy load can ruin your back PERMANENTLY as in totally fucked for the rest of your life.

No one is saying to go out there, forget about form and try to pull 600 your first time doing the lift.

We are saying that 1. Deads are crutial to building muscle, stressing the entire body as well as give you a solid thick back. There is no other lift that can compare to the deadlift

2. As long as you keep the Ego out of the lift and work on form before going really heavy, deads are a great lift as the reward is monumental.

I didn't say deads wouldn't make you bigger and stronger but there are other safer ways to achieve similar results. Yes, there are other CNS stimulating compound lifts that can provide the same benefits to growth w/o the risk, like Squats.

I agree, squats and Deads are 2 most important lifts for building mass.

But Squats are just as bad as Deads when improper form is used. I would say Squats are even more "dangerous" if improper form is used as you are cairying the weight on your back, they require a very strong core and you can't just let go of the weight like deads, it is a skill in itself dropping the weight off your shoulders safely if you've never done it before.

I don't see how you are prosquats and so against Deads. With bo the exercises proper form is stressed as is adding weight to the bar, starting concervatively.

The deadlift is an important lift for mass building and we don't want to discourage anyone form learning the lift.

Bottomline...We can debate this forever so let's agree to disagree. As far as the personal attacks go nothing good can come from it. Let's take the high road and bury the hatchet. PEACE!

Cheers to that. Nothing personal.

The reason I can't reveal my identity is I am currently under investigation by the feds because they busted one of my sources. They have already executed a warrant on my home and always go through my mail. They are tying to nail me for distribution of AAS but what they found was only for personal use. I'm still fighting it. I still may wind up in shit just for the simple possession but I have an attorney working to keep my out of jail. The fact that I have never sold to anyone is the only reason I'm not in the slammer now and I'm trying to stay out. They are making my life a living hell right now and I don't need anymore shit. That's all I can divulge for now. I hope everyone understands. Take heed from my situation this could happen to any of you too.

Good luck with your case.