cardio and sweating

[brunette]

when i workout hard, and i mean upto 85% of max heart-rate, for 30-40 minutes on a eliptical and DON'T sweat, what does this mean?

i thought, not working hard enough right, BUT sometimes i have sustained 60mins of treadmill powerwalking in the fat burning zone without sweating one bit.

why????

this makes me think i am wasting my workout, am i?

i drink whilst working out too.....and before and after.

anyone else?

 

[dogbert2]

do you get flushed ? (red in the face)

you sweat when your body is trying to cool yourself down...you must have a good O2 uptake (the air your passing out is keeping you under sweating range) or super slow twitch muscles... which is genetic.... any of your family members athletes/ runners/etc?

 

[anthrax]

1] You're a lazy bastard

2] In England it is hardly above 12 degrees Celsius in summer, too cold to sweat

3] Sweating is not an accurate indicator of intensity
In my cycling classes there are a couple of fat asses that sweat like horses though they stay on the lowest intensity and don't seem to feel tired

Sweating is partly genetic (ie hyperhidrosis = excessive sweating condition)

it also depends on the room temperature, humidity, if you're tired, stressed (adrenalin), your hydratation.......

At what HR do you do your cardio ?

 

[anthrax]

BTW, I'd say that the more muscle you hyave the more you should sweat

More muscle = more Work /Energy = more heat = more sweating

 

[JKurz1]

BTW, I'd say that the more muscle you hyave the more you should sweat

More muscle = more Work /Energy = more heat = more sweating

ummm.....no...good try though.....one has nothing to do with the other....for many, it's a genetic thing...but, if you ever look at the obeses population, they are continuously sweating....How do u know you are at 85% is my question.....that's some pretty- f0ing intense cardio for that long of a duration....I'm doubting it........

 

[brunette]

jkurz you can doubt all you want sweetie, but trust me i am a cardio queen. 85%, trust me, i can FEEL it, and use the measure as a guide only. you don't sound like a cardio person lol.

now that you have questioned anthrax's premise, about more muscle mass=more work = more sweat, i am as confused as i started. because that sounded promising.

i am no fat blob, nor a bag of bones. i have muscle, in good measure.

sometimes when i work out i am cold, and i am not lazy.

anthrax, no., i don't think so somehow. i workout in a gym, true its air conditioned but i hardly go to socialise. i work, i sweat it dude. well, not literally sometimes

anyone else?

 

[JKurz1]

jkurz you can doubt all you want sweetie, but trust me i am a cardio queen. 85%, trust me, i can FEEL it, and use the measure as a guide only. you don't sound like a cardio person lol.

now that you have questioned anthrax's premise, about more muscle mass=more work = more sweat, i am as confused as i started. because that sounded promising.

i am no fat blob, nor a bag of bones. i have muscle, in good measure.

sometimes when i work out i am cold, and i am not lazy.

anthrax, no., i don't think so somehow. i workout in a gym, true its air conditioned but i hardly go to socialise. i work, i sweat it dude. well, not literally sometimes

anyone else?

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm quit knowledgeable when it comes to cardiovascular health........certitfied spinning instructor, taught for 3 years, blah, blah....anyways, I just wanted to make sure you meant 85% for that long of time..........how do you measure?

 

[brunette]

i measure by the machine handle bars. I KNOW they can be off, but when my heart is pumping out of my chest and i can barely breathe, naeutious, and sometimes my heart hurts, i know i working out, maxing out.

are you really a spinning instructor? (sorry to doubt you lol) i have always wanted to try a class, but is it more cal burning than eliptical? what if i could not keep up?

 

[JKurz1]

The class is tailored so that it's YOUR class..........you chose how hard you want to go.....the elliptical in my opinion only, is junk.........way too easy no matter how hard or heavy you set the resistance...........much rather, spin or use the treadmill.......anyways, back to the point, spinning is the only exercise where I've hit my max of 200bpm.........those handles can be wayy off, so invest in a cheapy HR monitor.........what is it reading for you?

 

[callthedoctor]

jkurz - I just started using the elipical about a month ago and have worked myself up to 30 minutes and about 450 calories (or so the bogus computer reads)...I work up a real sweat...dripping quite profusely...after this I push out a 6 mph jog on the treadmill. Then I start my lift routine....soaking wet btw...

I hate most aerobics/cardio and only really do it out of guilt and/or necessity. I'm a big guy at 255lb and probably 13-15% bf....(wanting to get lower here...)...so the elipical 'feels' preety good to me and my taxed joints. I don't feel winded on the elipical like I do the treadmill, but I was under the assumption that being non-winded, might put be more into that 'fat-buring' zone...no?

Was wondering why you think the elipical is junk? No flame here...just wanted your opinion. Would I be better off using those 30 minutes of cardio somewhere else...

Brunette.....might try wearing some sweats or plastic suits if you desire to sweat more...

 

[anthrax]

Brunette.....might try wearing some sweats or plastic suits if you desire to sweat more...

Noooooooooooooo !
Don't run with a Trash Bag on

 

[Synpax]

Some thoughts

1) People who are in cardiovascular shape sweat more often and faster
2) People who aren't sweating when they should be are dehydrated
3) Check out the Ultima Replenisher link in my signature.

 

[JKurz1]

A message to all - SWEATING IS MANY TIME HEREDITARY...........SOME SWEAT MORE THAN OTHERS....JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST! please don't judge your w/o by the amount of water on the floor............cmon.

 

[anthrax]

A message to all - SWEATING IS MANY TIME HEREDITARY...........SOME SWEAT MORE THAN OTHERS....JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST! please don't judge your w/o by the amount of water on the floor............cmon.

Agree, but it's a bit frustrating not to sweat while the ugly fat ass chick next to you loses 1 liter of sweat

 

[brunette]

exactly.

and i used to sweat profusely on the eliptical. don't agree with jkurz there, that machine is my baby

 

[Synpax]

Contradictions do not exist. One of your premises is incorrect.

I suspect it is that you are not working hard enough on your elyptical. Go to the treadmill, set it to 8 MPH and stay on it for about 6 minutes and see if you sweat then.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

exactly.

and i used to sweat profusely on the eliptical. don't agree with jkurz there, that machine is my baby

Switch machines. Your body has adapted to the exercise and needs a new form of stimulation. You need to change the mode of cardio often to prohibit the body from gettting used to it.

The fact the you USED to sweat, and NOW don't means that your body has become more efficient at this exercise. You used to sweat because the body was not used to the demand put on it. After time, it learns how to adapt and can do the same work with less effort. You will no longer get the results out of it because it is no longer suprised by the stimulation.

it's like lifitng weights. When you first started lifting, maybe 5lbs was hard. So you kept doing it, and finally it 5lbs was easy. So you increased the weight Now your body has to adapt to the new challenge. You wouldn't STAY at those 5lb weights forever would you?

 

[brunette]

best explanation yet daisy!

thanks, i think she's hit the nail on the heas guys. now, that means i should really consider spinning classes eh?

 

[Synpax]

Yeah, spining rocks. Try to budget for clip shoes ifyou can and get there early so you can

1) can a bike near the fan
2) have time to adjust the bike

 

[anthrax]

2) have time to adjust the bike

what is the best position to preserve your knees ?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

what is the best position to preserve your knees ?

When you push downward, make sure the knee doesn't go over the toes.

 

[JKurz1]

when i workout hard, and i mean upto 85% of max heart-rate, for 30-40 minutes on a eliptical and DON'T sweat, what does this mean?

i thought, not working hard enough right, BUT sometimes i have sustained 60mins of treadmill powerwalking in the fat burning zone without sweating one bit.

why????

this makes me think i am wasting my workout, am i?

i drink whilst working out too.....and before and after.

anyone else?

I was thinking about this again last night and have to wonder if what you are thiking is 85%, really is a lot lower...........can you invest in a cheapy heart rate monitor?

 

[anthrax]

When you push downward, make sure the knee doesn't go over the toes.

A bit like when squatting then...

 

[Synpax]

What Daisy says might sound nice, but it's wrong on science. Your body sweats more the and earlier as you improve.

First, while the elyptical is for old people with injuries, you should find a better piece of equipment.

Also, I think the real issue is you are not drinking enough. Your urine should be near clear.

As a reference, I am in awesome shape. I mean really good cardio shape. I went spinning last night for 45 minutes. During that time I drank a half gallon of Ultima. This morning I was at the track and I downed a quarter gallon of Ultima and a quarter gallon of regular water. I sweat like Britany Spears in a confessional booth. I squeezed more out of my tops this morning and last night than most people drink all day - totally seriously.

Anyway, you aren't hydrated enough. Monitor the color of your urine carefully - it should be near clear.

And don't worry about gaining water weight. Drinking water actually accelerates your metabolism.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

What Daisy says might sound nice, but it's wrong on science. Your body sweats more the and earlier as you improve.

First, while the elyptical is for old people with injuries, you should find a better piece of equipment.

Also, I think the real issue is you are not drinking enough. Your urine should be near clear.

As a reference, I am in awesome shape. I mean really good cardio shape. I went spinning last night for 45 minutes. During that time I drank a half gallon of Ultima. This morning I was at the track and I downed a quarter gallon of Ultima and a quarter gallon of regular water. I sweat like Britany Spears in a confessional booth. I squeezed more out of my tops this morning and last night than most people drink all day - totally seriously.

Anyway, you aren't hydrated enough. Monitor the color of your urine carefully - it should be near clear.

And don't worry about gaining water weight. Drinking water actually accelerates your metabolism.

I respectfully disagree.

Your case might be different because you are so experienced in cardio. You intuitively change your intensity and know how to push yourself - therefore the workout is different *every time*. Especially if you are talking about Spinning and track/speed/sprints workouts. No two Spinning or sprint workouts are the same - your body adjusts for the way it feels that day.

On the Elliptical, or any other cardio machine, most people set it for a certain resistance/incline/intensity for the same amount of time. They stay there. They do the same machine, same everything. Eventually, the body will adjust and will not have to work as hard - because it is NOT BEING CHALLENGED. If you are not challenging your body, you will not sweat as much, because you are exerting less effort. What used to be challenging is no longer.

 

[Synpax]

I respectfully disagree.

Your case might be different because you are so experienced in cardio. You intuitively change your intensity and know how to push yourself - therefore the workout is different *every time*. Especially if you are talking about Spinning and track/speed/sprints workouts. No two Spinning or sprint workouts are the same - your body adjusts for the way it feels that day.

On the Elliptical, or any other cardio machine, most people set it for a certain resistance/incline/intensity for the same amount of time. They stay there. They do the same machine, same everything. Eventually, the body will adjust and will not have to work as hard - because it is NOT BEING CHALLENGED. If you are not challenging your body, you will not sweat as much, because you are exerting less effort. What used to be challenging is no longer.

You have no science on your side; you don't know what you are talking about.

You are applying what you know about muscle development and cardiovascularism (the body adapts to progression) backwards to the autonomic neverous system's use of eccrine sweat glands.

The better health someone is in, the faster and better the eccrine glands respond. That means more sweat, earlier sweat, and longer sweating.

The more you train:
- the more efficient your lungs become at using oxygen, so you are not out of breath as much
- the stronger your leg muscles are, and the less tired they become
- the more readily your eccrine glands respond

I can give you some science links/quotes if you want.

What a good test would be is for this girl to hydrate thoroughly (near clear urine for a day leading up to the exercise) and then see what happens when she gets on the elyptical.

 

[brunette]

synpax my wee is ALWYAS clear, and that is not a boast.

now i am just as confused as before. btw i also drink 1.5 gallons e/d.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

You have no science on your side; you don't know what you are talking about.

You are applying what you know about muscle development and cardiovascularism (the body adapts to progression) backwards to the autonomic neverous system's use of eccrine sweat glands.

The better health someone is in, the faster and better the eccrine glands respond. That means more sweat, earlier sweat, and longer sweating.

The more you train:
- the more efficient your lungs become at using oxygen, so you are not out of breath as much
- the stronger your leg muscles are, and the less tired they become
- the more readily your eccrine glands respond

I don't need scientific quotes, I can fully accept if I am wrong. But it seems me, in my experience, that there is a correlation between muscle/body adaptation and sweating or exertion. At least in me, and I cannot imagine I am put together so differently than any other human, lol.

I may have the science wrong (no shocker there), but I believe 100% in the concept I was trying to get her to do - change her workout as I believe her body has adapted to it.

You are saying, scientifically, there is *no* relationship between cardiovascular conditioning and sweating?

And I think it quite wrong for you to state that "I have no idea what I am talking about". I have plenty of knowledge....although I am certainly no expert on everything (never claimed to be) and will admit when I am wrong....to say I have no idea what I am talking about is quite a kick in the balls.

 

[Synpax]

Yeah, I'll stick by the 'you have no idea what your talking about.' That's just the truth.

And you quote me wrong. I said, scientifically, there is a relationship between conditioning and sweating. The better conditioned you are the more you sweat, the sooner you start sweating, and the longer you sweat.

I've said that about four times now - how did you miss it every single time?

Sweating is a benefit to the body. It's something your body gets better at, not worse at over time.

I will get you some science.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Interesting discussion...let's see those links, Synpax.

 

[Synpax]

synpax my wee is ALWYAS clear, and that is not a boast.

now i am just as confused as before. btw i also drink 1.5 gallons e/d.

Then that eliminates one possibility. Some others might be:
1) Somoene has adjusted the thermostat in your gym downwards.
2) Your measurement of HRM are incorrect. How do you normally measure them? Are you measuring them in a consistent was as before?
3) You don't have enough sodium/K/electrolites in your diet anymore. Drink all you want, those electrolytes are required to sweat. (See the Ultima link in my sig).
4) You are experiencing the onset of a neurological disease.

The first three may be easy to check for. I'd also suggest getting on a treadmill, putting it at 7.5 MPH, and running on it for 10 minutes (should be near your aerobic capacity.) This will determine if you are actually capable of sweating from your eccrine glands (sweat from emotional related causes comes from an entirely different set of glands, is unrelated, and smells much worse).

 

[JKurz1]

Urine color is not only the factor in determining hydration.....many times, after food consumption and esp. after I take in excess vitamin C, my urine changes, yet I'm still hydrated......brunette-I'd LOVE for you to get a HR monitor......I will pay for it IF you were accurate in determing how intense your cardio really is.....I'm convinced you have adapted to the machine allowing your body to work a lot less hard than it used to....

 

[brunette]

so you agree with daisy?^^^

anyway, synpax you have me worried . your theory, it does'nt sound too unbelievable, but....i will try the treadmill, although it's goddman boring.

i think, as hypothesised by daisy, i will begin to sweat more. just have to chnage things around a little.

what does it mean if i do fat burning exercise for 50 mins at 40-65% of max heartrate and NOt sweat, and in fact feel COLD?

 

[JKurz1]

you could be dead...............

 

[Synpax]

*sigh*
I'm real careful about answering people's questions here and elsewhere because if I can't really back it off, I'm sending someone in the wrong direction that could harm them. You see a lot of this on the training board (and fortunately not as much on the anabolics board - I guess they are more agressive with red K).

"How much you sweat depends on several factors.... The fitter the runner, the more and larger the sweat glands, resultsing in increased sweat prodution, and the sooner you will sweat during a run."

The Competitive Runners Handbook. Perfect Amazon customer rating.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140469907/103-4233927-1337450?v=glance&s=books

I checked my NASM text book and there isn't any mention of sweating. I'll see if I can get something up on Nexis. But honestly I don't really care anymore. Believe whatever the hell you want to.

 

[brunette]

bump!

i sweat

a lot! uphill walking at 15.0 incline at 6mph, 40 mins. i was glowing like a lamp

 

[Daisy_Girl]

bump!

i sweat

a lot! uphill walking at 15.0 incline at 6mph, 40 mins. i was glowing like a lamp

AWESOME....

And see? You didn't die of boredom on the treadmill (like you thought you would)!!!!!!!!!! lol

 

[brunette]

AWESOME....

And see? You didn't die of boredom on the treadmill (like you thought you would)!!!!!!!!!! lol

nearly lol

only with the treadmills facing the meat (oops bodybuilders) kept me going

 

[JKurz1]

bump!

i sweat

a lot! uphill walking at 15.0 incline at 6mph, 40 mins. i was glowing like a lamp

Don't hold the rails!!!!!! 15.0 a 6mph for 40 minutes is very rough.....

 

[brunette]

Don't hold the rails!!!!!! 15.0 a 6mph for 40 minutes is very rough.....

wtf, what rails?

 

[Dial_tone]

I have a friend who was a pro BB'er in the late 80's/early 90's and he never sweated a drop during any workout. He was just a freak though.

 

[anthrax]

Genetics play a major role
It's obvious

But I also agree that your body "learns" to sweat more efficiently.... to protect itself I guess

 

[Daisy_Girl]

BRUNETTE...update? How are things?

 

[anthrax]

BRUNETTE...update? How are things?

Daisy_Girl, this is a terrible news I have to tell you

the cute Brunette tried to run for 3 hours at 15mph
and she.... oh no it's horrible.......

 

[Pamela]

I wonder about the Diet? Getting enough sodium?

 

[Jesse1]

jkurz - I just started using the elipical about a month ago and have worked myself up to 30 minutes and about 450 calories (or so the bogus computer reads)...I work up a real sweat...dripping quite profusely...after this I push out a 6 mph jog on the treadmill. Then I start my lift routine....soaking wet btw...

I hate most aerobics/cardio and only really do it out of guilt and/or necessity. I'm a big guy at 255lb and probably 13-15% bf....(wanting to get lower here...)...so the elipical 'feels' preety good to me and my taxed joints. I don't feel winded on the elipical like I do the treadmill, but I was under the assumption that being non-winded, might put be more into that 'fat-buring' zone...no?

Was wondering why you think the elipical is junk? No flame here...just wanted your opinion. Would I be better off using those 30 minutes of cardio somewhere else...

Brunette.....might try wearing some sweats or plastic suits if you desire to sweat more...

Ellipticals are not junk. In fact they are one of the best modes of cardio vascular exercise around. Whatever type of fitness equipment does the job for you is the one you should use, not what someone else tells you to.