Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Will ya'll please tell my dumbass friend how pointless it is to drink, do coke, and smoke while on Gear. Any articles you have that I can show him would be nice to. He thinks he can do it every now and then, but the problem is his "Every now and thens" get shorter and shorter.
COKE and TEST
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FIGHTS said:
He actually needs a reason NOT to do this??
CEO
Your friend should get his prioritys straight. Does he want to train or does he want to party? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
solidspine
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http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/koert/testosterone-and-cocaine.htm
Article from above source.
Using Testosterone and Cocaine Together Cause Strokes
by Willem Koert, M.Sc.
http://www.ergogenics.org/
Many famous people believed to have "died" from steroids were also using recreational drugs, especially cocaine. An Italian experiment with blood platelets explains why the combination of steroids and cocaine can cause lethal strokes. "Coke" reinforces the dangerous qualities of testosterone and counteracts good ones.
The researchers performed two series of tests. First, they extracted blood platelets from the blood of healthy male subjects who were not using drugs or medicines. Then they exposed the platelets to moderately high concentrations of testosterone and cocaine. For purposes of this study, ‘moderately high’ means higher than you might find in the average male, but of the same magnitude physicians have found in anabolic-androgenic steroid users. The Italian researchers used testosterone in concentrations of 750 and 1500 nanomol. Physicians have found concentrations between 100 and 200 nanomol in heavy users.
Steroids can enhance platelet aggregation and cause blood clots, and coke has the same effects. But what happens when the two are combined? The figures below tell.
TXB2 is a stable and inactive metabolite of thromboxane A2 (TXA2). It is produced by blood platelets and causes vasoconstriction and platelet aggregation.
The figure below shows that the increased production of TXA2 actually resulted in more aggregation. LTb stands for the transparency of the samples. As a result of the aggregation the samples became more clear.
Both figures tell the same story. In contrast with predicted expectations, testosterone does not make your blood clot, and neither does coke. However, according to the Italian in vitro studies the chance of a stroke occurring starts to rise when the two drugs are combined.
The researchers don’t know how this works. All they know is that androgen receptors are not involved. Adding flutamide (a drug which blocks the androgen receptors) to the mixture had no effect.
Testosterone also has some direct beneficial effects on the arteries. The hormone causes vasorelaxation, which lowers blood pressure, increases blood flow and diminishes the chance of strokes. The Italian researchers discovered vasoconstruction doesn’t occur in the presence of cocaine when they exposed pieces of rabbit blood vessels to the testosterone-cocaine mixture. Once again though, the Italians are not sure how this works. Adding the anti-androgen flutamide had no effect.
In vitro is not in vivo. Nevertheless, the message is clear. The chances of a stroke as the result of testosterone administration alone are not very high, but the same cannot be said for cocaine and testosterone combined.
Source
Giuseppina Togna, Anna Rita Togna, Manuela Graziani, Matteo Franconi. Testosterone and cocaine: vascular toxicity of their concomitant abuse. Thrombosis Research, Volume 109, Issue 4 , 15 February 2003, Pages 195-201. [PubMed]
Article from above source.
Using Testosterone and Cocaine Together Cause Strokes
by Willem Koert, M.Sc.
http://www.ergogenics.org/
Many famous people believed to have "died" from steroids were also using recreational drugs, especially cocaine. An Italian experiment with blood platelets explains why the combination of steroids and cocaine can cause lethal strokes. "Coke" reinforces the dangerous qualities of testosterone and counteracts good ones.
The researchers performed two series of tests. First, they extracted blood platelets from the blood of healthy male subjects who were not using drugs or medicines. Then they exposed the platelets to moderately high concentrations of testosterone and cocaine. For purposes of this study, ‘moderately high’ means higher than you might find in the average male, but of the same magnitude physicians have found in anabolic-androgenic steroid users. The Italian researchers used testosterone in concentrations of 750 and 1500 nanomol. Physicians have found concentrations between 100 and 200 nanomol in heavy users.
Steroids can enhance platelet aggregation and cause blood clots, and coke has the same effects. But what happens when the two are combined? The figures below tell.
TXB2 is a stable and inactive metabolite of thromboxane A2 (TXA2). It is produced by blood platelets and causes vasoconstriction and platelet aggregation.
The figure below shows that the increased production of TXA2 actually resulted in more aggregation. LTb stands for the transparency of the samples. As a result of the aggregation the samples became more clear.
Both figures tell the same story. In contrast with predicted expectations, testosterone does not make your blood clot, and neither does coke. However, according to the Italian in vitro studies the chance of a stroke occurring starts to rise when the two drugs are combined.
The researchers don’t know how this works. All they know is that androgen receptors are not involved. Adding flutamide (a drug which blocks the androgen receptors) to the mixture had no effect.
Testosterone also has some direct beneficial effects on the arteries. The hormone causes vasorelaxation, which lowers blood pressure, increases blood flow and diminishes the chance of strokes. The Italian researchers discovered vasoconstruction doesn’t occur in the presence of cocaine when they exposed pieces of rabbit blood vessels to the testosterone-cocaine mixture. Once again though, the Italians are not sure how this works. Adding the anti-androgen flutamide had no effect.
In vitro is not in vivo. Nevertheless, the message is clear. The chances of a stroke as the result of testosterone administration alone are not very high, but the same cannot be said for cocaine and testosterone combined.
Source
Giuseppina Togna, Anna Rita Togna, Manuela Graziani, Matteo Franconi. Testosterone and cocaine: vascular toxicity of their concomitant abuse. Thrombosis Research, Volume 109, Issue 4 , 15 February 2003, Pages 195-201. [PubMed]
supertech69
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Tell him it's an excellent stack & he should throw in some home brew meth to add an even better kick to it. He's wasting good oxygen with every breath his dumb ass takes!
justinjones1963
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coke mixes well with hot blondes who are STD free and like 3-sums...aside from that he needs to quit.
I told him he's a fucking idiot. I'm so pissed at him right now. Its the 3rd times he's drank on his cycle and he's 3 weeks into it, and its the 1st time he did Coke. He's been smoking steady but went from a pack to 2-3 cigs a day. Now his ass has been up all night and takin the night off we are supposed to work out cuz he got fucked up. He was like " man I'm not doing that anymore..I'm breathing funny, and my heart is beating all fast" I was like "No fuck, you fucking idiot" Anyway...He say's he wont' do it again, but I think hearing some horror stories from ya'll or how much it lowers the amount of gains you can make will smack the last nail in. Thanks guys
justinjones1963
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FIGHTS said:
He definitely needs to quit. Refuse to lift with him etc. and cut him off if he doesn't quit. If you got other friends that know plan an intervention. A guy I graduated from high school OD'd a while back from heroin. Narcotics are no joke.
BigCracker
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I don't like coke. I just like the way it smells.
I better cut back to an 8 ball a night then.
Boston George did 10 grams in 10 mins once-but he was natty. Boy George does coke too huh?
I better cut back to an 8 ball a night then.
Boston George did 10 grams in 10 mins once-but he was natty. Boy George does coke too huh?
DannoMight
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I had a buddy who decided to do a cycle and was a regular blow user. He j ust ended up having seizures/strokes a few months down the road. Nothin major.
CO B-man
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alcohol is not that smart either really. it slows/retards and/or stops the synthesis of protien dependant on the individual for a few days. In other words you are wasting your time with gear and wasting gear for that matter since the reason you
inject it for is not going to happen a couple days after you drink. High bp and coke = deadly combination but hey, the world needs people to make an example of. Its only a matter of time that stuff will catch up to him.
inject it for is not going to happen a couple days after you drink. High bp and coke = deadly combination but hey, the world needs people to make an example of. Its only a matter of time that stuff will catch up to him.
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ninesecz
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yeh its always good to do something like coke that raises heart rate and then throw some steroids in the mix just for the extra kick to make sure he fuks himself up tell him i said good going with the white line 80 proof cycle HEY!!! why doesnt he just dd a little water to liqquify the coke and inject with the as?? seems like that would work good for him. my x girlfriends dad used to shoot coke like that.............before they dug a hole and buried him at 49 years old!!
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ninesecz
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yeh its always good to do something like coke that raises heart rate and then throw some steroids in the mix just for the extra kick to make sure he fuks himself up tell him i said good going with the white line 80 proof cycle HEY!!! why doesnt he just dd a little water to liqquify the coke and inject with the as?? seems like that would work good for him. my x girlfriends dad used to shoot coke like that.............before they dug a hole and buried him at 49 years old!!
macrophage69alpha
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glennds said:
agree
however it is important to note that there are rec drugs that are less safe when combined with anabolic steroids as well as rec drugs that may inhibit gains.
BigCracker
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macrophage69alpha said:
The same can be said about the legal Rx drugs that are advertised on the 6 o clock news. Yet somehow it's socially acceptable to use Prozac to get you through your day, or pop a viagra to make your weiner hard, but if you smoke weed or toot a line of blow now and then you're a loser-druggy.
That's OK-let the sheeple be sheeple. That's exactly what are govt wants-a bunch of zombies hooked on their drugs that blindly follow whatever they say.
Question your leaders. Blind acceptance can be hazardous!
gettnlarge01
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Strongman Johnny Perry od on coke and I think he was only 30!!
jerichohill
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BigCracker said:
Someone on DBB put it in great terms. You have never heard someone say "Man Im glad I did that entire 8 ball lastnight"
I have to totally agree with that statement.
bighippie11
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why would this dude do that. ridiculous sides aside, how do you gain weight/muscle on that shit. is the weight loss not a given in his mind? and to bigcrackers comment...it's proven what coke and gear will do to you which does make it different that prozac or viagra.
digimon7068
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. . .children, drugs are bad, m'kay??
solidspine
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10 grams in 10 minutes would kill boy George and everyone else in the house he did his coke.
I did a gram in a short period of time and was in the ER shaking like a leaf, for the 24 hours.
pitbullrocco
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justinjones1963 said:
in the above situation, i'm sure nobody can fault him.
other than that, yeah, dumb. unless you want to be peaking our your blinds all fkn night long and all the damn squinting to make out the shadow's in the yard.....
macrophage69alpha
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drugs are not evil.
methamphetamine and cocaine(or coca leaves) taken orally in moderate doses can have benefits for many people.
making methamphetamine into an injectable has caused many problems, as this form of the drug is highly addictive. "crystal meth" addiction is a very prevalent and very unfortunate problem, but its not the drug but its improper use that is the problem.
methamphetamine and cocaine(or coca leaves) taken orally in moderate doses can have benefits for many people.
making methamphetamine into an injectable has caused many problems, as this form of the drug is highly addictive. "crystal meth" addiction is a very prevalent and very unfortunate problem, but its not the drug but its improper use that is the problem.
macrophage69alpha
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now for people with addictive personalities or addiction prone biochemistry the use of any number of compounds can have what are commonly deemed as "evil" effects. Though again its not the drug, but the users proclivities and usage that are the issue.
are peanuts evil? they can kill some people, just being exposed to peanut dust can be fatal.
is marijuana evil? 1 in 10,000 users can experience mild to severe psychotic effects.
is alcohol evil? moderate use has health benefits, but alcoholism is a terrible disease.
are peanuts evil? they can kill some people, just being exposed to peanut dust can be fatal.
is marijuana evil? 1 in 10,000 users can experience mild to severe psychotic effects.
is alcohol evil? moderate use has health benefits, but alcoholism is a terrible disease.
macrophage69alpha
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to the individual, the experience of addiction is what many might deem as "evil". However, that does not make the drug itself "evil".
addiction can be quite terrible, hopeless and seeming without end. However that is the addiction, not the drug.
to you, locking your door is a normal and beneficial action, to a person with OCD it can be a terrible and onerous task that is demanded of them over and over again. To a point where it consumes them, is the action of locking the door...evil?
just some thoughts.
as a note- glad that you "kicked the habit"
addiction can be quite terrible, hopeless and seeming without end. However that is the addiction, not the drug.
to you, locking your door is a normal and beneficial action, to a person with OCD it can be a terrible and onerous task that is demanded of them over and over again. To a point where it consumes them, is the action of locking the door...evil?
just some thoughts.
as a note- glad that you "kicked the habit"
solidspine
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So very, very true,
Gear and booze, not only dangerous but a waste of time and money.
Fina and booze and I think you are dangerous.
jerichohill
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Cocaine is the drug everyone loves to hate. I always hear my bros say "Man I hate that shit". But when someone shows up at a party with a 8 ball, its like " Hey man can I get a bump" Just one bump...How bout 1 more? etc...etc...etc. Before you know it the suns coming up, and you feel like complete shit for days.
Yep, I hate that shit!
Yep, I hate that shit!
enacer420nj
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Coke and gear is fine, just make sure its DIET you wanna keep your sugars to a minimal to avoid glucose levels to spike....jk.... I know a few people that did coke and high amounts of gear...seems like high estrogen +coke = depression and they bothed blew their heads off....
krishna
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OMEGA said:
I pride myself on killing unhealthy addictions. I don't buy that once an addict always an addict bs that they try to teach you in rehab. You just have to change yourself and your priorities. Teach yourself to hate the drug and the addiction. I don't smoke or anything anymore. I can even have a few drinks without binging (although I never was much of a drinker). I taught myself to hate alcohol too (which turns out to be good and bad because I can barely go have a drink or two with friends). What the mind deems, the body follows. My body can't stand alcohol anymore. I get the worst hangovers imagineable. It's not even fun; I start getting a hangover while I'm still drinking. I believe there are absolute ways to destroy addictions, and I have done it. Coke is definitely one of the worst.
glennds
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krishna said:
there is a new train of though about addiction, such as alcoholism, that it is NOT a "disease." be nice if you could stop drinking, or drugging, and be cured of a virulent form of cancer wouldnt it?
it is safe and comforting to blame our own lack of control on something out of our hands, saying we have an addictive personality (what they hell does that mean anyhow) or we have a "disease" that means we cant stop drinking or doing lines.
we spoiled americans can rationalize away all our bad behavoirs, saying they are something out of our control. there is NO such thing as a "midlife crisis" or "sex addiction." just excuses to act out.
drinking and rec drugs can be a lot of fun, but if you have a life with a job and mortgage and relationships and responsiblities, you gotta practice restraint or youll lose it or never have it. gotta grow up and be a man.
solidspine
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Exactly and very easy to say,
Anyway, today, November 1, I have been sober 16 days,
Thank you, feeling better.
drrman
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OMEGA said:
Yes, I think it made me a much stronger person mentally for sure. I had a ver bad motorcycle accident about 2 years after college and was laid up from 2 surgeries, this is when i got bad on the G. I couldn't train, couldn't do shit so i just laid around and tried catching a good buzz...........well that turned into me chasing a constant buzz that turned into an addiction. I finally work up one morning and looked at myself in the mirror, looked at my life, my financial situation and how i had alienated all my friends and family and literally walked to the sink and poured about 1k worth of the shit down the sink.
I've since turned my life around and doing better than I ever have!, its been about 2 years or so since my last cap of the liquid devil!
drrman said:
wow man thanks for sharing.
It means alot to share these things with people cus its proof that there is always hope.
being alone in the dark ( on all levels) after you burned your bridges both practically and spiritually( if you belive in Spiritual stuff) and still making it and becoming stronger shows that Grace and Determination can go hand and hand.
And now that you went through that you will be the one that will be able to reach out to someone and catch them before they fall.
And am always reminded about a Religious story about a man who was a criminal his whole life. He was walking in the desert after he decided not to rob or hurt people any more, and along the journey he could not make it to the other point. Becuase he stopped his old ways he had no rations to sustain him. He came upon a group of women where he had just enough strength to steal from them or harm them, just before he was going to do it, he said NO no more, if I have to die, I die........ in this moment he took ONE STEP towards God, and God RAN to him.........
He awoke on the other side alive and began his new life
It is Said if you crawl to God he will walk to you, if you walk to God he will Run to you, if you choose to Love God he will give you Everything.
sorry the story might not be relavent exactly but its a good one, in that its never too late to change.
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starskulker
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I came back from an 8 ball a day habit about 8 years ago. I hit bottom when I got busted and spent the night in jail only to find my whole family (everyone) waiting in the morning to pick me up. I pleaded guilty and was able to go to diversion but if I failed any drug tests or fucked up my probation I would have went to jail for minimum 5 years. I took full advantage of what was offered to me in diversion and NA meetings so I could get past this part of my life. I had wanted to quit for years but it took getting caught and the embarassement of my whole family getting me out of jail to finally get me to get my shit together. I havn't touched the stuff since.
klausflouride
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I did it once and spent the whole night thinking I was going to have a heart attack! From 1 line! I hate the shit anyway, but i know plenty who do it regularly while on.
JuicedAthletics
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Well, I hate to bump this thread but my training partner and I hit up a local bar on Friday night. He is prepping for a comp down here in Florida and he wont touch alcohol. I had a few drinks at the bar and I think he got a little annoyed.. He took a few bumps of blow. Felt great.. Those few bumps turned into about a gram by the end of the night.. Needless to say I havent seen him in the Gym Sat or Sunday.. As well, and even worse... I went over his place tonight to watch a game and he told me that he had lost 11 pounds in 48 hours.. Between losing his appetite, fucking up his metabolism, muscle breaking down and dehydration. This big, ripped dude who has a meticulous diet is now 201 when he started Friday morning off at 212. Great way to kill a comp. prep...
