Bro's we have to be careful

[ronc26k]

and testosterone also causes SEVERE shutdown.. one of the biggest myths out there is that testosterone somehow does not shut you down, it does in a big way as much as any AAS. the only difference is deca and tren throw your prolactin levels off and deca lingers a long time in your system which makes for a lengthy recovery

OK gotta jump in here with my mistakes.

I started working out regularly at 15. (I had been in martial arts since 10 and comps at 13) I knew absolutely nothing of working out except what was in magazines. Alot of what was in mags was about AAS and they were also heavily available in the gym. At 16 my trainer/workout partner (who was 21 at the time) got me going on my first. I didn't know any better as the internet wasn't what it is now. I had a competitive nature and wanted to win. SO I went "on" for 2 years straight without cycling properly. For those that remember Jay Cutler hadnt even turned pro yet and was making magazines at 20 years of age (he turned pro at 23yrs old for those who dont remember). That for me at the time said alot cause everyone knew he was a teenager and wasnt getting the size naturally.

The latter part of the two years I got gyno and had surgery for it at 18yrs of age. It wasnt largely noticeable but it was there, painful, and insurance paid for it to be removed.

Shortly after I was low on energy, couldn't do shit with no sex drive at 19. Went to an endocrinologist and turns out my little 2 year stint caused my system to shut down and led to me being treated with test e.

SO the results of being uneducated and not knowing what to properly take?
The bright side.

• Unlimited prescriptions of test for the remainder of my life.

The down side.

• HAVING to pay for test for the remainder of my life (insurance doesnt cover it),
• Cant have kids, even if I wanted to (this caused stress for my first marriage to breakup)
• Dealing with bullshit when there was a time NO AMERICAN company was producing injectables. Not a legit company that you could buy thru a pharmacy. Only tabs and creams were available-neither worked.
• Alot of scar tissue

I'm on the fence here with the issue for two reasons. At that time in my life IF there had been a forum or somewhere I could have been better educated things would have turned out different. I probably would have still taken them but safer an more educated, even tho NOW I AGREE its too early to take them and I usually tell people to wait till around 23-25 years of age with years of working out under their belt.

For me, forums like this will always provide education to a kid that will take them regardless. At least maybe they take them in a safer manner.

Hopefully they understand after getting on that they dont need them yet but its a hard decision and at that age they arent always thinking correctly. My stand is with everything available today that we didnt have back then to wait. BUT if they are to take something then at least with proper guidance so they dont fuck themselves up like I did at that age.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^ wow man that is one heckuva story and re-inforces what I tell people.. don't open up a can of worms at a young age cause stuff like this can happen. at my age if i was to permanently shut down I can go on HRT. but having to go on at 18 for the rest of your life is awful. pretty much blowing your natural test forever is such a waste.

pretty intense stuff to go through at 19 and it cost you your marriage as well. thanks for sharing that... and even if you had a gf she wouldn't put up with you not having much of a sex drive, especially once guys get into their older 20's and 30's.. the women get hornier and hornier, they won't waste their time on a guy who has a limper.

 

[ronc26k]

I use other BB sites that are quite large as well - They have many many teens + young 20s / but don't seem to discriminate - they advise first not to use AAS and then tell them how to use + when and what to use + doses to use as well. Their theory is...if they're gunna do it anyway, help them minimize damage that they're going to do to themselves.

Just a personal note. I hold this site in higher standards by the members and knowledge here then other sites. I've been on them and seen so much bullshit advice that isnt right going on in those. I left one due to a "teenage" mod that felt if anyone disagreed with his opinion he'd give them a ban for several days. Half his shit was wrong and bullshit anyway.

They are right on the money on this site as to what is right and wrong. The experience you'll get here you wont get anywhere else.

 

[ronc26k]

^^^^ wow man that is one heckuva story and re-inforces what I tell people.. don't open up a can of worms at a young age cause stuff like this can happen. at my age if i was to permanently shut down I can go on HRT. but having to go on at 18 for the rest of your life is awful. pretty much blowing your natural test forever is such a waste.

pretty intense stuff to go through at 19 and it cost you your marriage as well. thanks for sharing that... and even if you had a gf she wouldn't put up with you not having much of a sex drive, especially once guys get into their older 20's and 30's.. the women get hornier and hornier, they won't waste their time on a guy who has a limper.

I tell ya bro, I regret it everyday but accept it for what it is. I fucked up and cant change it. I wish someone would have kicked my ass in gear at that age.

Lol nothing says embarrassing than word getting out that you need gyno surgery at that age. I still remember wearing the compression bandage right after surgery and how much that shit sucked. Yeah the no sex drive sucked bad when your in shape, have women around all the time and cant seem to perform lol. fuck it, live and learn lol.

 

[Stryker1992]

I use other BB sites that are quite large as well - They have many many teens + young 20s / but don't seem to discriminate - they advise first not to use AAS and then tell them how to use + when and what to use + doses to use as well. Their theory is...if they're gunna do it anyway, help them minimize damage that they're going to do to themselves.

Bro...this argument can be made about anything. The bottom line is the earlier you start abusing you body the greater the risk of long term damage. Smoking and drinking are two good examples...they are legal and have side effects way worse than steroids. There are age limits set on them for a reason.

Secondly, knowledge is something that comes with intellectual maturity, advisement, and experience. We hold a strong ethical code here to minimize any harm done. We are looking to help people stay healthy and make informed, mature choices.

Interrupting your body during development for any reason can cause significant deleterious impairment in growth...closing of grwoth plates, permnanet suppression, hypogonadism, prolactin issues...etc.etc.


BTW:

you definition of "cycling" is not on target.

Cycling is using steroids on and off at different intervals.

Stacking is taking more than one compound at a time..

and test is the most frequently used AAS in some form alone.

Finally...if you are under 21..this is not the correct forum on here for you
We do not care how they roll on other boards...

THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE! THE MOST ELITE COMMUNITY IN EXISTENCE...

in conjunction with Needto's forums over on needtobuildmuscle.net

Hang out here and there and you will really learn...

 

[oklahoma86]

If they are the type thats gonna do what they are gonna do anyway, then they dont need custom tailored advice to minimize damage, they need the truth regardless. Give them the right advice (You arent old enough, you dont need it in the first place, its a mistake you cant take back, plus any anecdotal support from you or those you know) and if they dont like it, thats on them. They may be too young to make an educated decision on this but they are grown enough to, usually on this site, at least drive a car... so that means they arent CHILDREN. If they are just gonna do it anyway, they will have to comb through other posts on this site from people just starting out and learning who ARE old enough, but not in their exact position, and hopefully through that research proccess of finding the backdoor way to good advice maybe learn something to truly educate them in the proccess. Dont feel like you are minimizing damage when the truth is it is going to be a problem either way. If they are dead set on figuring out how use steroids, there is enough archived in the threads for them to do it, but dont spoon feed them... a lot of times when you start to research, even if you think its a shortcut or a way around the advice that members wont give, it ends up and teaches you how much you really dont know!

 

[Stryker1992]

Did you know that the D.A.R.E. program caused in increased in illicit drug abuse at an earlier age after the onset of the "educational" program...?


So ladies and gentlemen...education is not always the key!

 

[stevesmi]

I tell ya bro, I regret it everyday but accept it for what it is. I fucked up and cant change it. I wish someone would have kicked my ass in gear at that age.

Lol nothing says embarrassing than word getting out that you need gyno surgery at that age. I still remember wearing the compression bandage right after surgery and how much that shit sucked. Yeah the no sex drive sucked bad when your in shape, have women around all the time and cant seem to perform lol. fuck it, live and learn lol.

I wonder if you can try coming off HRT and running a very long PCT with hcg, HMG, natty supps and SERM's.. have you talked to your endo about this? I dunno how old you are now but I don't see the harm in giving it a shot. we had a poster on here a little while ago who was on juice for like 20 years straight then came off and ran a very strong PCT. he has a log up somewhere, maybe someone remembers and can post it for you? I think Zyglamail might be the guy to talk to about this, he is one of the smartest guys on here when it comes to PCT

 

[Iluv2b_free]

Stevesmi - I have no intentions of using AAS anytime soon. Many years down the road (maybe). I am not asking any specific questions toward AAS use for 1 reason - get trolled by all members do to age - and 2nd reason - ALL of the information needed are posted throughout the steroid section of the forum. - ANYONE at ANY age could come on here - read the information (if understand) and then produce a cycle and complete it with minimal sides IF they read and understood the information. And IF they manage to read all about cycling + PCT without finding an actual cycle - they could easily follow other peoples cycles based on the research they have done on the AAS they are interested in + the test. They researched on for the properties they contain. That said - some sources include premade cycles + PCT You can buy in packs.

Also in no way shape or form did I suggest "changing your rules", nor did I suggest that you inform anyone about the subject.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^its all good, the post wasn't necessarily geared at you, but also to others reading.. I would even suggest saving a lot of whats on this thread and giving it to your friend.. rons story specifically is very eye opening...

and i've got lots of stories from not just young guys but inexperienced guys who got themselves in messes. i've been helping them through PM try and get recovered.. sadly some like ron just don't recover and have to deal with the consequences he wrote above