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javaguru
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loll..about time you admit christianity is anti American...we fought a war of independence against a ruthless dictator..we just have to throw off one more.
Christians - what is your opinion about homosexuality?
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loll..about time you admit christianity is anti American...we fought a war of independence against a ruthless dictator..we just have to throw off one more.
SPEKTOR-AAA
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lulz...
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EarthRider
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There aren't many Christians who try to make such a silly arguement, and act like something isn't in the bible and it clearly is.
Also, there are a lot of Christians who do, and believe we all should eat Kosher.
mrplunkey
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Christianity is actually government-neutral, which contributed to it's early success in Rome and surrounding governments (after they stopped persecuting Christians, of course).
Judaism evolved as an anti-government effort, which is why it was perpetually beaten-up by other governments.
Islam started similarly to Judaism, with a struggle. But the catch there is that Mohammad actually won. So while they all started similarly (similar lore, similar timeframe, monotheistic), all three had distinctly different postures toward the government.
I was kidding around last night but it seems like God would prefer some sort of a military dictatorship, running the show himself as king lol
agree...God never wanted Israel to become a democracy
I'm gonna buy my own purse and groceries and use your body as I see fit.
A man in a relationship with me doesn't have to go a day without it, I'm too highly sexed for that. But I do it cause I want to not cause I feel I have to.
yeah but you do it WITH HIM because youre obligated by your moral commitment to him.
but for the passion/lust/surprise sex, if someone made your pussy drip drip drip enough youd go with it.
and by "you" i mean ALL WOMEN, except for you, and the women on EF
digimon7068
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two words...the crusades??
That's the OT bro. Does not apply at all to christians!!!!1
no one but you does. Except Annie. Or someone else. certainly not a non-believer.
I do love glennbut..
Nope. Sorry. The word of God supports a monarchy with a righteous person at the throne.
Try again.
is that the NT or the OT?
cuz, well...ya know if that's OT then it does not apply to xtians.
zomg!!!! But Paul said it didn't matter!!! I mean, xtians cling to that shit!! Fuck what Jesus actually did! They'll follow what Paul said (not what he did, as he didn't eat pork either) and eat that fuckin pig.
pick and choose, pick and choose.
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EarthRider
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he did bro, read my threads, lol
jk God
jk God
mrplunkey
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It does concern me that Afeedz was so vocal on this thread, considering Timothy 2:12 -- I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
If I'm going to the trouble of explaining all this to her, the least she can do is listen.
And yes, I'm kidding. If you immediately clicked "Quote" and were mad, then I win!!!!
If I'm going to the trouble of explaining all this to her, the least she can do is listen.
And yes, I'm kidding. If you immediately clicked "Quote" and were mad, then I win!!!!
PICK3
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I was being obnoxious with javaguru. That wasn't wasn't what I meant to anyone else. I know him. lol There are rules to understanding though. What is the context? Also, the bible wasn't written to all the same people. It's obvious. You can complain about that all day long but that is just the way it is. That's why you think you're being clever when you pull up a verse from Matthew and compare it to something Paul said or commpare it to the OT. You're comparing apples to pineapples and it appears that it is conflicting but it's not.
javaguru
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Without going into detail about how you are wrong historically ...all religions have played a role in governance of their respective societies...you need to send a memo to the RNC.
Just sayin...
We can disagree about abortion but exactly how does allowing two adults of the same sex to marry harm anyone? It's purely a judeo christian argument that opposes same sex marriage.
Southern slave owners used the curse of ham to justify slavery and the 3/5 rule was included in the constitution.
Claiming Christianity is governance neutral is being disingenuous.
I don't know anything anyway.
DJLegacy2k1
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Im white
mrplunkey
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Nice use of "played a role"... If that's the case, so did tobacco, shipbuilding, telecommunications and every other influence that "played a role".
Luke 20:25 -- He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
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EarthRider
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java, you bring up such great points that, I think I just don't care about
I will be praying for your ass in church today, lol
I will be praying for your ass in church today, lol
lol @ Genesis 2 just being an in depth version of Genesis 1. That's funny, because the order in which things were created in 2, is different than the order in which they were created in 1. Just sayin...sounds contradictory to me.
It sounds to me like that's an argument for divorce/remarrying to be acceptable, not adultery in the form of sex outside marriage. This is that thing you do again, where the Bible says something about one form of an act, and you transfer it to all other types of that action. That's not what it says.
Annie, you know I love you...but Jesus disagrees with you, according to the bible at least.
Matthew 5:17-20 (NIV - not my favorite version, but most like it) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
See you in hell honey!
(if you believe all that)
As for this and all your following posts saying the OT doesn't matter to Christians...
I never said that. I said the OT quotes that people use to defend their anti-gay arguments don't matter, because they don't.
The OT in it's entirety matters very much to Christians, but the quote used against homosexuality is from Leviticus and no, Christians don't follow those laws. Ya wanna know why? Because of that same quote in Matthew you posted, where Jesus says "I have come to fufill them".
To argue that Christians follow Levitical law is ridiculous because you know they don't. lol If Christians believed Levitical law still applied to them and that it had not been fufilled by Jesus, Christians would be kosher, not eat pork or shell fish, etc. But they do...because they don't follow those laws.
I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong of them, but the fact is that they don't. So I refuse to listen to a Christian quote Leviticus as saying you should lay with a man as you lay with a women, when they believe they don't need to follow any other Levitical law. That's ridiculous. You can't have it both ways. Either you believe you should follow all of them, or none of them.
That's my problem, Earthrider...is that it isn't clearly anything. You can make an argument for your interpretation, but that's all it is, is your interpretation just like mine is mine. I haven't heard one thing so far that clearly states that it is wrong or sinful for a man or woman to have romantic love for another person of the same sex and be in a committed relationship with them.
& lol @ saying lots of Christians follow Levitical law and eat kosher. Hahahahahha. A lot of them? Really? I can almost guarantee you there at least as many Christians who believe homosexuality is fine as there are Christians who actually follow Levitical laws and a kosher lifestyle.
Look in the book of Gerome 9:32 - "Thou who dost put his weiner in another mans poop hole shall burn in hell eternally; however if two women wish to lie with one another this is pleasing to God"
damn i just read all 34 pages.......fuckkk
being gay is a choice, show me the gay gene. Show me the 5 yr old boy who wants a big fat black cock up his ass, reamed hard, and then getting cummed on all over the face like a fucking hose. Fuck the love part, I wanna get down to the dirty shit
being gay is a choice, show me the gay gene. Show me the 5 yr old boy who wants a big fat black cock up his ass, reamed hard, and then getting cummed on all over the face like a fucking hose. Fuck the love part, I wanna get down to the dirty shit
mrplunkey
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Jesus said divorcing and remarrying is adultery.
And you are right, there is a crystal clear argument for the acceptability of divorce/remarrying in the New Testament.
Therefore, adultery is acceptable.
P.S. Timothy 2:11 Says you don't get a vote on matters such as these. Stop trying to instruct!
needtogetaas
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lmao
What about the sabbath? The fourth commandment? Do you remember it to keep it holy? Do you do no work on the seventh day (Saturday)?
I know, right?
If you or anyone else still wants to be bound by the old law you are entitled to do so. It makes no difference to me. If you're scared I'm doomed to hell (if you believe in that sort of thing) well, at least thanks for caring
no thanks.
and I'm not scared.Brothabillmatrix
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Didnt read the entire thread, but as I am a declared God (just ask the 2 shifts of police at the Portland Intl. Airport that took to restrain me and tasered me).
That well as a God, sent down from the Pantheon which all knowledge of this and that as I am this and that as a God.
Here is my thesis on the gay issue.
1) Its wrong but just a slightly wrong thing and no one in the Pantheon upstairs cares
2) The bible is wrong, us Gods up there didnt even write it or contribute to it, at least none admit to doing it> sure we put some ideas in their heads, but they just ran with it. So its not an officially sanctioned God-approved Rulebook from our Pantheon. So Caveat Emptor applies. I haven't even read the damn thing myself, as a God, that should tell you something about it.
3) You wont be punished for following the bible unless you use it to hurt other people. Which is the one main rule of us Gods that we have communicated with you. The Golden Rule. Do onto to others as they do onto you. If someone does like your sexuality, then that is also wrong for you to not like their sexuality.
4). Let us Gods sort them out, no, dont kill them as the old saying goes. Just do your thing, you arent going to change them so go find more enjoyable things to do. If they do acts that catch our attention. We will sentence them to hell and an eternity. I've been sentenced to that for 8 seconds for a misdeed, it seemed like a million years, just watching the clock waiting forever for it to tick past one more second.
5) Homosexuality is caused by two things, mainly the media, its a propaganda campaign and secondly, it probably feels good. However grotesque the thought of having a woman lick my clitorus. I am sure some will find that behavior rewarding
That well as a God, sent down from the Pantheon which all knowledge of this and that as I am this and that as a God.
Here is my thesis on the gay issue.
1) Its wrong but just a slightly wrong thing and no one in the Pantheon upstairs cares
2) The bible is wrong, us Gods up there didnt even write it or contribute to it, at least none admit to doing it> sure we put some ideas in their heads, but they just ran with it. So its not an officially sanctioned God-approved Rulebook from our Pantheon. So Caveat Emptor applies. I haven't even read the damn thing myself, as a God, that should tell you something about it.
3) You wont be punished for following the bible unless you use it to hurt other people. Which is the one main rule of us Gods that we have communicated with you. The Golden Rule. Do onto to others as they do onto you. If someone does like your sexuality, then that is also wrong for you to not like their sexuality.
4). Let us Gods sort them out, no, dont kill them as the old saying goes. Just do your thing, you arent going to change them so go find more enjoyable things to do. If they do acts that catch our attention. We will sentence them to hell and an eternity. I've been sentenced to that for 8 seconds for a misdeed, it seemed like a million years, just watching the clock waiting forever for it to tick past one more second.
5) Homosexuality is caused by two things, mainly the media, its a propaganda campaign and secondly, it probably feels good. However grotesque the thought of having a woman lick my clitorus. I am sure some will find that behavior rewarding
you believe Jesus was THE God and yet the bible and Apostle's Creed state that he went to hell.
Jesus going to hell is debatable.
what about the bible? Do you believe in that?
I did say both the bible and apostle's creed. The creed simply states what the bible already told.
I took from my skimming of bill's post that he was merely "a" god of many gods. So obviously he was sentenced by the other gods, whether by some court/trial or by a "head" god.
Not far fetched if you think in mythological terms.
I did say both the bible and apostle's creed. The creed simply states what the bible already told.
I took from my skimming of bill's post that he was merely "a" god of many gods. So obviously he was sentenced by the other gods, whether by some court/trial or by a "head" god.
Not far fetched if you think in mythological terms.
javaguru
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George Bush claimed his god told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
Ted Haggard..the disgraced gay minister, featured in Jesus Camp, that headed one of the largest evangelical organizations in the United States claimed a weekly teleconference call with George Bush.
The Bush admin managed to turn gay marriage into one of the greatest threats to America during his re-election campaign while the United States remained in two quagmire wars.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think a United States president has ever cited his big business donors as a reason for undertaking a political course of action?
Human society has institutionally been built on a three legged stool of those who fight, those who pray and those who rule. Those who pray mobilize the superstitious masses as their base of power, they enforce generational social norms and their own power by ensuring the youth are indoctrinated.
Finally, you never addressed the direct harm to society that would occur if two people of the same sex decided to enter into the marriage contract?
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EarthRider
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lets get one damn thing straight on this thread
I never said I eat kosher, wtf are you suppose to put on a pizza betches, I said other Christians.
K thanks carry on
I never said I eat kosher, wtf are you suppose to put on a pizza betches, I said other Christians.
K thanks carry on
javaguru
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There was a debate among early christians as to whether or not a convert had to convert to judaism. Paul eventually won the debate but jesus did say the old law would not pass until his return...which meant you had obey the law. As a matter of fact, my cousin is renewing her wedding vows in a traditional jewsih ceremony, they also worship as jews, even though they are christians. My cousin's husband, he was my Sunday school teacher when I was a teen, at my brother in laws Baptist church... of course it hasn't gone over well with the Baptists...which is the rest of the family...
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EarthRider
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I know some messianic Jewish friends also. I totally respect it, and think it is cool. But still, I like pepperoni on my pizza
I don't put pork on my pizzas. I don't give a fuck so much about kosher, I just don't dig on the swine.
chicken, ground beef. I make my own pizzas most times now and I use soujouck, which is a turkish all beef dried sausage very similar to pepperoni...only it tastes much better.
javaguru
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I don't put pork on my pizzas. I don't give a fuck so much about kosher, I just don't dig on the swine.
chicken, ground beef. I make my own pizzas most times now and I use soujouck, which is a turkish all beef dried sausage very similar to pepperoni...only it tastes much better.
A local pizza place has the sweet baby ray's bbq chicken pizza...it's worth a go. Grilled chicken breast, sweet baby rays bbq sauce, bacon, pineapple, mozzarella, cheddar on a thin crust.
hold the bacon.
nimbus
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if Christians have been interpreting bible verses as anti-gay since almost the beginning of Christianity, doesn't that make Christianity a de-facto anti-gay religion? Sure you could say "that's not what Jesus wanted," but I bet a lot of Christianity currently taught/practiced has more to do with the apostles than Jesus as well.
The "Bible" wasn't interpreted as anti-gay THAT early. Having said what I've said about the anti-gay quote from the OT, that leaves only the verses from the NT to be interpreted in such a way. And the Bible with all the books as we know it didn't come around til about 400 years after Jesus died. Before that, individual books of the Bible were passed around and they weren't "the Bible". So the apostles weren't interpreting anything. Any anti-gay interpretations of scripture had to have come much later.
Could you say Christianity is a de facto anti-homosexuality religion because of how long the Bible has been interpreted that way? Sure I guess...And then you could say Christianity is also de facto pro-slavery and pro-racism.
I don't think that because something has been interpreted in such a way for a long time, does it mean that interpretation is correct.
As for most Christian practices being based more on what the Apostles did and passed on than what Jesus actually said/did/wanted, that's likely true. And that's why I consider myself Christian but belong to no formal church, so I can believe what I read, not what is forced upon me by hundreds of years of strategic bible interpretation.
If God has a problem with gays then why are there gay animals? Every species of animals that pair bonds has gay pairs, and it's not an uncommon thing.
Here's another thought to ponder, what about babies that are born intersexed (having the genitals of both genders). What's God's opinion on them?
And, BTW, if being gay comes from being exposed to gay, how come every gay person I know has straight parents? In fact, children who are raised in a gay household have exactly the same chance of becoming gay as those raised in a nice straight, Christian household.
And just as an aside, pedos are made, it's not a choice, it's a compulsion. I don't think I've ever heard of a pedo who hadn't been molested as a child themselves, screws the brain up.
The Jewish laws against homosexuality sprang out of the fact that the Jews were setting themselves apart from other cultures, particularly Rome and Greece -- where homosexuality was the norm and in fact encouraged -- and practitioners of paganism -- which was usually goddess based, hence, why Eve in particular and women in general really got put down.
Here's another thought to ponder, what about babies that are born intersexed (having the genitals of both genders). What's God's opinion on them?
And, BTW, if being gay comes from being exposed to gay, how come every gay person I know has straight parents? In fact, children who are raised in a gay household have exactly the same chance of becoming gay as those raised in a nice straight, Christian household.
And just as an aside, pedos are made, it's not a choice, it's a compulsion. I don't think I've ever heard of a pedo who hadn't been molested as a child themselves, screws the brain up.
The Jewish laws against homosexuality sprang out of the fact that the Jews were setting themselves apart from other cultures, particularly Rome and Greece -- where homosexuality was the norm and in fact encouraged -- and practitioners of paganism -- which was usually goddess based, hence, why Eve in particular and women in general really got put down.
do you always check?
you don't know how to check the sex of an animal??
I thought it had everything to do with it???
If a boy is fucking a boy, doesn't that usually make them gay? Bi at least?
Maybe you can teach me on this since you seem to be the homo expert.
Name a species of animals, other than human, that pair bonds? How many of them have you observed in the wild?
Maybe all pedos were molested, but not all people who were molested as children have screwed up brains imo.
you've never seen god either, but you believe in him.
I have a hard time telling a boy cat from a girl cat unless I'm up close
fuckin sicko
Are you talking about this?
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus meant that every I will be dotted and every T will be crossed and everything written will be fulfilled in the end. That does not bind anyone to the old law.
That verse by itself might sound like it means one thing but when you compare scripture with scripture and rightly divide the word it makes perfect sense what it means.
Why would anyone want to abide by the old law when its clear that it is like putting a blanket over a rotting corpse, it just gets you by temporarily. It was never meant to be followed after Jesus's death. It also teached spiritual lessons using the physical because they just couldn't understand spiritual things. The law can't be followed exactly anyway, that's the whole point.
Why would anyone want to abide by the old law when its clear that it is like putting a blanket over a rotting corpse, it just gets you by temporarily. It was never meant to be followed after Jesus's death. It also teached spiritual lessons using the physical because they just couldn't understand spiritual things. The law can't be followed exactly anyway, that's the whole point.
So jesus came to do away with the law? Sweet. He should have just said that.
It's (not so) funny,(imho) Matthew is the book that people stumble across, fall down, break their necks and die reading. It is (imho) one of the most difficult books in the bible because so many people take it out of context. The doctrinal context is Christ presenting himself to Israel as king to Israel not Christians, and it's a transitional book. So, you have to be careful when you take things out of Matthew and try to apply them personally.
I don't put pork on my pizzas. I don't give a fuck so much about kosher, I just don't dig on the swine.
chicken, ground beef. I make my own pizzas most times now and I use soujouck, which is a turkish all beef dried sausage very similar to pepperoni...only it tastes much better.
You're missing out, pork is the best mammalian meat.
Who cares if pigs wallow in shit? That doesn't affect the meat. Like all other vertebrates, pigs are completely enclosed in a fleshy integument that keeps their insides free from contamination.
Have you ever seen 2 male cats butt fucking each other?
I don't need any fuggin life coach...lol
It's not like I've never had pork. I just don't dig on the swine. I find it the least appealing of choices of common meats.
Cuz you dont know how to cook it.
