well i only said forged because i know it's good and i couldnt' remember the N2BM liver supp's name.... N2Guard is what it's called. I haven't personally used it, but i know it's the top recommended liver supp on this site, and goes the extra mile to make it a great supplement. Dbol is said to be impossible to keep gains from because everyone thinks their water weight is muscle and it's not... Your body doesnt say "Hey, this muscle was made by dianabol, it's no good i'm gonna waste it!" dbol just cause a lot of water retention from aromatization in like the first week or two and people call it "gains". It's water, and you want that to leave after you're done, in fact you dont want that at all. If you ran something like proviron (which is an Anti-estrogen & highly androgenic) with dbol, you would not gain all that water as much as you would without and AI, etc. You'd stay lean and dry looking and you wouldnt lose all of it. Why? Because you never puffed up like a water balloon in the first place. However, i should tell you i've never cycled dbol before, but this to me is common sense. There is no logical reason why dianabol's SOLID muscle gains would atrophy at an almost unstoppable rate whereas no other steroid is that way.