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Brock Lesner--UFC

Frank Mir vs. Brock Lesnar (265-pound limit)

Round one: Lesnar with a take down instantly. Lesnar raining down punches!!! Wait the ref stops the fight and takes a pt away from Lesnar for hitting the back of the head. Lesnar rocks Mir with a HUGE right!!!! Lesnar raining down HUGE hammer fists!!!! Mir goes for an arm bar!!! But Lesnar escapes!!! Mir locks in a leg lock and thats it!!! Its over!!! Lesnar was absolutely destroying Mir and then out of nowhere Mir locks in a knee bar.

Final result: Frank Mir defeats Brock Lesnar via submission (kneebar) in round one
 
^yupt.better than i was expecting.i put money on mir coz i knew he would tap out brock.but brock looked real good till the sub.
 
Serves Brock right for running his mouth like than then having to tap in the first minute of the fight...lol My buddy is a BJJ Blackbelt and called the fight. I love to see when somebody talks trash and is put in there place.

Just remember Royce Gracie he fought people that outweighed him by almost 100lbs and would submit them. It's not always about size but the skill of the fighter.
 
Liquid2006 said:
he is a big bitch.
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big bitch??? are you kidding me??? Brock was absolutely dominating, landing 20+ hammerfists in a row. Brock is going to be one of the most dominating heavys in ufc history. He got caught, that was it. And i seriously doubt you would call brock a big bitch to his face.
 
brock did a bad choice of opponent .. i saw this also .. brock was kickin the living shyt out of him, till mir got a hold of his foot.. brock should have fought a striker instead of the brazil judo guys ,he prob could have overpowered a striker .. u need awesome defense to beat brazil judo and he dont have it yet
 
Once brock learns more about submission avoidance he is going to be a force.
 
big_daws said:
big bitch??? are you kidding me??? Brock was absolutely dominating, landing 20+ hammerfists in a row. Brock is going to be one of the most dominating heavys in ufc history. He got caught, that was it. And i seriously doubt you would call brock a big bitch to his face.
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HELL YEAH! 1000% Correct!!

When he learns a few more skills, WATCH OUT!!

I thought it was cool that kurt angle, undertaker, and stonecold were all there cheering him on.
 
Needless to say Brock need more experience in mma, I would hesitate to write him off just yet. Most of the "Greats" have at least a couple losses, there is a learning curve in this sport. I saw video of him training he is still rough around the edges.
 
Mir got a lucky break when the fight was stopped for the punch in the back of the head and he knows it, he was done. No chance at stopping the take downs from Brock and getting beat down. In the UFC experience counts and Brock put himself in a bad position and paid for it.
 
"Last I heard he was down to 246. "
not true.for the officila weigh-in he weighed on the dot 265.the limit for the hw class.so likely he cut @least 20lbs to weigh in that.wouldnt be shocked if he weighed @least 280-300 during fight time.
 
BOWTECH said:
Serves Brock right for running his mouth like than then having to tap in the first minute of the fight...lol My buddy is a BJJ Blackbelt and called the fight. I love to see when somebody talks trash and is put in there place.

Just remember Royce Gracie he fought people that outweighed him by almost 100lbs and would submit them. It's not always about size but the skill of the fighter.
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I don't remember Brock talking any trash at all. I would consider the way he acts on the mic and in interview as a class act. I'm no black belt but I have trained in BJJ for a couple years and Brock isn't a well rounded fighter for MMA...yet. He is a beast however who knows how to fight like a barbarian and I am sure he is capable of knocking out a lot of guys in the UFC right now.
 
I agree with the comments above, he is just a beast that will be unstoppable when he learns how to fight. He mauled mir's face in seconds and did not let up and just look at the guy, he's a tank. Mir is a pussy for submitting him.
 
pre fight interview brock said he was doing very little wrestling training due to all the experience he has in wrestling and that he was focusing on striking. looks like he got to focused on striking in the fight and forgot about mir's great submision abilities and got caught bigtime. good learning lesson for him. brock looks like he got off the juice as he doesnt look as hard as he did when he was on wwe.
 
b_light said:
I agree with the comments above, he is just a beast that will be unstoppable when he learns how to fight. He mauled mir's face in seconds and did not let up and just look at the guy, he's a tank. Mir is a pussy for submitting him.
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How is Mir a pussy for submitting him??? Submissions are his bread and butter. It is as much a part of fighting as anything else.

Calling Mir a pussy for sumbitting someone is like telling Chuck Liddel he is a pussy for knocking someone out.
 
Mir saw brocks weakness.
Brock has a big upper body ,small legs and calves

When mir was asked why he did what he did.
his response was Brocks legs were leaner then his arm

polite way of saying brock was top heavy and had small legs
so I went for his legs
 
I don't understand how Mir kept from pissing himself as he looked across the octagon at that giant. I expected the submission... but damn! Lesner was rockin the shit out of Mir!! Some better defense against the submissions and Brock could be the new face of heavyweight UFC...
 
theperfectdrug187 said:
I don't understand how Mir kept from pissing himself as he looked across the octagon at that giant. I expected the submission... but damn! Lesner was rockin the shit out of Mir!! Some better defense against the submissions and Brock could be the new face of heavyweight UFC...
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Brock compared to him was not a giant,
when you look at the two side by side in the vid of the fight i posted above.
Mirs arms look just as big.brock has big traps shoulders and chest
but small legs
look at the call out weights in the start of the vid
they are both 6'3 and maybe 20lbs away from each other in weight
 
The weigh in Mir was 255lb and Lesnar 265lb. When they entered the ring I'm sure Mir was the same weight as the weigh in and I wouldnt be surprised if Brock was 25lbs heavier. They had to special make Brock's gloves because the XXL's don't fit the dudes gigantic hands and I don't care what anyone says a 280lb guy with hands so big that don;t fit in the XXL gloves trying to squash your face is a threat for any fighter. The whole logic hehind Jiu Jitsu is size doesnt matter...unless the arms or legs are too thick to get a hold of but I don't think the outcome of that match surpirsed anyone who knows anything about MMA.
 
I kept waiting for Brock to Jump onto the top of the cage and "tag-in" Kurt Angle or the Undertaker.

Seriously, Brock was overwheliming Mir for the first half of that round. His size and take down ability are going to be difficult for most opponenents. Lesnar vs Heath Hering, or Maybe Tim Silvia would be a decent match up for Brock.

And lets not forget they threw him to the wolves by making him fight Frank Mir. I mean, its not like he was fighting Tank Abbott or some other loser.
 
The only reason that fight should have been stoped due to a "punch to the back of the head" was to end it because Mir wasn't intelligently defending himself any longer , but rather turning away from the punches and jusrt happened to catch an unintentional blow to the back of the head. What a break for Mir! Lesnar will be unstoppable with a little more experience. I doubt he'll ever step into anyone's guard ever again. He should have let Mir get up and then put him right back down for more beating time. Credit to Mir though for pulling it out in the end. When they eventually rematch them for the title the ending will be different.
 
alchemist said:
The only reason that fight should have been stoped due to a "punch to the back of the head" was to end it because Mir wasn't intelligently defending himself any longer , but rather turning away from the punches and jusrt happened to catch an unintentional blow to the back of the head. What a break for Mir! Lesnar will be unstoppable with a little more experience. I doubt he'll ever step into anyone's guard ever again. He should have let Mir get up and then put him right back down for more beating time. Credit to Mir though for pulling it out in the end. When they eventually rematch them for the title the ending will be different.
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I thin mir was very smart he just took the punches knew he could last just long enough to lock a leg or arm and win the fight.

Brock can have all the power and brut force in the world
That will not stop someone from breaking his leg or arm
 
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a bitch??

What the fuck are you guys talking about?

The guy got in the cage and fought.
 
Why can you do some gay ass leg lock but can't hit the back of the head?
 
lesnar was guaranteed 250,000 for fighting and an extra 200,000 for winning...mir was gauranteed 40,000 and another 40,000 for winning.. so even tho lesnar lost he still made 250,000 compared to mirs 80,000
 
kmoe42 said:
lesnar was guaranteed 250,000 for fighting and an extra 200,000 for winning...mir was gauranteed 40,000 and another 40,000 for winning.. so even tho lesnar lost he still made 250,000 compared to mirs 80,000
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Where did you hear that? Do you know when and who he will fight next?
 
lartinos said:
Why can you do some gay ass leg lock but can't hit the back of the head?
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It's a Nevada State Athletic Commission rule. You can easily cause a concussion, cause brain damage, cause paralysis, and cause organ failure with a well placed blow to the back of a skull. You have no opportunity to tap to avoid this.

NSAC rules also state that a fighter knocked unconscious cannot fight for at least 3 months and after a medical clearance. If an athlete is beaten unconscious, he's out of circulation for that time and not making promoters money.

Worst case scenario with that "gay ass leg lock" Mir put on Lesnar is ligament tears around the knee and perhaps broken shin bones. You may limp for the rest of your life if your heel is twisted hard, but you will still live a fairly normal life.
 
The UFC matchmakers should have given Lesnar an easier fight with a name opponent like Kimo Leopold.

Also someone mentioned pitting him against a striker. Personally I think that is a bad idea until Lesnar's jaw gets tested by an inferior striker.

You guys who say things like all he needs to do is pick up submissions have to realize that effective submission fighting is a skill set at least as important as wrestling and as technically demanding. Lots of guys just cannot pick it up. Striking is similar. It is a totally different skill set from wrestling. These are skills you don't just pick up easily and then you have the skill of integrating all of these skills into a smooth transitioning package. Look at Kevin Randleman. He is one of the NCAA's most legendary wrestlers and after years in MMA what can he do? Wrestle. He can't fight off the bottom, his striking is so-so, his submissions are almost nonexistent.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
It's a Nevada State Athletic Commission rule. You can easily cause a concussion, cause brain damage, cause paralysis, and cause organ failure with a well placed blow to the back of a skull. You have no opportunity to tap to avoid this.

NSAC rules also state that a fighter knocked unconscious cannot fight for at least 3 months and after a medical clearance. If an athlete is beaten unconscious, he's out of circulation for that time and not making promoters money.

Worst case scenario with that "gay ass leg lock" Mir put on Lesnar is ligament tears around the knee and perhaps broken shin bones. You may limp for the rest of your life if your heel is twisted hard, but you will still live a fairly normal life.
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well, thanks for the in depth answer........
I still think if they are going to make anything illegal it should be gay/boring moves like leg locks illegal. One fucked up leg and a guy will never fight again as you stated. You should be able to punch a guy wherever you want. If I want rules like that I'll watch boxing. Even though in a fight one of these mixed martial artists could kick a boxer's ass, these fights don't even compare to a good 10 round boxing match.
 
lartinos said:
Why can you do some gay ass leg lock but can't hit the back of the head?
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If you got put into that same leglock I *PROMISE* that you would not be calling it "gay ass"....

But I do see your point, and I miss the old style "anything goes" rules, however they felt they could not grow until they introduced enough rules to make it into a "sport". I don't agree with that logic but that's what I heard the reason is.
 
bluejay said:
If you got put into that same leglock I *PROMISE* that you would not be calling it "gay ass"....

But I do see your point, and I miss the old style "anything goes" rules, however they felt they could not grow until they introduced enough rules to make it into a "sport". I don't agree with that logic but that's what I heard the reason is.
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yeah, i get the whole reasoning why. But to watch a guy who should get his face beat in use these faggety rules to purposely lean his head forward knowing if brock hit him he would "get in trouble". In a real fight it just seems like brock would have fucked him up and that is my real problem with this whole thing.
 
lartinos said:
yeah, i get the whole reasoning why. But to watch a guy who should get his face beat in use these faggety rules to purposely lean his head forward knowing if brock hit him he would "get in trouble". In a real fight it just seems like brock would have fucked him up and that is my real problem with this whole thing.
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I think lots of guys saw a different fight than I did. That blow to the back of the head happened while Mir was working a sweep to put Lesnar on his back. The call that got the fight stood up favored Lesnar as much as Mir. It gave Lesnar the opportunity to strike and take Mir down again and avoid the sweep. Lesnar never had Mir in any real danger. He scored a few takedowns and noogied Mir, but never hurt him. Lesnar makes a lot of fundamental mistakes like not underhooking on the ground which crafty fighters can easily exploit.

In regards to banning submissions, don't be surprised to see them start disappearing. It will start with spine and neck locks and then probably move to twisting knee locks. I'm not sure of the statistics, but when injuries are had by submissions, it is often by neck cranks and even more often by twisting knee locks.

You're missing the marketing element of the big picture. The UFC wants to be mainstream, so over time more rules will be added and more violence removed. In the earlier UFC's there were no gloves, no weight classes, and no time limits. All fighting techniques were legal except fish hooking, biting, and gouging. There was one fighter victorious at UFC 2 that won mainly due to repeated groin strikes to his downed opponent. The UFC suffered an American pay-per-view ban in the later mid 1990's due to it's violence. To keep the law on it's side, the UFC must appease politicians and I think the UFC did so by aligning with the NSAC.

If you want something a bit closer to "real fighting", I refer you to 'Rio Heroes'. It's a bareknuckle that league has rules, but they are much fewer than the UFC.
 
MMA is a new sport...alot of people have not relized the skill that goes into all the submissions....I enjoy a good sub as much as a big KO. Lesner did pretty good for a guy that has a year or so in BJJ training. Lets remember, he was fighting a former UFC champ. Not shabby.
 
BOWTECH said:
Serves Brock right for running his mouth like than then having to tap in the first minute of the fight...lol My buddy is a BJJ Blackbelt and called the fight. I love to see when somebody talks trash and is put in there place.

Just remember Royce Gracie he fought people that outweighed him by almost 100lbs and would submit them. It's not always about size but the skill of the fighter.
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Well remember Royce Gracie had unbelievable skill the guy was grappling at 4 years old typically when some is much bigger and stronger your in trouble that is why they have weight classes but sometimes skill out weighs strength and mass but in a general sense not often. In Brock and Frank's
case Frank is far more skilled then Brock by a long country mile
 
I personally like to watch a good fight with strong elements of BJJ. There is so much going on if you know what they are doing. I don't find submissions boring.
 
I know a lot of you guys love Brock cuz he was an the WWE, etc, but unfortunately he has a lot to learn to do well in MMA. He could probably beat some scrubs very easily with that tackle and pound shit, but a skilled grappler is going to see right through that and take advantage of his lack of knowlege, as Mir did.
 
ufc is an awesome sport in regards to the skill level of these fighters. you never know whts going to happen next. i think removing things like submissions takes out a skill source and removes an advantage a fighter has that can use his head evn while puches are raining down on him. i think it took alot of guts for mir to simply not put his hands over his head until the ref stopped it. instead he kept his composier and beat him. Ive seen some visious submission holds like a standing choke hold where i thought the guys head was gonna pop off. ive also seen a fighter work his way out of leg lock that looked like his leg was broken until he got out of it and somehow he was fine. but then theres tim silvia who got his arm broken in an arm bar waiting to long to tap. some of these guys just refuse to lose letting themselves go unconsious rather than tap. for the most part submissions are out of the game 3-4 minutes into the first round due to the amount of sweat buildup and its alot easier to pull out. brock just needs to smarten up and use his head so he doesnt get caught so easily early in the fight.
 
I lost money on that fight, lesner will be pretty tough if he can work on not getting cought in a submission and learn that you cant just lay on someone and use hammer fists.
 
n1tro said:
I personally like to watch a good fight with strong elements of BJJ. There is so much going on if you know what they are doing. I don't find submissions boring.
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I agree with you. I mainly train in BJJ and submission, so that is of course my area of interest. Most people who do not train, cannot see what is going on due to the extreme subtle motions of BJJ. How many times have you been grappling and known that if you could just slide something over a fraction of an inch or slightly tip your weight in a certain direction, you would have a submission or vast improvement in position? It's almost invisible to a camera. Effective BJJ and submission is more about the set ups for the submissions than the submissions themselves. You can have an encyclopediaful of submission locks, but if you can't set them up and transition when you lose them you are worse off than the guy that knows only a few basic submissions, but has really strong transitions and set ups ability. I'm sure strikers and wrestlers will see their art the same way.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I think lots of guys saw a different fight than I did. That blow to the back of the head happened while Mir was working a sweep to put Lesnar on his back. The call that got the fight stood up favored Lesnar as much as Mir. It gave Lesnar the opportunity to strike and take Mir down again and avoid the sweep. Lesnar never had Mir in any real danger. He scored a few takedowns and noogied Mir, but never hurt him. Lesnar makes a lot of fundamental mistakes like not underhooking on the ground which crafty fighters can easily exploit.

In regards to banning submissions, don't be surprised to see them start disappearing. It will start with spine and neck locks and then probably move to twisting knee locks. I'm not sure of the statistics, but when injuries are had by submissions, it is often by neck cranks and even more often by twisting knee locks.

You're missing the marketing element of the big picture. The UFC wants to be mainstream, so over time more rules will be added and more violence removed. In the earlier UFC's there were no gloves, no weight classes, and no time limits. All fighting techniques were legal except fish hooking, biting, and gouging. There was one fighter victorious at UFC 2 that won mainly due to repeated groin strikes to his downed opponent. The UFC suffered an American pay-per-view ban in the later mid 1990's due to it's violence. To keep the law on it's side, the UFC must appease politicians and I think the UFC did so by aligning with the NSAC.

If you want something a bit closer to "real fighting", I refer you to 'Rio Heroes'. It's a bareknuckle that league has rules, but they are much fewer than the UFC.
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I of course did not see what you saw with Mir, and I'm sure he may have had the possibility of doing something. His face was also pretty fucked up from those punches as well, you can only take so many before you're done.
 
highspeed2112 said:
Just thought id throw this in...Lesner lost 1st round to Frank Mirr by submission...Lesner is still one big some bitch..lol
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seen a clip of the fight, the submission is the only thing that cuaght him
 
Brock seemed to go all out on this and it sure as hell took some guts to fight a submission fighter/ former champ. He seemed to train as hard as he could, which is very admireable to me.
If anyone can learn submission defense in a short period of time, it will be him---his work ethic in unquestioned.
 
I watched it again and you can kinda tell that mir was pulling some good moves (not entertaining ones) there at the end that brock had no idea how to combat. I will tell you that brock is easy to root for and will intimidate many people because he is a big, quick, and scary son of a bitch. Brock seemed to have him in much better position the first time when the gay penalty was called too.
 
lartinos said:
I watched it again and you can kinda tell that mir was pulling some good moves (not entertaining ones) there at the end that brock had no idea how to combat. I will tell you that brock is easy to root for and will intimidate many people because he is a big, quick, and scary son of a bitch. Brock seemed to have him in much better position the first time when the gay penalty was called too.
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What works well for guys like Lesnar who can get the takedown and have the speed to move to the side fast is a forearm drop. Instead of hammerfisting he can push Mir's head down with his right hand to hold it still, then drop his weight from the hand holding Mir down while curlling his holding hand up to strike with the elbow or forearm. It's literally the opposite motion of the hammerfist. Randy Couture uses it a lot as does Tito Ortiz.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
What works well for guys like Lesnar who can get the takedown and have the speed to move to the side fast is a forearm drop. Instead of hammerfisting he can push Mir's head down with his right hand to hold it still, then drop his weight from the hand holding Mir down while curlling his holding hand up to strike with the elbow or forearm. It's literally the opposite motion of the hammerfist. Randy Couture uses it a lot as does Tito Ortiz.
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You seem to be very educated on the sport. What is your impression on his future in the UFC. Can a guy at age 30 and just learning submissions/striking actually make a short term career out of it? I would think if he has a couple more performances like this, he will not be seen in the UFC much longer.
 
big_daws said:
Are you fcking stupid or just blind?
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Neither. Just an educated fan and trainer who's been armchair coaching MMA since UFC 1, trained in folkstyle wrestling, currently training in BJJ and submission for 4.5 years, train and spar with low to mid-high level pro fighters routinely (I trained with Jorge Rivera grappling specific before his fight with Terry Martin), and have had 2 full contact san shou matches. I've got an idea of what hurts and what does not.

If you seriously think Mir was hurt, NSAC rules allow a fighter to take up to a five minute break to recover after an illegal blow. Do you know how much time Mir took? None. If he was hurt, he would have milked the clock.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
What works well for guys like Lesnar who can get the takedown and have the speed to move to the side fast is a forearm drop. Instead of hammerfisting he can push Mir's head down with his right hand to hold it still, then drop his weight from the hand holding Mir down while curlling his holding hand up to strike with the elbow or forearm. It's literally the opposite motion of the hammerfist. Randy Couture uses it a lot as does Tito Ortiz.
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thanks for that explanation, very interesting.
 
lazer84 said:
You seem to be very educated on the sport. What is your impression on his future in the UFC. Can a guy at age 30 and just learning submissions/striking actually make a short term career out of it? I would think if he has a couple more performances like this, he will not be seen in the UFC much longer.
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A guy with the athletic skills and extremely strong wrestling base like Lesnar can. I think Randy Couture was 30 when he started and he became not only a standout, but also evolved skillwise with the sport. I think a guy like Lesnar can make a career out of MMA. I think with his existing skill level, he could even beat some high level competitors. I think more care needs to be directed toward Brock Lesnar's development. He's a big name and draws fans, so they put him in the main card too soon. His pre UFC fame will help him get fights against big fighters, but they wont pay him quarter of a million to slap around non-contenders.

The UFC may not want Lesnar around long. He may be there just to increase fan base. He is a really expensive prospect.
 
Brock lesnar is going to be a force to reconed with in about a year he has all the skills except the ju jit zu he when he was asked about his skills he said he is improving and knows how to do and arm bar now. thats a joke you have to know alot more then that so why he chose to go up against the most skilled submission fighter in the heavy weight division possibly even in the top ten of the ufc i dont know but as soon as he learns to avoid submission and continues to train in iowa with pat miletich and his guys he will become one of the best ufc heavy weights of all time
 
miletichman said:
Brock lesnar is going to be a force to reconed with in about a year he has all the skills except the ju jit zu he when he was asked about his skills he said he is improving and knows how to do and arm bar now. thats a joke you have to know alot more then that so why he chose to go up against the most skilled submission fighter in the heavy weight division possibly even in the top ten of the ufc i dont know but as soon as he learns to avoid submission and continues to train in iowa with pat miletich and his guys he will become one of the best ufc heavy weights of all time
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#1) He trains at a place about ten miles from me, and its not in Iowa.
#2)Learn to use commas and periods once in a while.
#3)Congratulations on your first post. :)
 
miletichman said:
Brock lesnar is going to be a force to reconed with in about a year he has all the skills except the ju jit zu he when he was asked about his skills he said he is improving and knows how to do and arm bar now. thats a joke you have to know alot more then that so why he chose to go up against the most skilled submission fighter in the heavy weight division possibly even in the top ten of the ufc i dont know but as soon as he learns to avoid submission and continues to train in iowa with pat miletich and his guys he will become one of the best ufc heavy weights of all time
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He's been away from Miletich for a while. He trains in Minnesota with Minnesota Martial Arts Academy, the same team as Sean Sherk I think. In fact the UFC is already using a Miletich rivalry between Tim Silvia and Brock Lesnar to hype a future match.
 
Sorry for that Joe.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
He's been away from Miletich for a while. He trains in Minnesota with Minnesota Martial Arts Academy, the same team as Sean Sherk I think. In fact the UFC is already using a Miletich rivalry between Tim Silvia and Brock Lesnar to hype a future match.
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Yes Sean also trains at MMAA. He is an instructor too.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
A guy with the athletic skills and extremely strong wrestling base like Lesnar can. I think Randy Couture was 30 when he started and he became not only a standout, but also evolved skillwise with the sport. I think a guy like Lesnar can make a career out of MMA. I think with his existing skill level, he could even beat some high level competitors. I think more care needs to be directed toward Brock Lesnar's development. He's a big name and draws fans, so they put him in the main card too soon. His pre UFC fame will help him get fights against big fighters, but they wont pay him quarter of a million to slap around non-contenders.

The UFC may not want Lesnar around long. He may be there just to increase fan base. He is a really expensive prospect.
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I honestly think he is in a great place now--competitive environment. He has taken advantage of his name for a couple big paydays, but who wouldn't. I like how the UFC is treating him as just another fighter, as much as they can because of his name.
I'm a little biased, I live in Lakeville MN as well---know a few of his friends who wrestled at the U with him. He doesn't need the big money to continue at this point of his career---apparently. We will see---he may want to spread his fights out and wait for a while to fight a top notch submission artist. I like his chances against any striker.
 
Nogueira vs. Mir
sylvia vs. Lesnar

That would seem to be the better match ups. But that's just me.
 
b_light said:
Mir is a pussy for submitting him.
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Whatever you little sh1t. Id love to see Mir break your leg in two if you said that to him while in that hold. See who the pussy is with you crying your eyes out.

You ever entered a fighting competition? I fought for 3 years ( amateur boxing ) and nobody talks like that about other fighters who have the balls to enter a ring and throw down. Cowards like you were made to watch fights.
 
mir got lucky against someone who is not fit or trained in submissions hes washed up if you ask me and hes next fight is going to surprise alot of people when he gets knocked out or even submitted. Brock has a good future in the ufc as long as he continues to train with the pat miletich and his camp. people like matt hughes, spencer ficsher,tim sylvia, and robbie lawler will only make him better and stronger.
 
KD1 said:
Whatever you little sh1t. Id love to see Mir break your leg in two if you said that to him while in that hold. See who the pussy is with you crying your eyes out.

You ever entered a fighting competition? I fought for 3 years ( amateur boxing ) and nobody talks like that about other fighters who have the balls to enter a ring and throw down. Cowards like you were made to watch fights.
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it's sad when a fighter has to apoagize after WINNING a fight cuz it was "not exciting" ..or cuz he didn't "knock out" his opponent ..as I've seen happen

or apologize for tapping out

fact is, in the streets, MIR would have broken his leg and then Brock would have been left at his mercy

the crowd wants blood ..and that "highlight reel" knock out ..they have no idea what they are looking at ..so they have no appreciation for the talent it takes to avoid being knocked out or submitted ..or the skill it takes to "check mate" your opponent game and neutralize his skills & strengths ..to them it's just boring
 
THE GOOD SUN said:
it's sad when a fighter has to apoagize after WINNING a fight cuz it was "not exciting" ..or cuz he didn't "knock out" his opponent ..as I've seen happen

or apologize for tapping out

fact is, in the streets, MIR would have broken his leg and then Brock would have been left at his mercy

the crowd wants blood ..and that "highlight reel" knock out ..they have no idea what they are looking at ..so they have no appreciation for the talent it takes to avoid being knocked out or submitted ..or the skill it takes to "check mate" your opponent game and neutralize his skills & strengths ..to them it's just boring
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Actually to be honest if it was in the streets, there would be no ref to stop the "punches" to the back of the head. Brock would of just kept pounding him into the ground and eventually killed him if not stopped. , lol he is a big bitch.
 
Liquid2006 said:
Actually to be honest if it was in the streets, there would be no ref to stop the "punches" to the back of the head. Brock would of just kept pounding him into the ground and eventually killed him if not stopped. , lol he is a big bitch.
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if it were in the streets nether one would be getting paid
so i doubt they would have even fought.
 
KD1 said:
Whatever you little sh1t. Id love to see Mir break your leg in two if you said that to him while in that hold. See who the pussy is with you crying your eyes out.

You ever entered a fighting competition? I fought for 3 years ( amateur boxing ) and nobody talks like that about other fighters who have the balls to enter a ring and throw down. Cowards like you were made to watch fights.
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hahaha, I especially like the last part of your statement. I would rather get my head beat in by being punched then my shoulder ripped out of its socket personally...anyone who calls submission fighters pussys has never fought one....period.
 
Liquid2006 said:
Actually to be honest if it was in the streets, there would be no ref to stop the "punches" to the back of the head. Brock would of just kept pounding him into the ground and eventually killed him if not stopped. , lol he is a big bitch.
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Actually you don't know that. Mir could have *JUST* as easily slinked back into guard or half-guard (which he was actually probably in the midst of doing if you watch his hips) and pulled a sweep. While I am sure that fury of Hammerfists were not fun, they were by no means messing up Mir to the point he didn't know where he was. Don't be fooled because some Hollywood style flashy verbose loud-mouthed announcer (Mike Goldberg) starts screaming at the top of his lungs. He tends to exaggerate the damage being done by things that LOOK flashy and that get a big meat head crowd response. When they were stood up again after the warning, Mir took NO time AT ALL to recover from the rabbit punch, indicating he was obviously not hurt.
 
THE GOOD SUN said:
it's sad when a fighter has to apoagize after WINNING a fight cuz it was "not exciting" ..or cuz he didn't "knock out" his opponent ..as I've seen happen

or apologize for tapping out

fact is, in the streets, MIR would have broken his leg and then Brock would have been left at his mercy

the crowd wants blood ..and that "highlight reel" knock out ..they have no idea what they are looking at ..so they have no appreciation for the talent it takes to avoid being knocked out or submitted ..or the skill it takes to "check mate" your opponent game and neutralize his skills & strengths ..to them it's just boring
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LOL ..."In the streets". WTF....it's a sport not a street fight. By the way...my dad can take your dad in a fight.
 
bjj-guy said:
more the MMA world caught up and fights became more well-rounded and learned submission grappling
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Royce was never considered a good BJJ competitor by competitive standards even during the first UFCs. Rorion Gracie who came up with the idea exporting Vale Tudo to the US from Brazil wanted an unintimidating, "average" looking guy to wipe the floor with monsterous guys from other disciplines as to promote Gracie Jiu-jitsu. The original UFC's were essentially informercials for Gracie Jiu-jitsu.
 
bluejay said:
Actually you don't know that. Mir could have *JUST* as easily slinked back into guard or half-guard (which he was actually probably in the midst of doing if you watch his hips) and pulled a sweep. While I am sure that fury of Hammerfists were not fun, they were by no means messing up Mir to the point he didn't know where he was. Don't be fooled because some Hollywood style flashy verbose loud-mouthed announcer (Mike Goldberg) starts screaming at the top of his lungs. He tends to exaggerate the damage being done by things that LOOK flashy and that get a big meat head crowd response. When they were stood up again after the warning, Mir took NO time AT ALL to recover from the rabbit punch, indicating he was obviously not hurt.
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I think that is Goldberg's gimmick. He's a decent announcer, but acts like a little kid watching the fights. He gets all excited about seeing sudden bursts of action, then starts rambling almost as if he suffers from some form of ADD.

When that starts, Joe Rogan will often try to reel him in and explain what is going on from his vantage point. That role reverses back and forth through the entirety of all the matches.
 
alchemist said:
LOL ..."In the streets". WTF....it's a sport not a street fight. By the way...my dad can take your dad in a fight.
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wow ..you really captured exactly what I meant in my post :rolleyes:

..can we be friends?
 
THE GOOD SUN said:
wow ..you really captured exactly what I meant in my post :rolleyes:

..can we be friends?
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Yes I did capture exactly what you meant in your post. You said it ....not me. And NO we can't be friends lol. Did I mention that my dad can take your dad in a street fight, to point out how assinine your post is?
 
alchemist said:
Yes I did capture exactly what you meant in your post. You said it ....not me. And NO we can't be friends lol. Did I mention that my dad can take your dad in a street fight, to point out how assinine your post is?
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yep ..you got me :rolleyes: .....man, you're sharp!! ..not like all these other morons ..lol


..but what really bothers me is that we can't be friends ..cuz that's just not very "Brady-like"


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ug oh! ..don't look now ..but I think you just out-smarted yourself!!
 
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I think that is Goldberg's gimmick. He's a decent announcer, but acts like a little kid watching the fights. He gets all excited about seeing sudden bursts of action, then starts rambling almost as if he suffers from some form of ADD.

When that starts, Joe Rogan will often try to reel him in and explain what is going on from his vantage point. That role reverses back and forth through the entirety of all the matches.
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Dude my favorite MMA play-by-play announcer is Stephen Quadros hands down. I used to really enjoy the early PRIDE FC days when it was the announce team of him and Bas.
 
Brocks manager should be fired for getting brock that fight, they through him to the wolves in his second mma fight. i am not a mir fan by any means but truth be told he is a bbj specialist and a former champion. if the ufc keeps this up they are going to turn the sport into another pro wrestling type thing. people have to earn fights! i fought for 5 years, i have over 6 times the fights as brock and 12 of those were wins. the ufc might as well sign Kimbo Slice and kurt angle and whoever else that has a name that think they can fight mma. FIGHTERS NEED TO EARN THERE FIGHTS. there are alot of boxers, wrestlers, kickboxers, mui tai, but there are very few good mma fighters. they must keep it separated until they earn it. Brock should be fighting someone like Heath Herring next, not tim silvia. my 2cents
 
timber1976 said:
Brocks manager should be fired for getting brock that fight, they through him to the wolves in his second mma fight. i am not a mir fan by any means but truth be told he is a bbj specialist and a former champion. if the ufc keeps this up they are going to turn the sport into another pro wrestling type thing. people have to earn fights! i fought for 5 years, i have over 6 times the fights as brock and 12 of those were wins. the ufc might as well sign Kimbo Slice and kurt angle and whoever else that has a name that think they can fight mma. FIGHTERS NEED TO EARN THERE FIGHTS. there are alot of boxers, wrestlers, kickboxers, mui tai, but there are very few good mma fighters. they must keep it separated until they earn it. Brock should be fighting someone like Heath Herring next, not tim silvia. my 2cents
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Brock will beat Tim Sylvia pretty easily--TS has not been able to do well on his back and his submissions are subpar. Ever since his failed AS test, he has declined as well.

Unfortunately, the UFC is about making money and the PPV with Brock was a huge payday.
 
alchemist said:
LOL ..."In the streets". WTF....it's a sport not a street fight. By the way...my dad can take your dad in a fight.
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LOL in the streets ,,,, All i keep seeing in my mind is stallone and tommy GUN morrison going at it and rocky beating his ass " my ring is outside " from rocky 5
 
lazer84 said:
Brock will beat Tim Sylvia pretty easily--TS has not been able to do well on his back and his submissions are subpar. Ever since his failed AS test, he has declined as well.

Unfortunately, the UFC is about making money and the PPV with Brock was a huge payday.
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i think brock will destroy tim silvia, might even retire him, but brock definately does not deserve to fight silvia. big differrence! I wish the Ufc would have signed Fedor, there is a true fighter, the best fighter the world has ever seen. the ufc is paying brock more $$$ than fedor's camp wanted for a fight deal! very dissapointing! like u said it turned into a money thing.
 
timber1976 said:
i think brock will destroy tim silvia, might even retire him, but brock definately does not deserve to fight silvia. big differrence! I wish the Ufc would have signed Fedor, there is a true fighter, the best fighter the world has ever seen. the ufc is paying brock more $$$ than fedor's camp wanted for a fight deal! very dissapointing! like u said it turned into a money thing.
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Agree--it is kind of sad. I think they could of sent Brock through the natural progression and made just as much money in the long run. By no means is it his trainers call.
 
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