Bro's we have to be careful

[Jaxtwo1]

You talk about frustrating. I actually was asked to leave a board becuase I made a comment about 16 year olds using juice. Heres the deal, We know nothing. They know everything. Bad things only happen to other people. I deal with people like this everyday. I have been working with a kid for 2 years now. Often times I would give him advice. and of course, he didn't follow it. He knew better, and made bad choices. Just last week, I was talking with his family and his mother said that her biggest fear was that we were going to end up burying him. Wednesday, that is exactly what we did. He commited suicide Sunday. On Thursday I was suppose to meet with another guy and he was suppose to start in-patient treatment. I have worked with him in the past and knew him well. Wednesday night he overdosed. Are these extreme examples? yes. Both of these individuals have told me in the past that these things would never happen to them. Its always the same story and it never gets easier. And I am tired of looking parents in the eye and not having an answer when they ask me why I didn't do something.

 

[kx250rider]

This issue scares me a lot, as this forum is a very valuable tool for real people who need real answers. Sadly, Big Brother does not use common sense in making laws and decisions, and if something ever does happen with a young athlete, and the information (or misinformation) involved, is from here, it could cause all kinds of problems. I am VERY careful to say it straight and clear when I suspect somebody is too young, or shouldn't be here for one reason or another. I also state in every thread where some kind of dosage or medical-related question is asked; "I AM NOT A DOCTOR, and I am sharing personal experience only, and I DO NOT SAY IT'S OK for you or anyone else!!!", or something like that.

Too many times, has the Internet bred a great thing, only to be cut down by Big Brother. Look at Napster... That was a great thing, until people started sharing free copies of late-produced music, and irritating the whole entertainment industry. You cannot get stuff on iTunes that you could get on Napster, and I think the freedom of filesharing might be gone altogether soon. Same could happen here. I am a mod on a site dedicated to owners of Toyota cars and trucks, which can be retrofitted with foreign-market Toyota Diesel engines to get better MPG than any US car, hybrid or otherwise. We're constantly getting good links bumped off mysteriously, especially when it's something to do with getting around (LEGALLY) the smog laws in California.

Charles

 

[ronc26k]

I wonder if you can try coming off HRT and running a very long PCT with hcg, HMG, natty supps and SERM's.. have you talked to your endo about this? I dunno how old you are now but I don't see the harm in giving it a shot. we had a poster on here a little while ago who was on juice for like 20 years straight then came off and ran a very strong PCT. he has a log up somewhere, maybe someone remembers and can post it for you? I think Zyglamail might be the guy to talk to about this, he is one of the smartest guys on here when it comes to PCT

Yeah Ive been to 3 doctors with same outcome. More tests being ran but nothing. I'm on doc number 4 now and hes more optimistic. Im definitely interested in checking out the log and trying it out. I'll send Zyglamail a pm. Thanks bro!

 

[theemperor]

you guys have natural high levels of test at that age.. he is merely suppressing his own natural test and shutting production down and introducing foreign test.. thats why its unnecessary for guys under 25 to juice (i know that will hurt many feelings on here but its true) you can put your body in an anabolic and androgenic state at that age through working out hard, eating well, and with the many supplements(gear/bridge/creatine/powerchews) that are out there. you won't have as good as results as AAS of course but it will be pretty damn close.

also testosterone can cause gyno, and testosterone also causes SEVERE shutdown.. one of the biggest myths out there is that testosterone somehow does not shut you down, it does in a big way as much as any AAS. the only difference is deca and tren throw your prolactin levels off and deca lingers a long time in your system which makes for a lengthy recovery

Funny you talk about gyno in this post, I was watching I guess its called housewives or something like that but one of the housewife's brother had taken roids at age 18 into age 20. Well, now he is 25 years old and has gyno(bitch tits) and it was not pretty, he had to have surgery . Dr. looked sad for him. Whats the fact here?? Young people are clueless into what they are getting themselves into and also anyone else for that matter but in this real life TV show, it showed that young man having to deal with gyno and it was not pretty.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^there is a dude at my gym who you can tell ran roids before.. he is bulked up and strong.. but he has a bad case of gyno.. he is no more than 19. probably got on deca at 16 and stayed on for 6 months or something, and then ran it 3 or 4 more times.. i feel sorry for the guy, hopefully he figures out there are options for him.

 

[Stryker1992]

^^^there is a dude at my gym who you can tell ran roids before.. he is bulked up and strong.. but he has a bad case of gyno.. he is no more than 19. probably got on deca at 16 and stayed on for 6 months or something, and then ran it 3 or 4 more times.. i feel sorry for the guy, hopefully he figures out there are options for him.

I train with a guy that has gyno like you would not believe. He is such a moron and continues to run major cycles without any anti -e's.

He has boobs that are awesome..

 

[bcock]

My belief is that you never know how old someone is so the best thing to do with ANY newbie is to give very conservative advice. This advice of 500 mgs of test and 200 mgs of deca is ABSURD. What's wrong with telling someone just to do a couple of dbol a day? And these days if they add some stuff like GEAR and BIG BLAST they'll grow way more than was possible for most of us in the beginning.

If they're serious they're going to love feeling stronger and they'll train harder and they'll be happy. If not, they weren't serious in the first place. And if they happen to be underage, they won't hurt themselves so badly.

Agree. I can't believe the numbers some people recommend for newbies. I've been in this game for almost 20 years and never done the amounts some folks recommend to first time users.

 

[stevesmi]

I'm actually gonna start recommend newbs take a couple dbols a day for 4 weeks with an AI on hand for a first cycle.

 

[needtogetaas]

The rules is no steroid advice to anyone under 21. if you do not like that i can show you the door its that simple.
Me on the other hand I did my first royally fucked up cycle at 17 lmao..

 

[Stryker1992]

The rules is no steroid advice to anyone under 21. if you do not like that i can show you the door its that simple.
Me on the other hand I did my first royally fucked up cycle at 17 lmao..

lol....and look at you now!