Cycle candidates for those on HRT

[thelion2005]

OK gentlemen ... we've got some energy going about HRT and cycles. Let's take that passion in a constructive direction.

Given:
A man is on HRT. This program includes a base of test at a low dosage ... under 100 mgs p/week. It can include HGH and an anti-esto, such as amiridex.

Where he gets the products, how much he pays and Doctor involvement is interesting and comment worthy, but not in the given.

He now wants to bump up his results and do a cycle.

The question:
Factoring in age and realistic goals (not going to be Mr. Olympia, but maybe Senior Mr. Local Area) ... what are some cycle candidates?

I'll offer these up to start:
(1) Sust 250 .... 125 mg p/w; replaces the current low dosage test.
(2) Deca ... 125 mg p/w; offers up some accelerated growth and some welcome plumping around those tired joints. (Hopefully, no "deca dick" with low dosage and the added test.
(3) Anavar ... 15 mg p/d; 5 mg with each main meal. Better choice than abol and dbol for this age. Less sides and no esto. Tbol could be alternative.
(4) Amiridex ... 0.5 mg three times a week.
(5) HGH ... at least 1 iu three times a week if not 5.

8 weeks on and then return back to base HRT program.

PCT up for discussion.

 

[hardrock]

Interesting. Can't wait to hear some thoughts on this.

As I am only 29 and relatively new to HRT(16 months) I woukld run higher dosages. Just my $.02.

 

[Maxgain]

Id just go with high test (sus) dose and hgh for joints

 

[phatrr]

So much depends on so much, just like any other cycling quesion, IMO.

Knowing how you respond to test and how you respond to deca is critical.

My doc tells me that deca will take 8 weeks from date of last shot to adequately clear your system for blood testing. So timing can be something to watch.

What about a "combo" approach of keeping Test Dosage higher than Deca?

So...maybe 200mg Test/wk, 100mg Deca/wk?

In the same interest of keeping T up, stop the Deca at week 5 or 6, so I'm thinking (out loud here, just theorizing):

Week 1-5: Deca 100mg/wk, Test-E/Cyp, 200mg/wk
Week 6-8: Test-E/Cyp 300mg/wk (increase to help with the deca crash)

I'd also skip the orals completely. Given that HRT is in place, I think (right now) that the need for a quick jumpstart is outweighed by the stress placed on Mr. Liver. I'm at that point in my life where I'd much rather let Mr. Liver enjoy a glass or two of wine each day...and before I get jumped, let me say that another recent study showed that 2 drinks per day resulted in a 25% reduction in strokes, for all men of all races...I like that number, a lot.

No experience with HGH, no comment.

If your 'nads are responsive/productive at all, I'd toss HCG into the equation, following a low dose EOD protocol. I'm a big believer in keeping the nads active through the cycle as a way to make PCT easier/more successful.

Great discussion topic, Lion. Now, tear my ideas apart and let me know where I'm wrong!

 

[Maxgain]

Actually methods will detect nandrolone for 18 months

 

[phatrr]

Actually methods will detect nandrolone for 18 months

Yes, but we're not talking about that in HRT bloodwork, which is the context of this conversation.

To rephrase: Deca will affect androgen levels for about 8 weeks past last shot, which is what HRT blood tests examine.

 

[Lifterforlife]

I agree with phatrr in most all aspects. I would suggest bumping up the test to say 500mg. per week, after the first week add in deca(maybe just enough to ease joints), which would be anywhere from 100-200 mg. For pure bulking, bump the deca up to 400 mg.

I agree again with phatrr and the orals, other than maybe var. And I would follow suit on the tail end, stop whatever deca you are doing a week at least before you drop your test back down, and then taper your test back to HRT levels rather than drop it all at once.

In my opinion, this would virtually eliminate the need for PCT. I also would do adex 3 times per week as mentioned, along with HCG.

 

[thelion2005]

Good discussion.

I'd still do an oral into phatrr's mix. I do love dbol even though anavar is "safer".

Eq or Deca for this guy?

 

[phatrr]

Never done EQ. I do loves my deca.

How do you do with deca sides? I think that would be the big question.

 

[hardrock]

Never done EQ. I do loves my deca.

How do you do with deca sides? I think that would be the big question.

I don't really get any side from Deca as long as there's plenty of test. Love the stuff! I have ran as high as 600/wk. I do however get bad anxiety from Eq.

I'd also run the dbol. Var is too damn spendy.