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[Shark01]

What great reading this is

I think it's fine if someone pays SC for a diet plan and consultation. In my mind, it's no different than Tiger Woods working with swing coach Butch Harmon. Now why does the best player in the whole freakin world need a coach? Just goes to show you Tiger is a smart SOB too.

Now SC's problem is that he is his own worst enemy. He is sooo quick to pull out the F-bombs and flame instead of highlighting his success stories and standing back feeling confident. Just a word of advice SC.......In business school marketing, we learned that the #1 business in any industry doesn't have to call out #2, they only have to promote their own products. This is why Burger King is constantly comparing themselves to McDonalds, while if you just watched McDonalds advertising you wouldn't know BK even existed.

Now Nelson Montana is another story. He says so many stupid things, I wonder why ANYBODY buys in to his crap. Nutrient timing doesn't matter.........I don't know if this take is funny or just pathetic.

So now you are calling your friends at T-mag scam artists huh? And you stayed there how long? Sounds like you were a member of the scam club yourself

By the way, you owe that guy $50,000 so if you have even a shread of moral fiber you better get the check in the mail.

Shark

 

[Nelson Montana]

Now Nelson Montana is another story. He says so many stupid things, I wonder why ANYBODY buys in to his crap. Nutrient timing doesn't matter.........I don't know if this take is funny or just pathetic.

So now you are calling your friends at T-mag scam artists huh? And you stayed there how long? Sounds like you were a member of the scam club yourself

By the way, you owe that guy $50,000 so if you have even a shread of moral fiber you better get the check in the mail.

Shark [/B][/QUOTE]....................

Okay, genius. You have the floor. Tell me what happened over at T-mag alright? You seem to know better than I do. Bottom line; Charles and I were both let go mainly because we let our opinions be heard about the scam products they were selling. Or maybe you believe Methozy 7 and Myostat acually work? Are you a T-man? If so, you're a bigger fool than your post suggests.

Now again, perhaps you're far more knowledable than I on the subject of nutrition. I've only been involved in this field for 30 years with hundreds of published works but maybe I missed something that you understand in more depth.

All I know is, if someone said something that was contrary to popular thought, I'd be curious why and how he came up with that opinion. If that opinion was backed by logic, I'd investigate it further. But for some reason, some people think an appropriate response is "anyone who thinks that way is stupid and dont by his crap."

Very insightful.

 

[Bulldog_10]

What everyone here is saying is right...It may be another one of those cases where everyone is talking about something different, and they just don't know it.

After reading Nelson's posts for quite some time, I'm beginning to see that he's just a simplist (if that's a word). He believes in low doses, diet is easy, and anything complicated is a lie. And most of the time, there is truth to what he's saying...and people just blow him off. I admit, I was one of those people, and sometimes I still am.

So getting to the topic of this thread:

What Nelson, et al. are saying is that nutrient timing is not critical...and he might take it a step further and say it's useless. If you take John and Jack, and give them the same exact food and tell them to eat this for the day, they will both grow the same amount. Of course, you don't want to eat all the carbs at the same time, and all the fats right after the carbs, and all the protein in the morning...no one is saying it would be a good idea to do that. But if you give those two guys the same food, and you tell John to just eat it as he pleases throughout the day...and you tell Jack to eat the steak and potato at dinner, and most of his carbs in the morning, and no carbs at night, and most of the protein at night...blah blah blah...they will grow the SAME amount if this is done over the course of time.

This is the big thing, nutrient timing can be done completely wrong (huge amount of carbs and fat at the same time, no post-workout drink, taking all vitamins and minerals at the same time) but if you just eat how you want to eat, you will grow just as fast as the person who has it timed out down to the second.

Let's be reasonable, I agree that insulin is a very important hormone in the body, but I don't think anyone really knows how much of an insulin spike you get when you eat a moderate amount of high GI carbs. It's not this super hormone that hoards all the fat in your body and makes you a fat shit...I think the effects of insulin are blown out of proportion by many people on the boards, and even many other people in the "fitness" industry.

But I also think SC is right, in that whereas nutrient timing is not CRITICAL, doing it perfectly over the course of time, MIGHT give you that extra edge. And there might be some things that people are doing wrong and don't even know it. It is good to have someone that's done this before to help you plan it all out. Let's be real, it CAN'T hurt you to time your nutrient intake. It might be more hassle than it's worth, but it's not going to have a negative effect. And I'm sure SC can point out a few things that most people are doing wrong...if your diet is perfect, then great...if not, it might be helpful to have someone take a look at it.

This is where I think it is helpful, if you want to get absolutely EVERYTHING out of your diet, training, etc...nutrient timing can be a good thing...but it's only going to get you so much...maybe one extra pound over a couple years of training...and maybe it won't give you any extra results...you'll never know.

So I think we should just agree to disagree, people are going to believe what they want...and I'm not saying this is a bad thing. If you believe in this, then by all means do it. If you don't believe in it, don't do it...it's as simple as that.

 

[Riker29]

Re: Re: bye........

lol. dont be such a drama queen swole. the doctor i work for does alot of these surgieres, theres no need to worry. you'll survive and be jumping again before you know it

Jeezus, the guy wrote a totally positve, above-baord message and guys say shit like this.
Its a shame that some of you people have such a SHIT view of the world, and of people, that you cant have anything positive to say or experience.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: Re: Re: bye........

Jeezus, the guy wrote a totally positve, above-baord message and guys say shit like this.
Its a shame that some of you people have such a SHIT view of the world, and of people, that you cant have anything positive to say or experience.

I agree...regardless of how minor you may think his problem is...don't give him shit for it. ANY surgery has its risks. And surgery is never a minor deal in someone's life.

Good luck with everything SC, hope everything goes as planned.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Startingly astute post Bulldog! Thanks for keeping it "simple." : )

Yeah, even of timing did ANYTHING, how much will it do, really? Does anyone actually think that some precise timing will add pounds of muscle to their physique over the course of a year? A few ounces? An ounce?

I guess you can strip down my philosophy to this: Life is too short to pine over every morsal of food you eat for what will result in no appreciable gains. But if someone wants to do it,....

 

[Shark01]

Okay, genius. You have the floor. Tell me what happened over at T-mag alright? You seem to know better than I do. Bottom line; Charles and I were both let go mainly because we let our opinions be heard about the scam products they were selling. Or maybe you believe Methozy 7 and Myostat acually work? Are you a T-man? If so, you're a bigger fool than your post suggests.

Now again, perhaps you're far more knowledable than I on the subject of nutrition. I've only been involved in this field for 30 years with hundreds of published works but maybe I missed something that you understand in more depth.

All I know is, if someone said something that was contrary to popular thought, I'd be curious why and how he came up with that opinion. If that opinion was backed by logic, I'd investigate it further. But for some reason, some people think an appropriate response is "anyone who thinks that way is stupid and dont by his crap."

Very insightful.

I don't claim to be any sort of expert. You do, and then come off like a jackass when someone doesn't agree with you. Your credibility level drops with every post you write that calls people you don't have any idea about fools.

The only thing I know about T-mag, is that they still have your articles posted. Of course now a little bit more of the story is exposed. I guess you didn't have any problems with them being scam artists for several years before you were let go I haven't purchased any of the supplements you hyped for years over there. And how many of these "hundreds" of published works are in support of those scam supplement products?

Like some people have said, if nutrient timing doesn't matter why shouldn't I eat all of my 4,000 calories right before bedtime? This idea is soooo stupid, I don't think I could find someone who would fund such a study Give normal humans with limited intelligence (as you are fond of implying) a little credit for the obvious.

I hope the guy who gets your $50,000 check has fun with it.......or maybe he can do something productive and buy one of SC's diet plans

Oh, and Mr. published author it's......"don't BUY his crap"

 

[Bulldog_10]

Like some people have said, if nutrient timing doesn't matter why shouldn't I eat all of my 4,000 calories right before bedtime? This idea is soooo stupid, I don't think I could find someone who would fund such a study Give normal humans with limited intelligence (as you are fond of implying) a little credit for the obvious.

See post #83.

 

[sk*]

Such hypocricy and scam on this thread from all parties. Does anyone else see it?

-sk

 

[Bulldog_10]

Such hypocricy and scam on this thread from all parties. Does anyone else see it?

-sk

I must be missing something...