Boycott The Movie: Pearl Harbor

[ORGANON CANON]

Sometimes its better if we close our ears and our minds off to the things we don't want to hear.

Just what I was thinking. Chesty starts going on about how many people died in Pearl Harbour, well how many soldiers, ooops, I mean civilians did those little "revenge nukes" kill. I await a worthy argument from you.

 

[ryker77]

This is SAD !!
Chesty is the only one who has the guts to stand up for those who gave thier lives fighting for our American rights. And all you tree-huggin pukes can think about is war is bad. Well no shit. But when you are faced with an enemy that is willing to do anything to take over your RIGHTs then you can either fight or be a pussy and run.
I am heated over this cause my grandpa and his four brothers fought in WWII and one didn't come back.

Organon Canon you have no clue as to what the Jap Army was willing to do to win the war. We could have sent in the troops and lost a huge number of American fighting mens lives. We could have also just sat at home and let the Japanese take over our country. Just how many American civilian would have lost thier lives in that scenerio?

 

[danielson]

well, most agree (i.e. those that dropped the bomb, and thiose who made it), that they didnt have to drop it to end the war. japan was prepared to surrender before the dropping of it as their navy layed in tatters and they had a fast decreasing airforce.

ther bomb was more to do wirth the US (and the UK) showing off their new weapon to the world and demonstrating to the russians they had the ultimate weapon. the US refused Japans surrender unless they surrendered unconditionally. most agree that the surrendercould have been accepted but that would mean the bomb wouldn't have been able to have been used outside a test (and they already did that at trinity). hiroshima and nagisaki did, for one thing, provide accurate information of the effects of the blast on children and adults, how any birth defects would last for many years, where in radius from ground zero most fatalitites would die etc.

oh and tree-hugging pukes? equating a lack of patriotism with a strong belief in environmentalism is kinda flawed dont ya think (and probably what governments take great glee in, when they realise the majority of the populace view environmanetalist like this)

this film should be about the horrors of war, and what happens when 1 country strikes another. i hope they, like in tora, tora, tora focus in on the fact that the US potentially could have done more to protect their fleet (and if the carriers were in port that wouldn have been america effectiovly finished navally), and equally the piss poor japanese reason their declaration of war didnt make it stateside in time.

 

[purevil]

No shit Wodin! That soup does kick ass havoc!

 

[ORGANON CANON]

This is SAD !!

Organon Canon you have no clue as to what the Jap Army was willing to do to win the war. We could have sent in the troops and lost a huge number of American fighting mens lives. We could have also just sat at home and let the Japanese take over our country. Just how many American civilian would have lost thier lives in that scenerio?

I know just as well as you do my friend. I had several relatives in this war including my Grandfather who went in at 18 and came out 24. He was there for the hole things and watched every single one of his friends die. I have heard many stories, but Pearl Harbour is just one of the many battles of the WWII and it sounds to me like you think the attack was outta the blue. You do realize they had a reason for comming right?

 

[tomcat]

HELLO!! Ever hear the expression "ALL's FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR"?
I doubt there is a single Country(except maybe canada jk) that hasn't committed some level of atrocity
against it's Enemy's, It's Enemy's Civilians or even it's own people during War Time.
The Difference to me is whether or not that Goverment accepts responsibility and tries to help re-build afterwards.

The US, Germany Italy, Japan, UK etc. all have tried at different levels to get over the wars and also keep dragging up issues that occured.

Remember... WAR IS HELL, not FAIR... All we can do is minimize the number of conflicts we have, and try to limit thier losses..

 

[Anodyne]

Bigotry

I totally agree with Cyberflash and a number of others. Times have changed and people have changed. We live in a world that is more harmonious with less paranoia. Every nation has had its share of evils, whether they like to admit it or not. What the Germans and Japanese did was attrocious, but then again Vietnam and all of that shit was bad too. I'm totally sick of reading threads posted which blatantly promote racism, homophobia and all kinds of shit. Some of you bros are equating the ethic of bodybolding into an anarchistic philisophy which includes putting down others, like a survival of the fittest kind of thing. This is bullshit! Bodybuilding is about improving oneself to the best of one's ability and that includes mentally, with a healthy respect for not only oneself but those around us. Sorry to say this friend, but I get the impression that you (Dread Lord Good Guy) are an ignorant racist. And the worst thing is you probably don't even know it, 'cos u can justify it with crap like self-rigteousness for a historic war which has been forgotten in the corridoor of time and forgiveness. A war that you had no part in and which is not of your time. Think carefully about what u say.

 

[GLP]

Fucking A to Chesty and the other bro who agreed with him!

 

[danielson]

sorry, my oprofile should read london, england

dont worry about the flame thing, i take little on the internet personally, and were just debating shit anyhows so it aint like u insulting me. i keep forgeting theres a london in america, or canada or something.

as for what i said about the japs wanting to surrender, yes, they were looking to get out of the war. publicly the emperor was like 'we fight to the end' but in some program referring to the nukings on BBC2, historians and those that were around then have said that japan wanted to give up, but not unconditionally, it had a lot of conditions that would have been possibly unfair to the US or something, but anyhow the US was having none of it. they wanted a full surrender, the japs not knowing any better went screw it, and then the nukes happened.

but the scientists that developed the bomb were being told to build it quickly as they may not get a chance to use it + it was needed to demonstrate to other countries (i.e. russia) that the US was now very powerful. now i wasnt saying that the US should do a land assault 'cos if it were a choice between a land assault and crippling your enemy from the air in one blast, most would choose the bomb, plus japans very mountainous and all that. but what im saying is they could have accepted the surrender on those conditions. the information is based of what peole have said (the scientist might be feeling a bit guilty after building that bomb in the first place), none of its been officially released so it might be a little suspect. but its likely to be true, for instance its unlikely they would have agreed to your huge presence on okinawa (thank sod they did though because if not, who knows what the chinese and russians would be geting up too!)

 

[cyberflash]

AS I HAVE SAID TIMES HAVE CHANGED and !!!

THE JAPS OWN HAWAII NOW ... SORRY GUYS ...

AND THE GOVERNOR OF HAWAII IS ASIAN ...

In case you didn't know, when Japs became an Economic superpower in the 1980s and 1990s, they bought all the hotels and resorts in Hawaii ....

they even bought Hollywood ... maybe you should carefully look at the stockholders of these companies.

What the Japs failed to accomplish with military power in the 1940s .... THEY SUCCEEDED with economic power in the 1980s and 1990s ....

Now, they own Hawaii ... as I've said "times have change" ... sure, we defend our rights ... but now ... that's for sale .... you've been had !