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PWTurbofan

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Last August, I was started on HRT. Long story short, my total test was 390, and the lower-limit of normal for the lab was 420. Was started on AndroGel and then switched to test.cyp inj. I was on this through August of '07, and then decided to take myself off HRT for a couple months - give my andro receptors a break. I ran clomid for 40 days, and was totally clean for a week before the bloodwork.

Here are the results:

Estradiol - 39 pg/ml (normal = 10-45)
Testosterone (Total) - 724 (normal = 280-800)

How the hell did my natural testosterone nearly double??? Did a year of HRT "fix" me??
 
PWTurbofan said:
Last August, I was started on HRT. Long story short, my total test was 390, and the lower-limit of normal for the lab was 420. Was started on AndroGel and then switched to test.testosterone cypionate inj. I was on this through August of '07, and then decided to take myself off HRT for a couple months - give my andro receptors a break. I ran clomid for 40 days, and was totally clean for a week before the bloodwork.

Here are the results:

Estradiol - 39 pg/ml (normal = 10-45)
Testosterone (Total) - 724 (normal = 280-800)

How the hell did my natural testosterone nearly double??? Did a year of HRT "fix" me??

sure as fuck sounds like it.......no more script for you.
 
very interesting question... will look forward to hearing from Nelson and R1 on this one...
 
That's awesome...I'd wait several months clean and do another test...
 
Yep i'll stay off and get another test in a month...what's really strange tho is that the 724 is significantly higher than my HRT level of 600!!

i'm pretty fukn pumped about this
 
PWTurbofan said:
Yep i'll stay off and get another test in a month...what's really strange tho is that the 724 is significantly higher than my HRT level of 600!!

i'm pretty fukn pumped about this


Make sure you post or pm me the second test lab results. Im very interested in this.
 
How much test were you getting on HRT?

The half life of test cyp is about 12 days, so if you were getting 200 mg/week, after 12 days there would be 100 mg left.

You were off for how long in total? 47 days?
 
tatyana_zadorozny said:
How much test were you getting on HRT?

The half life of test testosterone cypionate is about 12 days, so if you were getting 200 mg/week, after 12 days there would be 100 mg left.

You were off for how long in total? 47 days?

i was 'scribed 200mg ew. i waited 2 full weeks after the last poke before i started clo-mid. ran the clo for 40 days, then waited 7 days before bloodwork. so it was 61 days between last cy.p poke and bloodwork.i would think that all of the exogenous test had to be long out of my system by then??
 
the half-life of clomid is about 7 days

you still had it floating around kicking up your LH and FSH which boosts your endogenous test production.
 
Mr. Black said:
Did they test for either Bio-Available or Free Testosterone?

No...i specifically asked for both free and total to be checked, too. i also asked for IGF and estradiol to be checked...raised his eyebrows, asking why i wanted this stuff checked...this was NOT my HRT doc, but my PCP.
 
PWTurbofan said:
i was 'scribed 200mg ew. i waited 2 full weeks after the last poke before i started clo-mid. ran the clo for 40 days, then waited 7 days before bloodwork. so it was 61 days between last cy.p poke and bloodwork.i would think that all of the exogenous test had to be long out of my system by then??

I have read there is a half life of 6 days and a half life of 12 days now.

Test Cyc is oil based? That may have an impact.

Based on the longer half life

200 mg- 12 days 100 mg

100 mg - 24 days 50 mg

50 mg - 36 days 25 mg

25 mg - 48 days - 12 mg

12 mg - 60 days 6 mg or 6000 ug.

How the body processes stuff is not set in stone either.

Nelson is more of an expert on HRT, I would send him a PM
 
What are y'alls experiences with post-P.C.T recovery? how long did you wait before you had bloodwork? I'm especially curious about those who had bloodwork done within a week or two of P.C.T. Were your levels at/about the same as where you started?

A good bro told me that I'm good to go for bloodwork a week after clo...but Mava's speculation that half the clo-mid was still in my system thereby kicking up lh - leutenizing hormone - /FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - seems plausible.
 
i took a test about 10 days after PCT on a cycle a couple years ago that I am referring to. My test level came back at 1380.. a month later is was 455.

I would not get your hopes up just yet - the clomid is what gave you that result.
 
black sheep said:
i took a test about 10 days after PCT - post cycle therapy - on a cycle a couple years ago that I am referring to. My test level came back at 1380.. a month later is was 455.

I would not get your hopes up just yet - the clomid is what gave you that result.

WHAT HAPPEND TO STALLION..........
 
Mavafanculo said:
the half-life of clomid is about 7 days

you still had it floating around kicking up your lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - which boosts your endogenous test production.


This is EXACTLY what I was going to say.... it's always best to get bloodwork 2-3 weeks AFTER clomid or no-lva therapy... the stuff is still in your system and giving "unstablized" readings.... get tested again in a month and you'll find a dramatic difference I'm sure... give your body time to "normalize" without any drugs in your system
 
Lots of variables and explanations. But HR T did not "cure" you. It's a replacement, not a remedy.

How long after the cycle did you first get tested? You may have recovered by just being off.

Or...you had high estrogen and THAT supressed you. Once you took the Clomid, it got things in balance.

Or...you're a good responder to Clomid and yes, if it bumped LH it would still be active. It's doubtful that it'll stay that high, then again, maybe you can mainain it just with supps.

The odd thing is that your estro is still on the high side. Another test would give more answers.
 
It's just like everything that doctors do. It's never a cure. It's smoke and mirrors. They try to distract you away from what the real problem is with something else.
Example: You go to the doctor and tell him that you were trying to pick up something in your garage and you hurt your back. He doesn't fix what's wrong with your back, he prescribes some pain pills so you will forget that your back hurts while it heals on it's own.
In your case you went to the doctor because of low testosterone. Instead of figuring out and fixing the cause, he distracted you with some "hormone replacement".

Like everyone else said, wait a bit and get re-tested. I'm not going to say what caused the test to be like it was like others have, but suffice it to say that all of that HRT didn't do anything but hurt your own natural production.

Sorry about the doctor rant. It's just very frustrating to watch people you love suffer later in life and there ain't a damn thing these idiots can do.
 
true... a good doctor would've determined first if it were primary or secondary hypogonadism... which means the difference between treatment with H C G and/or clomid... or if it's not treatable, then going onto HRT for life.... HRT will definitely not "cure" the cause for low test
 
marshallmadman said:
Sorry about the doctor rant. It's just very frustrating to watch people you love suffer later in life and there ain't a damn thing these idiots can do.

I know what you're saying bro. i watched my Dad degrade slowly and miserably over the past 3 years. his quality of life was terrible right up until the end. The doctors were always treating symptoms instead of the cause.
 
marshallmadman said:
It's just like everything that doctors do. It's never a cure. It's smoke and mirrors. They try to distract you away from what the real problem is with something else.
Example: You go to the doctor and tell him that you were trying to pick up something in your garage and you hurt your back. He doesn't fix what's wrong with your back, he prescribes some pain pills so you will forget that your back hurts while it heals on it's own.In your case you went to the doctor because of low testosterone. Instead of figuring out and fixing the cause, he distracted you with some "hormone replacement".



Sorry about the doctor rant. It's just very frustrating to watch people you love suffer later in life and there ain't a damn thing these idiots can do.[/QUOTE]


I can completely understand how painful it is when someone you love is unwell and nothing seems to make a difference.

I work in a lab, and the thing that gets me the most is when we have newborns or pre-term babies that are seriously sick, and then we have to go through all sorts of testing to try and figure out what is actually wrong with them.


Not everything can be cured. Some babies are born with inborn errors of metabolism. It's genetic, and if they don't make some enzyme crucial to life.......................There are also genetic variables that will have some people not respond as well to some drugs, or not respond at all.

Just like if someone puts on a tonne of weight, it is not going to be an instant 'cure' to take it off. 10 years of being obese, having an unhealthy lifestyle is going to have an effect.

I see doctors struggling with this all the time, I see people in the hospital struggling with this all the time.

I have heard doctors say "I can give them all the meds in the world but until they lose some weight, nothing is going to make any difference", I see people outside the cardio-thoracic center (which cares for heart patients), smoking cigarettes, I see their families bringing them in fast food cause they don't like the food.

Doctors can only do what doctors can do. Some are better than others, some are more thorough, some will only go by the book, some will try different treatments.


There is another issue here though, which is being responsible for your own well-being.


There are so many variable with people 'healing' including being optomistic and having a postive outlook.

Not being afraid when you think something is not right and seeing the doctor as soon as possible. Knowing the symptoms of common diseases and taking early action.

My grandfather had a horrible death as he refused to see the doctor until it was too late.

My ex-husband's father died as he had a heart attack at around 5 am, and waited till the GP surgery opened at 8 am to phone the doctor before going to AE/ER. Minutes mean heart muscle, and while he recovered from the first one, he died not long after from a second one.

Doctors are not perfect, I know that myself when I speak to them about patients, they order incorrect tests, they don't always know what the tests they ordered mean, they forget their patients are on other drugs that will give abnormal test results.

Some are absolutely amazing though, for example, one of our haematology consultants was willing to communicate with one of my friend's fathers in Australia as he was in an isolated location and concerned about his polycythaemia. He wasn't going to get paid for that.

I also see the doctors running the bloods into the lab themselves, looking stressed, worried, and seriously concerned about their patients, the GPs that phone in to make sure everything is ok....................

I do request you give people in the medical community a bit of slack.

I would say most do not go into this area for any other reason than wanting to help people. It is often a thankless task, stressful, and if often does not pay that well for the amount of education and continuing training that is required.

PS, with back problems, you have to be asked to be referred to a physio, and in a lot of cases, it is just the combination of keeping moving and a wee bit of rest while it does heal on its own. They can't accelerate healing with any meds.
 
Sorry to offend you. The back thing was merely an example. My point is that doctors only treat symptoms, they don't go to the root of the problem and fix it.
 
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