Critique My "No More Fat Ass Plan"

[Fish]

Two tablespoon's of Hershey syrup is not going to make one fat or going to give any worse results than if was never added in the first place.

In order for fat loss to happen, one needs to eat below their maint. level. Get in your protein to spare most of your muscles and essential fatty acids and you are squared away.

I just don't see how two tablespoon's of Hershey syrup is going to break one's diet. Now if there is a substitute that tastes just as good (or that will satisfy the dieter) and is nutritionally better, than I am all for it. But to remove it for all the fear that it can harm one's progress is just not sane.

If the person had blood sugar problems, then yes, remove it. But we are assuming a normal, relatively healthy dieter without much health problems who simply wants to lose bodyfat.

In fact, if not eating the Hershey's syrup will cause the dieter to crave that stuff even more, only to break their diet by binging on a shit load of chocolote for a long periods of time, then keep it in there. A hundred calories here and there is much better than pigging out for a long period of time.

And yes, having carbs after working out is much preferred but that's assuming you are taking a somewhat high glycemic index level of carbs. With weight training increasing insulin sensivity, your best bet is high gi carbs.

I am sorry but you are wrong. He is trying to do a "LOW CARB" diet. Herhey's is 25 grams of carbs and 20 are just sugar. He is not just on a diet. He is making his body use fat not carbs, or sugar. Ketones, fat, give energy when sugar, carbs, are not present. Fat is stored otherwise. This is more than a diet it is a science. This is very documented. Do a search on the whole internet, not just on here.


Best luck
Fish

 

[Golfer18--old]

Getting carbs from anything with name Hershey on it is out the window. Get some quality food.

 

[MrQuestion]

"I am sorry but you are wrong."

No need to apoligize, unless if I did something bad.

"He is trying to do a "LOW CARB" diet."

Low carb could mean anything within a given range. 'Usually' it's what is considered 100grams or less of carbs. Again, there is no exact number of what is considered to be low carb. Is it perhaps 60 grams of carbs or less? What happens if I eat 61 grams? Will I turn into Rosie O Donnel and have a heart attack? I can think of better ways to die by the way, like being drowned by the girls of Victoria Secret models. Well, that's only if my far reached dreams come true.

"Herhey's is 25 grams of carbs and 20 are just sugar."

Oh boy, 25 grams of carbs in a low carb diet, watch out folks!
If taking 100 grams of carbs or less classifies one having a low carb diet, then 25 grams is only a quarter of that.

And sugar? Pretty much all carbohydrates end up as glucose at the end. Some have to go through the liver, directly to muscle,e tc.

"He is not just on a diet. He is making his body use fat not carbs, or sugar. Ketones, fat, give energy when sugar, carbs, are not present. Fat is stored otherwise. This is more than a diet it is a science. This is very documented. Do a search on the whole internet, not just on here."

Here is the guy that pretty much wrote the law on low carb diets-ketogenic diets, Lyle McDonld.

"Point is, converted to ketones or not, the energy still has to be taken
care of one way or another. So there's no real advantage to said
conversion. Whether as FFA or ketones, the calories still have to be
burned off.

Bottom line: it still comes down to the caloric deficit and there's no
advantage to cnoverting ketones to FFA. whether they can't be converted
or not is irrelvaent, they still have to be burnt off one way or another"

Just common basic sense here. By the way, I hardly ever do searches here for anything other than reading diaries and perhaps learning a bit of chemistry from a mod. I do all my learning from the newsgroup at deja, reading a bit of physiology in the library, and using medline with other similar resources.
In summary: I will never use Elite Fitness as a tool to learn knowledge related to physiology-dieting from what someone said. It's not a bash on EF, it's just the cream of the crop is elsewhere, so that's where I go. What I do learn is from other's experiences at EF.


Fish, at one time, I was like you a few years ago. I would worry about every gram of carb entering my mouth. From my own experience, I lost fat just as well doing an ISO diet as a ketogenic diet, if not better seeing how it kept my sanity. So many people look at dieting from the physiological standpoint, which we should, but don't forget about the psychological aspects which is important as well.

One more thing I forgot to mention. You are wrong and I am right.

 

[Tombstonealley]

Actually Mr Question,
You are wrong. For many people 25g of carbohydrate (esp. fast absorbing carbohydrate) will cause a surge in insulin levels. This starts a chain reaction that we all know about. I agree that if you want descent results you can get away with it, but descent is for losers. Great results, from extraordinary effort, is for winners!

 

[beefybull]

Good luck on your quest to lose weight!

 

[MrQuestion]

Tombstonealley, you really need to crawl back into your grave there

Actually, Ill get back to you on this later in the day but I will lay it out on the table. Yes, 25 grams can cause a rise insulin and even a high one if it's a high GI carbs. Ah, but Ill explain this all tomorrow. Basically, it all comes down to calories and getting your protein requirements (and perhaps even EFA's) when it comes to trimming down bodyfat.

When you compare a high GI diet with a low GI diet assuming that calories can be controlled, with equal protein requirements fat loss in a time frame will be practically similar. (remember, im saying if calories controlled. High GI carbs with triggering insulin will promote hunger especially in the absence of 'excess' calories, but we are not talking about those factors, just assuming if calories are equaled to each other)

Oh, and you can gain fat without the presence of insulin too. Acylation stimulating protein. Ever heard of it? Check it out.

BY the way, considering insulin's half life to be short, what happens when that short insulin spike is over? What other hormones are raised? Does FFA increase out in the bloodstream with the blood glucose crash, assuming there is one? Is the so called 'chain reaction' you are speaking of?

As far as people wanting decent results vs. great results, I think that it is up to the people to decide what is best for them. Are the people who want to maintain 10% throughout the year losers? Maybe they would be winners if they got a lower bodyfat percentage?

I know how to get great results in terms of fat loss, the problem being is that my life would be nowhere as enjoyable. But this debate is for another thread, I want to focus on some basic physiology here. Im no guru, not even close, but I do understand some basic things.

Actually Mr Question,
You are wrong. For many people 25g of carbohydrate (esp. fast absorbing carbohydrate) will cause a surge in insulin levels. This starts a chain reaction that we all know about. I agree that if you want descent results you can get away with it, but descent is for losers. Great results, from extraordinary effort, is for winners!