Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Very simple response to this and Ercole was the only one to hit a fairly valid/proven point(although i gave up after page 2 and went straight to page 5). African American males on avg have higher INTRAMUSCULAR fat levels and lower SUBCUTANEOUS fat levels. Very simple... this makes their muscles look bigger and their fat layer look thinner. As for the other arguments... athleticism etc... pick your own justification as there are too many possible causes for any one to be right.
Black vs. White physique
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Hugh Gellatts
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while we are on the subject, why are samoans big?
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The best boxers are black...but UFC...the real deal....doesn't it tend to be the white guys more often?
I dont buy into that, c'mon that was awhile ago and I dont think it was enough time to make such a HUGE difference.
I was just thinking about this recently and i came up with pretty much the same conclusion as this
it just makes more sense than the KKK version of blacks and muscle.
AnabolicusEroticus
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Okay, unlike most of you I don't have to state that I'm not racist or any such stupid PC safe comments to defend myself. Also, in regard to the otriginal poster inthis thread, when you said that you saw some black guys who were hacked, why did you have to also add that you are not gay? Are you that fucking homophobic that you can't mkae a compliment to a guys physique without questioning your sexuality?
The fact of thr matter is blacks (I refuse to call blacks born in the US, as well as their ancestors for more than several generations as african americans. You don't see whites in America called Dutch American if they're even born in Amstetrdam or whatnot so that's just another bullsit PC euphenism), have superior genetics to building muscle mass in their upper body. They also genereally have an easier time of acquiring and retaining lean, low bodyfat physiques. So from that viewpoint they are genetically superior for building muscle in the upper body. Although this is statemenmt is only partially true.
Whites, again in general, have a far better genetic predisposition for building legs. Plain and simple, this cannot be objectively denied. You see a lot of black guys with jacked upper body's but lacking in the legs department. Whereas the majority of the best legs in the sport were and are sported by white people. And calves, plain and simple are a mahor weak point in black people due their high calf insertions, which make them superior to their white counterparts at jumping and performance sports like sprinting, but inferior in building great calf development. The longer insertions in the calves of most whites, allow for more mmuscle fibers and size in that muscle to undergo hypertophy for growth.
The fact of thr matter is blacks (I refuse to call blacks born in the US, as well as their ancestors for more than several generations as african americans. You don't see whites in America called Dutch American if they're even born in Amstetrdam or whatnot so that's just another bullsit PC euphenism), have superior genetics to building muscle mass in their upper body. They also genereally have an easier time of acquiring and retaining lean, low bodyfat physiques. So from that viewpoint they are genetically superior for building muscle in the upper body. Although this is statemenmt is only partially true.
Whites, again in general, have a far better genetic predisposition for building legs. Plain and simple, this cannot be objectively denied. You see a lot of black guys with jacked upper body's but lacking in the legs department. Whereas the majority of the best legs in the sport were and are sported by white people. And calves, plain and simple are a mahor weak point in black people due their high calf insertions, which make them superior to their white counterparts at jumping and performance sports like sprinting, but inferior in building great calf development. The longer insertions in the calves of most whites, allow for more mmuscle fibers and size in that muscle to undergo hypertophy for growth.
was arnold african????weider said that arnold had the best genetics,......
AUSTRIAN!!!
No...just a joke!! you need the genetic to gear..everybody reacts different...u can nt say somebody how is 100kg witout lifting will become better than somebody who is 70kg !!you just need genetic to gear and to stay healthy all the long cycles to the mr.o!!!hahaha
AUSTRIAN!!!No...just a joke!! you need the genetic to gear..everybody reacts different...u can nt say somebody how is 100kg witout lifting will become better than somebody who is 70kg !!you just need genetic to gear and to stay healthy all the long cycles to the mr.o!!!hahaha
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Adaptek said:
How do you explain the diesel ones in Africa? I just think that God blessed them as a race because of all the shit they've been put through
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AnabolicusEroticus said:
Good points, drop the hyphenated-american stuff. We're all just Americans as far as I'm concerned.
The calf issue is right on. Guys like Flex Wheeler are suspected to have calf implants. It's not a bad trade off though, powerful upper body and good speed. Makes for a good football player's physique.
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Hugh Gellatts said:
They are just big people, I had 4 Samoan roommates in college and they were all big even the little ones are big. One was named little Ed. Little Ed weighed about 220. He was little compared to the other Samoan guys and girls. Samoans are just big people. I think they are actually the largest race of people not by height but by weight. I would contribute this to once again breeding, they come from a few small Islands in the Pacific and did not mix much with the smaller pacific islanders, such as Tahitians or Tongans and there fore they became larger. Another reason, they are big is they like to party and they like to eat A LOT!!! Samoans are very family oriented people and their culture is such that meal-time is a time when the extended family gets together and they just eat and have fun, their diet is also loaded with starches and pork. They eat alot of starchy and fatty foods, which contributes to their size, it is like a status symbol of sorts, the bigger the better.
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macDbol said:
There are some pretty diesel Africans, my boy showed me pictures of his friends and family over from Nigeria, and they're fucking pretty diesel.
I just don't think they have the slave owners to thank for their bodies.
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First of all, excellent synopsis of the whole heat dissipation leading to better physiques thing.
So all blacks, or humans of African descent, have an advantage in that regard.
Then a bunch were enslaved and brought over in horrid conditions, it makes me shudder to even think about it. I don't know how much of it was selective breeding and how much of it was just survival of the fittest, but the fact is only the ones that were best able to withstand those kinds of conditions survived to reproduce.
One question we have to ask is, are the characteristics that allowed blacks to survive the boat ride over and the rough treatment at the hands of their masters the same thing as being ripped and strong? Does the ability to survive wretched conditions lead to better physiques?
That said yes it is true that genetic selection can occur in a very short period. So the whole weeder theory as far as the characteristics of American blacks is valid. A good example of this is cannabis sativa. The weed of today is up to 10x more potent than the weed of even 30 years ago because of selective breeding. So if it can happen for weed it can certainly happen for humans.
Finally, on the issue of academic performance, it has been shown that kinds who grew up in a very unstable enviroment (e.g. the inner city) had much lower academic performance and aptitude than kids from a more stable environment. And this was permanent. Here's why:
When a person always has to keep their wits about them because they are always scared that they are going to get jacked or beat up or locked out of their house or (eaten or smushed) or whatever, their brain chemistry changes. The brain tends to adapt to a quick-decisions making mode. Evolutionarily this makes sense. In highly dangerous environment the one who can react the fastest survives. And the problem is when you are in early childhood your neural connections are still being made and eventually your brain is "hard-wired" into this mode.
Doing well on a test of academic performance requires you to be able to calmly go over different options, digest information, and come to a rational conclusion. Unfortunately inner city kids and all kinds of kids from unstable environments permanently lose their aptitude for this kind of thought at a very early age. It is one of the true tragedies of society that we allow this to occur. It makes me very sad just to think about it.
Everyone who reads this should be grateful for an upbringing and present circumstance that allows them to read and ponder heavy issues such as these in an intelligent, analytical manner. There are hundreds of thousands of people who will never get the chance.
JC
So all blacks, or humans of African descent, have an advantage in that regard.
Then a bunch were enslaved and brought over in horrid conditions, it makes me shudder to even think about it. I don't know how much of it was selective breeding and how much of it was just survival of the fittest, but the fact is only the ones that were best able to withstand those kinds of conditions survived to reproduce.
One question we have to ask is, are the characteristics that allowed blacks to survive the boat ride over and the rough treatment at the hands of their masters the same thing as being ripped and strong? Does the ability to survive wretched conditions lead to better physiques?
That said yes it is true that genetic selection can occur in a very short period. So the whole weeder theory as far as the characteristics of American blacks is valid. A good example of this is cannabis sativa. The weed of today is up to 10x more potent than the weed of even 30 years ago because of selective breeding. So if it can happen for weed it can certainly happen for humans.
Finally, on the issue of academic performance, it has been shown that kinds who grew up in a very unstable enviroment (e.g. the inner city) had much lower academic performance and aptitude than kids from a more stable environment. And this was permanent. Here's why:
When a person always has to keep their wits about them because they are always scared that they are going to get jacked or beat up or locked out of their house or (eaten or smushed) or whatever, their brain chemistry changes. The brain tends to adapt to a quick-decisions making mode. Evolutionarily this makes sense. In highly dangerous environment the one who can react the fastest survives. And the problem is when you are in early childhood your neural connections are still being made and eventually your brain is "hard-wired" into this mode.
Doing well on a test of academic performance requires you to be able to calmly go over different options, digest information, and come to a rational conclusion. Unfortunately inner city kids and all kinds of kids from unstable environments permanently lose their aptitude for this kind of thought at a very early age. It is one of the true tragedies of society that we allow this to occur. It makes me very sad just to think about it.
Everyone who reads this should be grateful for an upbringing and present circumstance that allows them to read and ponder heavy issues such as these in an intelligent, analytical manner. There are hundreds of thousands of people who will never get the chance.
JC
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Very Well Put
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Please remember, that you have many various types of bodies here, there are pygmies who are 4 feet tall, and there are tribes with 8 foot guys (Manut Bol, etc), and then you have in betweeners, and you have Urkel types as well. Africa is a huge place, and frankly they are going to adapt to their environment as all humans do over thousands of years.
We also had preferential breeding being done here during the slave trade years, take the big women and sometimes only 1 big male who's sole job as slave would be to impregnate other women, I'm sure I can find at least one story of this kind in some history books I have.
Overall however they do have higher test levels than whites, and people of the orient are usually on the bottom of the scale. Thats just how things go, people are different in all kinds of ways, BFD. I'm white, and not genetically predispositioned to carry tons of muscle, not that wide etc, but am happy that I at least didn't end up short as so many people local to me seem to be, so overall find a way to be happy with what you've got and just work with it.
We also had preferential breeding being done here during the slave trade years, take the big women and sometimes only 1 big male who's sole job as slave would be to impregnate other women, I'm sure I can find at least one story of this kind in some history books I have.
Overall however they do have higher test levels than whites, and people of the orient are usually on the bottom of the scale. Thats just how things go, people are different in all kinds of ways, BFD. I'm white, and not genetically predispositioned to carry tons of muscle, not that wide etc, but am happy that I at least didn't end up short as so many people local to me seem to be, so overall find a way to be happy with what you've got and just work with it.
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Krazzylad said:
In some parts thier regular message passing included running 50 miles each way for communication, when drums wont reach the village over then you run to pass on info about upcoming trade etc
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Amen Bro.
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Hugh Gellatts said:
Same as with Africans. Pacific islands can only handle so many people so it was customary for pioneers to head out in groups to find new territory where they could be the boss. They did this in frickin' row boats. If you observe the Pacific ocean you will no doubt notice it is damn big and the islands are really, really far apart. These journeys weeded out the skinny phenotype, that's a long time to be exposed to extremes of temperature on the open ocean.
"The results support the hypothesis that exposure would have been a major problem for Neolithic voyagers in the Pacific, and the likelihood of strong direction selection for a muscular phenotype. The survival proportions for all groups were less than anticipated. For example survival proportions in summer for males of intermediate physique across a range of latitudes from 12oS to 25oS are 62, 56, 19, 5 and zero. For all groups, whatever their range of survival, there is a rapid decline in survival beyond 15o latitude, and this association of survival with latitude was, in statistical terms, highly significant. For any group there is an approximately 5% decline in survival for each degree movement away from ten degrees of latitude, with an average male/female difference in survival of 5% in summer and 3% in winter, to the advantage of the males.
The inference is that the impressive Polynesian muscularity has evolved not for locomotor purposes but as a metabolic heat source. The particular muscle fibre type predominantly involved in shivering (an isometric contraction) is Type IIb, or fast twitch6,7,8. We suggest that people of Polynesian ancestry are likely to show a genetically-determined preponderance of this muscle fibre type."
http://www.monash.edu.au/APJCN/Vol4/Num4/44p354.htm#top
Samoans are also reputed to be the descendants of people who also survived famine on the way across, for some reason the fishing was poor, so only the fat ones made it.
It's possible that the selective breeding practiced on Africans in America made some difference but I don't know. Selective breeding takes many, many generations. It's not as the same as with marijuana where a generation lasts 60 days (ahem). Some of the Europeans, particularly the Irish in the 1840's had similar mortality rates on the Atlantic journey with no athletic windfall for the gene pool. I'd say if West Africans had an American diet for a couple of generations the results would be the same, or maybe better, as 90% of African-Americans are of mixed African and European ancestry. Look at the way the Japanese shot up after world war II when they imported a different diet.
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Im glad this was discussed. Im not gonna say one race is more superior then the other. I also know that each race has its lazy people. Its a shame that someone who is not Ronnie Colemans size would say that all blacks are lazy. But evryone has an opinion.
Sure I have better genetics, but get the point..."ONLY IN CERTAIN AREAS"! Thats the key. My calves are huge but most of my white friends have small calves. My chest is smaller the most of my white friends have bigger chest's. Genetics being better does not mean "all around". Makes me no better or someone else any better. But there is one thing that "ME" The black guy, my other black friends, my white friends, the KKK and half of Germany will all agree upon......... We all hate a lazy N****R!
FROM A TRUE BLACK MAN!!!!!!!
AS A BLACK MAN!!!!
Im glad this was discussed. Im not gonna say one race is more superior then the other. I also know that each race has its lazy people. Its a shame that someone who is not Ronnie Colemans size would say that all blacks are lazy. But evryone has an opinion.
Sure I have better genetics, but get the point..."ONLY IN CERTAIN AREAS"! Thats the key. My calves are huge but most of my white friends have small calves. My chest is smaller the most of my white friends have bigger chest's. Genetics being better does not mean "all around". Makes me no better or someone else any better. But there is one thing that "ME" The black guy, my other black friends, my white friends, the KKK and half of Germany will all agree upon......... We all hate a lazy N****R!
FROM A TRUE BLACK MAN!!!!!!!
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Blacks also look ripped all the time just from the way their color shows the contors of their muscles. A white guy can toatally change the look of his muscles just by getting a dark tan.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with keeping gains easier.
I know for a fact what a "hood cycle" is. Pop a-bombs or d-bol until you feel you are big enough or strong enough. Winny is also real popular.Thats it, no clomid, worrying about diet, protein drinks or anything. People may pop pills for 2-3 months straight take 4 weeks off and start poppin again.
In some rec centers bros pop the pills, lift and then go smoke some weed. Post workout meal my ass. There are a ton of drugs flying around the hood. Juice is easily obtained, alot of people use winny for their pits. The thing is most know nothing about cycling or post cycle, or half the knowledge even the newest newbie has on this board knows and they make great gains.
In the "hood" alot of gains are more strength than mass(although when gained it does seem quality LBM even on drugs that cause water retention). The diets are shitty as hell. Brothers will get a corn beef sandwich or some wings at the corner store, a bag of chips and a snapple, something in between and maybe something else from the store later that night. No 6 meals a day shit. No watching protein intake. LOL You see muthafuckas getting cut off of d-bol like its fina.
But the funny thing is, they keep most of the gains. I brought up clomid to some brothers and they said "how big does that get you?" The 3 most popular drugs are a-bombs,winny and d-bol. Ask about deca,sus,fina or eq and get a "wtf is that shit look"!Brothers in the "hood" will rarely inject. Don't know why, i really don't ask. They just pop orals.
So I really wonder how do different races do when it comes to keeping gains or even altering genetic potential. Do we have some kind of advantage? Cause I am telling you guys, especially vets, if you seen what these folks do in the "hood" you would say no way they will gain or keep shit, but they do. Yet you have some white kid that takes all the protein(400 grams a day), creatine, gear, clomid and ends up with little to show for it. Of course I don't know that much about how white people cycle, only from boards like this, but it tends to be much more advanced and thought out than their innercity brethren.
And you would think there would be an epidemic of "bitch tits" or something. With this thread I am starting to wonder how much is really race related when it comes to gear and what it does to the body.
I wonder if this has anything to do with keeping gains easier.
I know for a fact what a "hood cycle" is. Pop a-bombs or d-bol until you feel you are big enough or strong enough. Winny is also real popular.Thats it, no clomid, worrying about diet, protein drinks or anything. People may pop pills for 2-3 months straight take 4 weeks off and start poppin again.
In some rec centers bros pop the pills, lift and then go smoke some weed. Post workout meal my ass. There are a ton of drugs flying around the hood. Juice is easily obtained, alot of people use winny for their pits. The thing is most know nothing about cycling or post cycle, or half the knowledge even the newest newbie has on this board knows and they make great gains.
In the "hood" alot of gains are more strength than mass(although when gained it does seem quality LBM even on drugs that cause water retention). The diets are shitty as hell. Brothers will get a corn beef sandwich or some wings at the corner store, a bag of chips and a snapple, something in between and maybe something else from the store later that night. No 6 meals a day shit. No watching protein intake. LOL You see muthafuckas getting cut off of d-bol like its fina.
But the funny thing is, they keep most of the gains. I brought up clomid to some brothers and they said "how big does that get you?" The 3 most popular drugs are a-bombs,winny and d-bol. Ask about deca,sus,fina or eq and get a "wtf is that shit look"!Brothers in the "hood" will rarely inject. Don't know why, i really don't ask. They just pop orals.
So I really wonder how do different races do when it comes to keeping gains or even altering genetic potential. Do we have some kind of advantage? Cause I am telling you guys, especially vets, if you seen what these folks do in the "hood" you would say no way they will gain or keep shit, but they do. Yet you have some white kid that takes all the protein(400 grams a day), creatine, gear, clomid and ends up with little to show for it. Of course I don't know that much about how white people cycle, only from boards like this, but it tends to be much more advanced and thought out than their innercity brethren.
And you would think there would be an epidemic of "bitch tits" or something. With this thread I am starting to wonder how much is really race related when it comes to gear and what it does to the body.
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