Corvette Vs M6

[viciousness]

Best bang for the buck..

a used M6 goes for about the new price of a stripped corvette 6spd coupe, Id have some change to put a supercharger and exhaust on the vette

any cars guys on here?? what do you think would put out the most power/be best for cruising.

need some other opinions cause my wife thinks im nuts and all my buddies dont know shizaaaaaat..pimpin aint easy

 

[PhoenixS]

I love the M BMW, but unless you have good money or an extended warranty then don't even think about it. It's going to be expensive to maintain that car.

 

[viciousness]

I know i used to have an m3 and when i heard how much the new M rotors/brakes cost i almost shit!! What a classy car though the m6 i had going 80 in 2nd if my memory serves me right.. Its a hard pick but thats why i wanted some EF lovee

 

[cryptosporidium]

id go with the m6.

but for that kind of cash id check out the 2010 nissan gt-r.

 

[DannoMight]

mitsubishi evo. with just an intake, injectors, drop in cams and intercooler pipe upgrades you will be over 400whp (wheel horsepower) to all for. you can also drive in all seasons and rape either of those two cars. i should have went that route instead of my subaru but wanted the hatch of the 08+sti.

 

[gstacker]

I like the m6 both cars are nice tho

 

[PhoenixS]

I think you should buy a Yaris.

 

[Cory151]

400hp is definitely cheap and easy in an Evo, mine made 388 to the wheels with an FP Red and few little things and good tuning. If you wanna low buck BMW the 335i can make very respectable power with just a few upgrades.

 

[wilko_60]

M6, bmw has a much higher build quality (in my opinion),
but just like anything the History of the specific car in which you are looking at is going to be one of the most important things,
if it's had a hard life -from some jumped up wana be racer then reliability may become an issue.
over all though, The BMW would be the safer option imo.
and the better looking, handling, & a much more economical fuel consumption!!

 

[-SD-]

motorcycle is even more bang for the buck.

 

[miplank]

middle aged paunch, neutral color Malibu family sedan sporting hubcaps, and teh man want if give you a second look

just sayin'

you forgot about teh window tint

 

[PICK3]

I think you should buy a Yaris.

middle aged paunch, neutral color Malibu family sedan sporting hubcaps, and teh man want if give you a second look

just sayin'

 

[redshirt27se]

m6 > vette


how often are you actually going to floor it? probably very little. at least the m6 offers more luxury.

 

[viciousness]

m6 > vette


how often are you actually going to floor it? probably very little. at least the m6 offers more luxury.

i actually have to agree, the car wouldnt be my daily but if i ever felt like bringing it out on a day to day your right the m6 is more casual until you step on the pedal

 

[RottenWillow]

Best bang for the buck..

a used M6 goes for about the new price of a stripped corvette 6spd coupe, Id have some change to put a supercharger and exhaust on the vette

any cars guys on here?? what do you think would put out the most power/be best for cruising.

need some other opinions cause my wife thinks im nuts and all my buddies dont know shizaaaaaat..pimpin aint easy

I've still got an '08 Vette. Near stock, but has a CAI and mild tune. Brake horse is 460'ish.

Thing I like most about the Vette is it totally allows you to just poke around in it and not constantly remind you you're in a powerful sports car. You can change the suspension setting to soft, accelerate easy and the transmission executes gentle shifts, and it even gets about 22mph in 100% city driving, provided you go easy.

Thing I like least (about the car itself) is it's long wheelbase. I much prefer a short wheelbase sports car like the 370z. Worst part about the overall ownership experience though is the punitive insurance rates.

 

[RottenWillow]

m6 > vette


how often are you actually going to floor it? probably very little. at least the m6 offers more luxury.

The M6 is a fucking beast. Handles like it's on a rail and accelerates every bit as strong as a base model Vette up to the triple digits. Peak lateral g load capacity is higher on the Vette, but slalom time through cones or a chicane in the M6 smokes a Vette.

Regarding cory's post about the 335i, that's the car I traded for the Vette. It had the dealer installed Dinan power package and made an advertised 385bhp. Car was a rocket from zero to about 85.

 

[viciousness]

the vette is a monster, sadly i already have one but its the old lady's... which means no supercharger or doing anything to it she likes it convertible and bonestock but im not bitching, the car is a great cruiser to take out and relax or to go crazy in. the 370z is nice ive seen some around here with the new TT setups and wow those things take off with crazy torque #'s in the high 400's 500's

i probably should just drop this 40 50k on a cycle and call it a day lol

 

[viciousness]

I think im gonna do my original M6 plan the warranty will still be till 2013 with the CPO beamer but when i get it im going to post pics for you's guys

 

[RottenWillow]

the vette is a monster, sadly i already have one but its the old lady's... which means no supercharger or doing anything to it she like it convertible and bonestock but im not bitching, the car is a great cruiser to take out and relax or to go crazy in. the 370z is nice ive seen some around here with the new TT setups and wow those things take off with crazy torque #'s in the high 400's 500's

i probably should just drop this 40 50k on a cycle and call it a day lol

Right now I'm looking at either getting a classic old Z car or a new 370. Not sure how much you'd researched them, but it's dick cheap to make pretty substantial power upgrades to the 370's. A CAI and a Stillen cat back gets you to about 375bhp and you'd still have the full manufacturers warranty intact.

 

[twenty47]

mitsubishi evo. with just an intake, injectors, drop in cams and intercooler pipe upgrades you will be over 400whp (wheel horsepower) to all for. you can also drive in all seasons and rape either of those two cars. i should have went that route instead of my subaru but wanted the hatch of the 08+sti.

shit son my buddies evo broke 400 without cams. boost controller full exhaust and intercooler/pipes.


on the m6 thing. buddy of mine just got a 2006 m5 for 38k.. he had to do brakes and it killed his wallet. and any upgrades are SO expensive. only top german tuners make stuff for the new m cars.

alot of people say if u cant buy the car brand new dont buy it used. idk.

but id get a c6 z06 used before id ever buy a new base c6 vette. way more car.

 

[viciousness]

good point i was looking at 07 z06's with the ls7's in em and thats like 505hp for around 35-40k which is still 5 grand cheaper then the m6 used! the brakes alone on m6 and m5 i heard are around 1000+

I would look into 370z but im a v8 man and my shoulders are tooooooo bruisy for the 3 i remember 300zx's from the 90s tho, some of the best cars nissan ever put out. sounded like a fuckin t-rex from jurrasic park.

on the subject of 335i those things are no joke 400+ hp to the wheels with like 2 grand in tuning, they have major problems with the Highpressure fuelpumps and so does the 535i, only thing that scares me is being left stranded when they go into limp mode. i heard theyve been fixed as of 09 but i still dont fuck around with unrealiability, thats how texas chainsaw massacre movies are made

 

[twenty47]

yeah the 335i is a beast of a car it sucks they have been plagued with with problems. and i heard they could be fixed but now bmw has a new ecu in it that can detect any tuning done to it. bam no warranty. everyone is trying to find the older ones without this to tune.

 

[wootoom]

Viper

 

[ortiz34]

You'll look back on this thread two years from now and say "wtf was I thinking"

Buy something that is gonna appreciate like a classic or investments.
Hopefully you are loaded and it ain't no thing but a chicken wing.
However I look back all the time now that I have house, family, and bills, and I just laugh at how impulsive and naive I was when I was young, making money and having no responsibilities.

If you are young
save or invest it (sounds boring)

If your over 50 with bank in the bank
buy the M6

 

[the_alcatraz]

mitsubishi evo. with just an intake, injectors, drop in cams and intercooler pipe upgrades you will be over 400whp (wheel horsepower) to all for. you can also drive in all seasons and rape either of those two cars. i should have went that route instead of my subaru but wanted the hatch of the 08+sti.

sti, wrx and evo are useless on the road unless you like to race...you a racer?

 

[the_alcatraz]

M6 is too expensive IMO...stick with an M5...

 

[ortiz34]

sti, wrx and evo are useless on the road unless you like to race...you a racer?

wtf?

 

[viciousness]

wootoom - vipers are kinda booshy i'd rather a z06 hehe

alc - your right, there rice racers and i plan on relaxin and just ballin

ortiz- so not what i wanted to hear but you said it like it is..probably going to be a terrible investment they already depreciated 50% almost 60% and thats why im lookin to buy one CPO not new for 113k but fuck man ya had to lay the truth down here didnt ya!! you still chill in plat chat bra?

 

[ortiz34]

ortiz- so not what i wanted to hear but you said it like it is..probably going to be a terrible investment they already depreciated 50% almost 60% and thats why im lookin to buy one CPO not new for 113k but fuck man ya had to lay the truth down here didnt ya!! you still chill in plat chat bra?

I wasn't trying to convince you not to buy one bro lol. Just trying to give some advice that I wished I listened to (not that I would have)
I haven't gotten a ton of on line time lately bor, shit's been busy with work, summer stuff, and fishing alot. Once the summer dwindles down I'll be back to my old platchat whorin

 

[viciousness]

hahaha nah but you are kinda right even tho i dont have kids yet. you do freshwater or salt?? i went yesterday came back with nothing and broke a fuckin pole in half :\ im not on cycle and its the 2nd pole ive broke...WTF been stuck on trying to land largemouthbass all summer but got no access to my boys boats so im strictly fresh this season

 

[wootoom]

wootoom - vipers are kinda booshy i'd rather a z06 hehe

alc - your right, there rice racers and i plan on relaxin and just ballin

ortiz- so not what i wanted to hear but you said it like it is..probably going to be a terrible investment they already depreciated 50% almost 60% and thats why im lookin to buy one CPO not new for 113k but fuck man ya had to lay the truth down here didnt ya!! you still chill in plat chat bra?

Everyone has a Vette....dime a dozen...the look of a Viper is rough and its pure muscle...Viper is a very attractive car for the price....i own one and the handling is amazing!

 

[UA_Iron]

335i - piggy back chip, they can clear the error codes etc now, bam more hp.

I've driven the 335d....which is a fucken awesome car, torque curve is phenomenal. I raced a 135i on my sport bike, those things are quick as fuck too.

That turbo inline 6 is a screamer

 

[ortiz34]

hahaha nah but you are kinda right even tho i dont have kids yet. you do freshwater or salt?? i went yesterday came back with nothing and broke a fuckin pole in half :\ im not on cycle and its the 2nd pole ive broke...WTF been stuck on trying to land largemouthbass all summer but got no access to my boys boats so im strictly fresh this season

Freshwater
Bass baby

 

[Whiskey]

The M6 is a fucking beast. Handles like it's on a rail and accelerates every bit as strong as a base model Vette up to the triple digits. Peak lateral g load capacity is higher on the Vette, but slalom time through cones or a chicane in the M6 smokes a Vette.

Regarding cory's post about the 335i, that's the car I traded for the Vette. It had the dealer installed Dinan power package and made an advertised 385bhp. Car was a rocket from zero to about 85.

^^^^^^^^^^^I luff this woman

Whiseky

 

[RottenWillow]

335i - piggy back chip, they can clear the error codes etc now, bam more hp.

I've driven the 335d....which is a fucken awesome car, torque curve is phenomenal. I raced a 135i on my sport bike, those things are quick as fuck too.

That turbo inline 6 is a screamer

or...like I said and no one seemed to even read...you could get the dealer installed, BMW approved Dinan chip. Mine came brand new from the dealership with 385bhp.

 

[billfred]

You'll look back on this thread two years from now and say "wtf was I thinking"

Buy something that is gonna appreciate like a classic or investments.
Hopefully you are loaded and it ain't no thing but a chicken wing.
However I look back all the time now that I have house, family, and bills, and I just laugh at how impulsive and naive I was when I was young, making money and having no responsibilities.

If you are young
save or invest it (sounds boring)

If your over 50 with bank in the bank
buy the M6

Sweet - you are telling me I am close to buying an M6?

 

[twenty47]

rw have you seen any of the dinnan 335i's on a dyno. i havent but they kinda have a rap of being extremely overrated. and obviously expensive as hell.

 

[RottenWillow]

rw have you seen any of the dinnan 335i's on a dyno. i havent but they kinda have a rap of being extremely overrated. and obviously expensive as hell.

I never dino'ed mine, but yes I agree that the 385bhp advertised by Dinan to be "optimistic". Since I got the car brand new with the Dinan already installed I can't speak to the difference in power from bone stock though.

 

[UA_Iron]

or...like I said and no one seemed to even read...you could get the dealer installed, BMW approved Dinan chip. Mine came brand new from the dealership with 385bhp.

and pay 2k for it versus 500

 

[ceo]

ballin son...ballin.

 

[RottenWillow]

and pay 2k for it versus 500

You're looking at the total cost the wrong way.

Using your figures, the $1500 premium you pay for the dealer installed option fully preserves your warranty. When anything at all ever develops a fault in the powertrain (and that covers a LOT of shit) further down the road there's no cost to repair it, versus a small fortune to repair if it you voided your powertrain warranty by saving some money in the front end.

 

[binö]

motorcycle is even more bang for the buck.

650-str8 ballin





bag,
dutch

 

[billfred]

Here is a better comparison scenario:

M6 or 911?

 

[viciousness]

id rather go m6 or m5 then porsche, they havent changed since the hitler era... gt3 for 80grand on autotrader tho hmMmMmm

 

[twenty47]

nothing like 200 dollar oil changes on the bmw. 120 for filter and oil and 80 for labor.

 

[GDF]

911 Turbo..you can pick them up for $40-50k and easily get them up to 650hp. You don't see too many around and they can handle anything you throw at them. Maybe they haven't changed much since Hitler as you say...But...that is some serious time to develop the platform. Changing the oil is all the maintenace you need to do. Probably the strongest, most reliable car on the planet.

 

[twenty47]

for 50k im buying a barely used gtr

 

[RottenWillow]

for 50k im buying a barely used gtr

Dear God no. They suck.

 

[twenty47]

how does it suck? and please dont say because the trannys blow up if u use launch control.

 

[PICK3]

Dear God no. They suck.

Awards

• Top Gear Awards 2007 - Supercar of the Year 2007[89]
  
  [*]Automobile Magazine - 2009 Automobile of the Year[90]
  
  [*]Evo Magazine - Car of the Year 2008[91]
  
  [*]Edmunds.com - 2009 Edmunds' Inside Line Editors' Most Wanted Awards: Instant Classic[92]
  
  [*]Motor Trend - 2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year[93]
  
  [*]2008 Japan's Most Advanced Technology Award[94]
  
  [*]Popular Mechanics - Automotive Excellence Awards 2008 (Design)[95]
  
  [*]Popular Science - Auto Tech Grand Award Winner[96]
  
  [*]2009 International Car of the Year[97]
  
  [*]2009 World Performance Car[98]

 

[miplank]

Awards

• Top Gear Awards 2007 - Supercar of the Year 2007[89]
  
  [*]Automobile Magazine - 2009 Automobile of the Year[90]
  
  [*]Evo Magazine - Car of the Year 2008[91]
  
  [*]Edmunds.com - 2009 Edmunds' Inside Line Editors' Most Wanted Awards: Instant Classic[92]
  
  [*]Motor Trend - 2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year[93]
  
  [*]2008 Japan's Most Advanced Technology Award[94]
  
  [*]Popular Mechanics - Automotive Excellence Awards 2008 (Design)[95]
  
  [*]Popular Science - Auto Tech Grand Award Winner[96]
  
  [*]2009 International Car of the Year[97]
  
  [*]2009 World Performance Car[98]

those are awards for sucking and you know it

 

[RottenWillow]

Awards

• Top Gear Awards 2007 - Supercar of the Year 2007[89]
  
  [*]Automobile Magazine - 2009 Automobile of the Year[90]
  
  [*]Evo Magazine - Car of the Year 2008[91]
  
  [*]Edmunds.com - 2009 Edmunds' Inside Line Editors' Most Wanted Awards: Instant Classic[92]
  
  [*]Motor Trend - 2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year[93]
  
  [*]2008 Japan's Most Advanced Technology Award[94]
  
  [*]Popular Mechanics - Automotive Excellence Awards 2008 (Design)[95]
  
  [*]Popular Science - Auto Tech Grand Award Winner[96]
  
  [*]2009 International Car of the Year[97]
  
  [*]2009 World Performance Car[98]

Any awards for best long term test drive?

 

[RottenWillow]

how does it suck? and please dont say because the trannys blow up if u use launch control.

My brother bought one new and owned it seven months. Unless you have some romantic notion of the car being intrinsically awesome due to the Skyline GT-R legend and/or the video games, you'll find you're disillusioned with the reality of the car. And yes the transmission did have issues, but his didn't "blow up". It did however start making weird clunking noises sometimes and began shifting a little wonky (shifting too hard, not shifting when it should, shifting when it shouldn't). He never used the launch control. He took a bath on the car. Paid the ridiculous dealer premium and couldn't get nearly as much for it used as he'd hoped.

The other issues I had with the car were subjective so I won't get into them.

 

[billfred]

My brother bought one new and owned it seven months. Unless you have some romantic notion of the car being intrinsically awesome due to the Skyline GT-R legend and/or the video games, you'll find you're disillusioned with the reality of the car. And yes the transmission did have issues, but his didn't "blow up". It did however start making weird clunking noises sometimes and began shifting a little wonky (shifting too hard, not shifting when it should, shifting when it shouldn't). He never used the launch control. He took a bath on the car. Paid the ridiculous dealer premium and couldn't get nearly as much for it used as he'd hoped.

The other issues I had with the car were subjective so I won't get into them.

Did he end up trading it in for a 911 or Raptor?

 

[pogo]

the vette is a monster, sadly i already have one but its the old lady's... which means no supercharger or doing anything to it she likes it convertible and bonestock but im not bitching, the car is a great cruiser to take out and relax or to go crazy in. the 370z is nice ive seen some around here with the new TT setups and wow those things take off with crazy torque #'s in the high 400's 500's

i probably should just drop this 40 50k on a cycle and call it a day lol

if you already have a vette then why ask if you should get another one/ ? and if you must get another one that isnt a daily driver then get a 1969 427/435 tri power convertible triple black . if a daily driver is what you're looking for then get a c63 amg.

 

[twenty47]

My brother bought one new and owned it seven months. Unless you have some romantic notion of the car being intrinsically awesome due to the Skyline GT-R legend and/or the video games, you'll find you're disillusioned with the reality of the car. And yes the transmission did have issues, but his didn't "blow up". It did however start making weird clunking noises sometimes and began shifting a little wonky (shifting too hard, not shifting when it should, shifting when it shouldn't). He never used the launch control. He took a bath on the car. Paid the ridiculous dealer premium and couldn't get nearly as much for it used as he'd hoped.

The other issues I had with the car were subjective so I won't get into them.

i have 3 friends with them and none of reported problems like you say. one has had 2. neither had problems.

maybe he got a dud?

they are way more car then a z06. offers twice as much. and from my personal experience driving them not video games its a way better buy.

 

[PICK3]

Any awards for best long term test drive?

Why yes ... yes it has

• 2009 Nissan GT-R long term test recommendation winner - Car and Driver 2010

<a href="http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz154/sld31286/Brooklynne/Brooklynnewithlollipop.jpg">Car and Driver Long Term Winners</a>

 

[miplank]

lololol

 

[ortiz34]

Gt-R are nice, but my friend had the SAME issue with the tranny.
The car is too wide IMO

 

[DannoMight]

sti, wrx and evo are useless on the road unless you like to race...you a racer?

care to prove your poiont?

here is mine. i can hold 5 passengers, get groceries for my family, get about 25mpg, run high 11sec 1/4 mile and drive in all weather conditions via all wheel drive and variable differential controls which lets you pick how the power is distributed between the front and rear wheels. i also have alacantra and leather seats that feel noice, and a damn near bullet proof 6 speed trans

 

[kx250rider]

I was thinking about getting this one, but there's no leg room, and the gas mileage sucks eggs....

 

[RottenWillow]

Gt-R are nice, but my friend had the SAME issue with the tranny.
The car is too wide IMO

Knew there had to be other owners who'd observed that as well. My brother read some automotive review that noted some shifting issues, but didn't think anything of it until after he'd bought one and funky stuff started happening. Also he said he had communicated with other owners (on some sort of GT-R forum) that were also noticing similar transmissions issues.

As for subjective stuff like you just mentioned with the width, I thought the multitude of LED screens on the dash were ugly and not at all intuitive to use. Would've been way better to just have a traditional full set of analog gauges.

 

[PICK3]

No matter what quality/performance issues the GT-R has, it will still score you mad poon.

 

[layinback]

between an M6 and corvette. absolute no brainer, M6. better buy under warranty or have money for costly repairs. forget the G-TR. german is THE best.
i've owned 2 BMW, 6 porsche and 3 mercedes and i loved each and every one. haven't had a super fast car in 3 years and it's gettin bout time. i'm
either gonna get a SL65 or a SL600 and have mercedes in buckhead do all the aftermarket work.

 

[RottenWillow]

between an M6 and corvette. absolute no brainer, M6. better buy under warranty or have money for costly repairs. forget the G-TR. german is THE best.
i've owned 2 BMW, 6 porsche and 3 mercedes and i loved each and every one. haven't had a super fast car in 3 years and it's gettin bout time. i'm
either gonna get a SL65 or a SL600 and have mercedes in buckhead do all the aftermarket work.

My parents are big into German cars, except Porsche. For purely subjective reasons I've never been a fan of Mercedes though. They all seem so spartan and cold. Plus the seats are too damn hard.

 

[twenty47]

all german leather is hard. i like it though.

and you can say forget the gtr german is the best. for one. no german cars exist right now that is faster. and ones that are similar equipped are twice as much.. a gtr is more car then an m6 and the m6 is a 100k dollar car. those v10's are works of art but their 500hp rating is overrated they only break 400whp on the forgiving dynos. GTR has the advantage in every category if you ask me.

both the gtr and m6 are more expensive cars then the corvette and thats the bottom line though. finding one used doesnt change the fact that the cost of ownership is through the roof. 200 dollar oil changes. thousands of dollars on brakes that wear out fast as hell ect. anyone will work on a regular vette.

 

[layinback]

My parents are big into German cars, except Porsche. For purely subjective reasons I've never been a fan of Mercedes though. They all seem so spartan and cold. Plus the seats are too damn hard.

The mercedes thing is a reflection of my age

With a properly prepared SL65 or SL600 you have a legitimate 11 sec / 200 MPH
supercar with heated / cooled seats that'll massage your back as you blow
99.9% of all vehicles off the road...........in style and class, mind you.

10 yrs ago, i gutted my 911 turbo sent it off to ANDIAL and it outran super bikes.
Porsche is absolutely the best sports car in the world and the 911 in it's
multitude of iterations, is the most successful race car of all times.

All of those accolades the GTR is gettin'.............don't mean shit. When Toyota
introduced the TT supra in '93 all the car rags said "runs circles around the
porsche and ferrari at less than half the price." Well i drove one and it sucked.
Later i drove a 700 HP aftermarket supra and it sucked too.

 

[twenty47]

The mercedes thing is a reflection of my age

With a properly prepared SL65 or SL600 you have a legitimate 11 sec / 200 MPH
supercar with heated / cooled seats that'll massage your back as you blow
99.9% of all vehicles off the road...........in style and class, mind you.

10 yrs ago, i gutted my 911 turbo sent it off to ANDIAL and it outran super bikes.
Porsche is absolutely the best sports car in the world and the 911 in it's
multitude of iterations, is the most successful race car of all times.

All of those accolades the GTR is gettin'.............don't mean shit. When Toyota
introduced the TT supra in '93 all the car rags said "runs circles around the
porsche and ferrari at less than half the price." Well i drove one and it sucked.
Later i drove a 700 HP aftermarket supra and it sucked too.

this has got to be the most biased fanboy post i have ever seen.

an sl65 is not and cannot be a super car anyway its prepared. especially with the list of features you listed. its a super powerful loaded sports car nothing more. huge hp does make a car a super car.

no one will deny that the 911 and all of its heritage is the most impressive of any car. but you reasonin behind it is flawed. porsche themselves have admitted that they love being involved in racing and that part of the reason so many of their cars are running races. they get involved in so many different racing series its unreal. and always offer factory equipped races cars that are ready to go for any series. if X company doesnt compete in such series you wont see their cars racing its that simple. no one is gonna take a showroom car and try to turn it into a race with their own money and then try to be competitive.

If number of cars racing meant best showroom stock car then the rx8 would be in there too. in america right now the rx8 is the most widely used car for racing. just like before its because mazda is putting it out there.

we all know in stock form an rx8 is a peice of shit. doing well in racing =/= mean you should go buy the car.

with that said thats not the same for the 911. it is an amazing car in every aspect of a car. but like i said the GTR is beating its german counterparts for much less money. the gtr does infact cost much less then the 911 turbo it has been beating in every single test. and on the nurburgring with race car drivers. Are you saying they are lying?? Pretty much your whole post comes down to that. are you saying all these lap times are just blatant lies and the videos of them are doctored? Just because the supra didnt live up to the hype that has zero to do with the GTR. In your post it doesnt say u have driven a gtr so how can you even comment on it at all? My old boss daily drives a gtr, has two gt3 rs's (opposite color schemes lol) a heffner twin turbo ford gt, turbo charged ariel atom, and a brabus sl500 with like 800hp/1200 ftlbs or some shit. he will tell anyone the GTR is as capable as any other car. and drives nicer daily then any of them. he did say that the purist in side of him gets mad that the computers help so much. so if that isnt what you want then dont get it. but the 911 turbo has plenty of help too.

Any big money tuned car can be built to outrun superbikes. I have friends with civics that will pull 1000cc bikes on the highway. and Im hoping you meant liter bikes.

 

[layinback]

this has got to be the most biased fanboy post i have ever seen.

an sl65 is not and cannot be a super car anyway its prepared. especially with the list of features you listed. its a super powerful loaded sports car nothing more. huge hp does make a car a super car.

no one will deny that the 911 and all of its heritage is the most impressive of any car. but you reasonin behind it is flawed. porsche themselves have admitted that they love being involved in racing and that part of the reason so many of their cars are running races. they get involved in so many different racing series its unreal. and always offer factory equipped races cars that are ready to go for any series. if X company doesnt compete in such series you wont see their cars racing its that simple. no one is gonna take a showroom car and try to turn it into a race with their own money and then try to be competitive.

If number of cars racing meant best showroom stock car then the rx8 would be in there too. in america right now the rx8 is the most widely used car for racing. just like before its because mazda is putting it out there.

we all know in stock form an rx8 is a peice of shit. doing well in racing =/= mean you should go buy the car.

with that said thats not the same for the 911. it is an amazing car in every aspect of a car. but like i said the GTR is beating its german counterparts for much less money. the gtr does infact cost much less then the 911 turbo it has been beating in every single test. and on the nurburgring with race car drivers. Are you saying they are lying?? Pretty much your whole post comes down to that. are you saying all these lap times are just blatant lies and the videos of them are doctored? Just because the supra didnt live up to the hype that has zero to do with the GTR. In your post it doesnt say u have driven a gtr so how can you even comment on it at all? My old boss daily drives a gtr, has two gt3 rs's (opposite color schemes lol) a heffner twin turbo ford gt, turbo charged ariel atom, and a brabus sl500 with like 800hp/1200 ftlbs or some shit. he will tell anyone the GTR is as capable as any other car. and drives nicer daily then any of them. he did say that the purist in side of him gets mad that the computers help so much. so if that isnt what you want then dont get it. but the 911 turbo has plenty of help too.

Any big money tuned car can be built to outrun superbikes. I have friends with civics that will pull 1000cc bikes on the highway. and Im hoping you meant liter bikes.

i think we may be arguing chocolate and vanilla. i've owned some of the fastest cars in the world and i've driven anything worth driving at one time or another.

i don't know how many of these cars you've driven / owned, but my opinion
is that of a man who has experience with these cars. it's not out of a motor trend
magazine or 2nd hand editorials.

i'm a driver. i've attended several driving schools and understand the art and
science of the sport.

and no i haven't driven the GTR. good point! i might be pleasantly surprised.
historically the japanese have made near perfect cars, but they lack personality
and the idiosyncrasies that make you fall in love with a car.

porsche is still a privately held company that's beaten all the big money boys
and usually with 3.0 liters. lets see how the GTR holds up against porsche
on the circuit over the next 5 years. i promise you that the boys in
Stuttgart will have a solution for the GTR.

i can buy any production car in the world. the SL65 is one of the most
reliable versatile cars ever produced. i'm a little older now and if i want
a pure sports car i'll just buy a race car for the weekend track. and yes
the SL65 is a supercar. it's amazingly comftorable with out of this world
amenities and it's built like a tank. i'm 6'4 245 and my wife's 6' and it
accommodates us with room to spare.

all critiques should be framed in a subjective - objective light and i haven't
driven a GTR. my opinion is sorely lacking and extremely biased, but at the
end of the day the GTR is still a Nissan. the porsche is a legend and it is
the stuff dreams are made of. how many members does the nissan club
of america have again?

 

[viciousness]

layin back definitely do the sl65, my cousins have a sl55 amg and that thing although very heavy is a fuckin headturner! I love taking joy rides in that thing and just puttin like a good 50 miles on her with no destination.. congrats on whatever you get

about the GTR, there hot as hell and very exclusive but tranny issues = FAIL!

and used for 50 hehehe LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL i can find one used in like a 100 mile radius and im in a major city. noone is selling those shits used less than 60 from what i've seen there kept very very uncommon to keep price from depreciation

 

[twenty47]

there was 6 forsale in chicago last time i checked. friend of mine has had 2. both he bought used.

but yes they arent that easy to find.

 

[layinback]

layin back definitely do the sl65, my cousins have a sl55 amg and that thing although very heavy is a fuckin headturner! I love taking joy rides in that thing and just puttin like a good 50 miles on her with no destination.. congrats on whatever you get

about the GTR, there hot as hell and very exclusive but tranny issues = FAIL!

and used for 50 hehehe LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL i can find one used in like a 100 mile radius and im in a major city. noone is selling those shits used less than 60 from what i've seen there kept very very uncommon to keep price from depreciation

yep, i have a SL550 it's 380 hp and it weighs around 4500 lb's! it handles like
a dream and it has decent acceleration. when the top is up, there's absolutely
no indication that it's a roadster. no squeeky, loose feel like almost all other
convertible \ roadster. i recently test drove a SL65 and a chipped SL600.
both had brutal acceleration that was seamless and linear, but boppin around
at sane speeds the cars were just like my 550. it's really the perfect car with
the best of luxury and performance. and yes, all of the SL are beautiful cars.
,

 

[twenty47]

different strokes for different folks but its always nice being able to talk cars and the person on the other end knows whats going on.

 

[layinback]

different strokes for different folks but its always nice being able to talk cars and the person on the other end knows whats going on.

agreed. my business partner-best friend is a mopar guy. he has a '70 satellite
with 635 HP , super B and on and on......he just bought an '86 diplomat lol
it's a one owner with 20k miles and looks showroom new. dood, it is
absolutely hideous. he loves it! his daily driver is a merc S63.

you are definitley a car guy lol. we can be passionate about our views!
i'm no where as obsessed as i used to be. i try to keep up with the
new stuff. the tuners / aftermarket guys are doing some crazy shit
and the cars in general are much much quicker and more reliable
than ever dreamed of even 15 yrs ago.

bro, i had a '89 944 turbo. it was a 2.5 4 cylinder punched out to 2.7 big am turbo, am fuel set up, crank fire, cold induc, borla headers pipes, etc...
it dyno'd @ 422 hp and i don't remember torque but it looked like a V8
torque curve! the car weighed around 2900 lb's. when stock, the car was
considered one of best handling in world, when i finished suspension
upgrades it was fuckin stupid!!!

it wasn't a drag car. ( really no porsche is suited for drag) but it ran the 1/4
in the 12.2 range. it was much better 30 - 130. i was out running contemporary
ZR 1's and it smoked my 2nd generation viper. nowadays it would be considered
a slug and i'd be gettin my ass handed to me by guys in civics lol. i wont even
get into how much i spent.....it's too embarrassing.

 

[twenty47]

yeah man the older porsche stuff is what really gets me. i support the gtr but its not what im into. im into raw cars that get the job done and it takes everything you have to get it around the track. and there nothing between you and the road. I got straight raped by an old school turbo not that long ago. it had what seemed like a factory roll cage and recaro seats. it had side exhaust and this thing back fired so loud on shifts it almost killed me lol. was the coolest thing ever. dude had to have been 60. we raced like 5 times on the highway. and the we did a dig coming out of a toll both lmao. he would always walk me at 80.

The whole "dont wanna say how much i spent" thing applies to my weekend warrior.

96 civic hatch (factory midori green, only offered in 96 hatch only. u dont see too many) its kind of a gem int he honda world.
gutted out
i swapped in the power steering rack and looped it for the better ratio ( very hard to turn people always laugh at me)
10k f 12k R coil overs with electronic dampning control. so stiff it makes the windows creek

sway bars chassis bars ect. (titanium shit cost more then most peopls civic builds right there lol)
ride on r compounds some part of the year. then usually some aggressive tire that usually last me about 7-8k miles because of the toe and camber

its a 2002 jdm spec 2.0 k20a integra type r (rsx-s american) motor. 11.5 compression. 540 lift cams and 308 duration. 440cc injectors, custom 1 off 4-2-1 header into a 3 inch straight pipe all the way to bumper. with those cams and that compression it doesnt sound like any other ricers out there lol.

carbon buckets and crow harnesses fia approved. (again i spent more on those then most peoples civics cost entirely)

dynoed at 263whp and 175wtq revving to 8800 rpms daily and 9200 on the track and it weighs a wopping 2180lbs.

carbon syncro 6 speed trans with a carbon LSD. 4.76 final drive. (im at almost 5k at 80 mph at 80)

just by looking at it most people will dismiss it but i love seeing guys faces when i destroy them around the track in their 911's, gtr or z06's. last time at the track i had a guy in a new viper acr get flagged to let me pass in the advanced group and he asked me if i had like 500hp after lol and commented on how i could get the car to rotate so much trail braking in the tight sections.

basically its the fastest thing i can afford at this point in my life (im 21) and the next step will be building an old school porsche, or if c6 z06's come down nicely like all american stuff does i can see myself in one of those slammed on suspension.

and on the drag strip its done 11.97 @ 113 on slicks

heres some pics (dont wanna whore up this thread too bad)

at HIN ( all the guys from our shop took our race cars there and won nothing lmao)

and for some more honda love heres my buddies 310whp NA 10 second crx. this car was media blasted and built brand new not ONE bolt was resused lol.

 

[layinback]

very nice young man! i have a 20 year old and i wouldn't sleep at night if he had something like that!!! i'm 46 and under the right circumstance i'll engage in a street race....in traffic. bout 4 years back i crushed a blown 5.0. mustang in my wifes bone stock lexus ES 300.
i simply out drove him lol.

there's some interesting stuff you can do with porsche and chevy engine conversions. i had a '74 914 with a 360 hp 350. it had corvette radiator / fans 911 brakes tube framed etc... i bought it out of the south fla. auto trader. i paid 7 g's and put another 5 g's in it.
it weghed around 2000 lb's and it'd go sideways at 90 shiftin into 4th!!! it was tube framed koni coil overs etc so it handled like a fuckin formula car but it was old and scary as hell. i knew if i ever crashed it i would be dead or maimed lol!
i had a buddy with a 928 with a blown 383 stroker dynoed at 500 + hp and i think 590 fpt it was insane. the 928 cost him 6 g's and suspenion tranny and engine under 20k. it would smoke 200k ferrari lambos etc.... might be something for you to look into.



if i purchase the SL65 i'll get the factory optioned radar jammer. i think the black edition comes standard with it, but that godam thing cost 300k!!! it's only a lil faster and it's a bit too much of an attention whore.

 

[twenty47]

very nice young man! i have a 20 year old and i wouldn't sleep at night if he had something like that!!! i'm 46 and under the right circumstance i'll engage in a street race....in traffic. bout 4 years back i crushed a blown 5.0. mustang in my wifes bone stock lexus ES 300.
i simply out drove him lol.

there's some interesting stuff you can do with porsche and chevy engine conversions. i had a '74 914 with a 360 hp 350. it had corvette radiator / fans 911 brakes tube framed etc... i bought it out of the south fla. auto trader. i paid 7 g's and put another 5 g's in it.
it weghed around 2000 lb's and it'd go sideways at 90 shiftin into 4th!!! it was tube framed koni coil overs etc so it handled like a fuckin formula car but it was old and scary as hell. i knew if i ever crashed it i would be dead or maimed lol!
i had a buddy with a 928 with a blown 383 stroker dynoed at 500 + hp and i think 590 fpt it was insane. the 928 cost him 6 g's and suspenion tranny and engine under 20k. it would smoke 200k ferrari lambos etc.... might be something for you to look into.



if i purchase the SL65 i'll get the factory optioned radar jammer. i think the black edition comes standard with it, but that godam thing cost 300k!!! it's only a lil faster and it's a bit too much of an attention whore.

im addicted to the 911. if i ditch the civic i want something with more baller status. the 944 to me is kinda the same thing i have now. its an underdog bc most people think its just a poor mans porsche even though its as capable as anything and on a budget at that.. thats why i want something like a z06 with suspension and wheels or a trick old school 911 turbo and just put straight pipes on it with some nice snails. its gotta be a step up


something like this!

caged, buckets and some wheels.

this is like the same car i ran into on the highway. im just worried if i get into something so old it might be a money pit from broken things and not go fast parts. my civic is so reliable its sick.

 

[layinback]

im addicted to the 911. if i ditch the civic i want something with more baller status. the 944 to me is kinda the same thing i have now. its an underdog bc most people think its just a poor mans porsche even though its as capable as anything and on a budget at that.. thats why i want something like a z06 with suspension and wheels or a trick old school 911 turbo and just put straight pipes on it with some nice snails. its gotta be a step up


something like this!

caged, buckets and some wheels.

this is like the same car i ran into on the highway. im just worried if i get into something so old it might be a money pit from broken things and not go fast parts. my civic is so reliable its sick.

make sure and get an 89 or later turbo. (first year with 5 speed)
and CHECK FOR OIL LEAKS AND SMOKE EXHAUST.

the '94 turbo was my favorite. 3.6 liter rearwheel drive. it was THE
best air cooled rear wheel porsche built, besides the 959 of course.

theres a motronic conversion for the older porsches and you can
easily get 600+ hp with 1.2 bar of boost. since the engine sets
over the rear wheels they always hookup lol!

just opening up the ports and a bigger intercooler / k27 turbo
and free flo exhaust and headers turns the 930's into monsters.
don't expect a fast 0-60 time but 30 to 160 is like the space shuttle