Brock Lesner--UFC

[lazer84]

What works well for guys like Lesnar who can get the takedown and have the speed to move to the side fast is a forearm drop. Instead of hammerfisting he can push Mir's head down with his right hand to hold it still, then drop his weight from the hand holding Mir down while curlling his holding hand up to strike with the elbow or forearm. It's literally the opposite motion of the hammerfist. Randy Couture uses it a lot as does Tito Ortiz.

You seem to be very educated on the sport. What is your impression on his future in the UFC. Can a guy at age 30 and just learning submissions/striking actually make a short term career out of it? I would think if he has a couple more performances like this, he will not be seen in the UFC much longer.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Are you fcking stupid or just blind?

Neither. Just an educated fan and trainer who's been armchair coaching MMA since UFC 1, trained in folkstyle wrestling, currently training in BJJ and submission for 4.5 years, train and spar with low to mid-high level pro fighters routinely (I trained with Jorge Rivera grappling specific before his fight with Terry Martin), and have had 2 full contact san shou matches. I've got an idea of what hurts and what does not.

If you seriously think Mir was hurt, NSAC rules allow a fighter to take up to a five minute break to recover after an illegal blow. Do you know how much time Mir took? None. If he was hurt, he would have milked the clock.

 

[lartinos]

What works well for guys like Lesnar who can get the takedown and have the speed to move to the side fast is a forearm drop. Instead of hammerfisting he can push Mir's head down with his right hand to hold it still, then drop his weight from the hand holding Mir down while curlling his holding hand up to strike with the elbow or forearm. It's literally the opposite motion of the hammerfist. Randy Couture uses it a lot as does Tito Ortiz.

thanks for that explanation, very interesting.

 

[crazyjoe]

Are you fcking stupid or just blind?

Its true, lesnar's little rabbit punches were not doing any damage.

 

[crazyjoe]

Are you fcking stupid or just blind?

BTW have some respect too

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

You seem to be very educated on the sport. What is your impression on his future in the UFC. Can a guy at age 30 and just learning submissions/striking actually make a short term career out of it? I would think if he has a couple more performances like this, he will not be seen in the UFC much longer.

A guy with the athletic skills and extremely strong wrestling base like Lesnar can. I think Randy Couture was 30 when he started and he became not only a standout, but also evolved skillwise with the sport. I think a guy like Lesnar can make a career out of MMA. I think with his existing skill level, he could even beat some high level competitors. I think more care needs to be directed toward Brock Lesnar's development. He's a big name and draws fans, so they put him in the main card too soon. His pre UFC fame will help him get fights against big fighters, but they wont pay him quarter of a million to slap around non-contenders.

The UFC may not want Lesnar around long. He may be there just to increase fan base. He is a really expensive prospect.

 

[miletichman]

Brock lesnar is going to be a force to reconed with in about a year he has all the skills except the ju jit zu he when he was asked about his skills he said he is improving and knows how to do and arm bar now. thats a joke you have to know alot more then that so why he chose to go up against the most skilled submission fighter in the heavy weight division possibly even in the top ten of the ufc i dont know but as soon as he learns to avoid submission and continues to train in iowa with pat miletich and his guys he will become one of the best ufc heavy weights of all time

 

[bluejay]

Jacob knows his shit.

 

[crazyjoe]

Brock lesnar is going to be a force to reconed with in about a year he has all the skills except the ju jit zu he when he was asked about his skills he said he is improving and knows how to do and arm bar now. thats a joke you have to know alot more then that so why he chose to go up against the most skilled submission fighter in the heavy weight division possibly even in the top ten of the ufc i dont know but as soon as he learns to avoid submission and continues to train in iowa with pat miletich and his guys he will become one of the best ufc heavy weights of all time

#1) He trains at a place about ten miles from me, and its not in Iowa.
#2)Learn to use commas and periods once in a while.
#3)Congratulations on your first post.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Brock lesnar is going to be a force to reconed with in about a year he has all the skills except the ju jit zu he when he was asked about his skills he said he is improving and knows how to do and arm bar now. thats a joke you have to know alot more then that so why he chose to go up against the most skilled submission fighter in the heavy weight division possibly even in the top ten of the ufc i dont know but as soon as he learns to avoid submission and continues to train in iowa with pat miletich and his guys he will become one of the best ufc heavy weights of all time

He's been away from Miletich for a while. He trains in Minnesota with Minnesota Martial Arts Academy, the same team as Sean Sherk I think. In fact the UFC is already using a Miletich rivalry between Tim Silvia and Brock Lesnar to hype a future match.