Nate:
It won't necessarily take 4-6 weeks to see any gains, but the MAJORITY of the gains in that period are entirely neurological. The gains you make AFTER the initial rapid gains are where it's at, these are gains from muscle growth. This is why it's best to stick to a program until gains stop, not when they slow, but when they completely stop.
High reps can build some muscle, but not to the degree of lower reps. anything over 15 is really pointless for our purposes.
Liberator:
"If this is the case with high reps at a higher speed, then why do Powerlifters including Westsides method advocate the use of high reps at high speed as a way of contributing to overall increasing poundages? Dont say we are not powerlifters, some of there routines make sense, we all want to increase weight right; due to the correlation between strength gain with weight gain. If you want to keep doing the same routine while at a sticking point in the hope that you'll eventually overcome it, then thats up to you."
This is a classic example of misinterpreting information. Westside does NOT advocate high reps with speed, rather low reps with high speed for multiple sets (i.e. 8x3 with 45 sec rests). The point in this is to increase force production through fiber recruitement. This training is not meant to stimulate muscle fibers, just to recruit them so they can be used in the max lift attempts, thus this method of training is not effective for hypertrophy. You're great at misintrepeting info I guess, bcuz I never said to stick to a routine if you are not progressing, I said to stick to the same routine until you can no longer progress.
"What is the difference between the generation of force through faster reps and the generation of force through slower reps?"
Well, it depends on the degree of effort. If you're still referring to the westside method, then the faster reps are meant to aid the max attempts by allowing more fiber to be recruited...but the fast reps are not meant to stimulate these fibers. I didn't quite understand the Q, though.
"Tell me this and then tell me the muscle doesnt know the difference between the two of them"
Muscle don't possess the ability to think, so how could they determine a difference with their non existent little brains between exercises? The nervous system adapts differently to diffrent stresses by altering MU recruitement patterns, intra and inter muscular coordination, etc...but muscle cannot differentiate between different exercises.
Goahead:
"Medium high reps are usefull in converting type 2b cells into fast-twitch. Offcourse we are
talkin about people that happen to have a lot of them 'intermediate' cells, pure red
musclefibre will not contvert and grow much less than white fiber, HOWEVER they do
grow and theror it would be usefull for people with more red thjan white fibers to LOW
and HIGH reps. While the white fibers have more RELATIVER growth potential, if u have a
lot of red fibers too, this outnumbers the whites and can give you ABSOLUTELY more
musclemass... "
2b cells are fast twitch, "intermediate" fibers are also fast twitch, they just have more oxidative capacity making them more slow twitch like, slow twitch or "red" fibers grow much less than fast twitch and even if they vastly outnumber the FT's the FT fibers will still result in more growth due to their much larger size potential. You know I really hate when people throw around these "scientific" terms when they don't even know what the hell they are talking about..no offense of course
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