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[bicepts101]

So basically:


Juice Gorilla is getting ripped;

Swolecat knows his shit;

Nelson has his period;

and Variation worships Satan;

right?

LOL nicley put dude

 

[Nelson Montana]

You know what's funny?

Those of us who post and also sell products, such as macro and myself and ulter and a few others...we also give advice, answer questions and get our share of heated arguments. Yet, this guy SC has done nothing but use this board for his personal self promotion and for some reason, he's everyone's darling.

I guess the newest toy shines the brightest.
All I'll say is, diet isn't rocker sciece. But if you want to pay someone to hold your hand fine -- I just don't like having insults cast towards me or anyone else for that matter just because we're not lining up to suck this guys dick.

I don't know. Maybe I do have my period.

 

[white boy]

So basically:


Juice Gorilla is getting ripped;

Swolecat knows his shit;

Nelson has his period;

and Variation worships Satan;

right?

yep & slobberknocker's a funny motherfucker

 

[Wyllis]

heres my 2c's;

In my humble opinion both Nelson and SC are right and very knowledgeable in thier own ways.

I thaught the US was a free country and everyone was free to express their opinion which is only what Nelson was doing. He happens to disagree with the fact that nutrient timing works. I however disagree with him and agree with SC that nutrient timing is one of the best ways to maximise the effects of a well constructed diet. However having said that I believe that if you dont time your macronutrients you will still grow and get results, but after all its about maximising the results from the tools we have, isnt it?

I dont think Nelson was flaming SC and agree with him that if you do a little bit of research then you can construct a diet for yourself that will suit your needs and goals and if you STICK to it then you will see just as good results as with any of SC diets, however I personaly think its great that someone who knows so much about dieting is offering a service to help others achieve thier goals.

I think alot of peoples problems come from over complicating things. Gaining muscle is easy if you approach it in the right way and then so is losing fat and keeping muscle if approached in the right way. This shit is not rocket science but neither is running 100m in a straight line, but some people still choose to use a coach in order to maximise results and run it a little bit faster. Can you blame them for wanting the best results and seeking a bit of help to get there? no!

So the bottom line is there is allways going to be special diets and new ideas but does that mean you will get better results from using them? Maybe, maybe not. Like everything in this sport everyone is different and everyone needs something different in order for them to get there. Whether they get help along the way or not is entirely an individual choice and I for one will not undermine them or flame them for wanting to achieve more or better themselves, or the people who capitalize on this.

The problem with people who participate in this sport (I know this is a generalization) is that people have strong educated or not educated beliefs and tend to think this is what works and everything else is shit. Well the only thing thats shit is that kind of thinking. If people opened their thaughts and mental approach to this whole game and stoped thinking "if it works for me then its the only way", there would be alot less flaming and alot more people would have the physique that they could have only dreamed about. i.e. if you take 500mg sust and it works great and then another guy takes 500mg sust and its not half as effective would you still say well it works for me so he should still keep using sust or would you say he should try another AS?? Just like this whole diet debate; each to their own. SC's diets might be good and bang on but are they miricles and will they work for everyone, nah and nah they wont. But for those that the diet has worked for and may continue working for great, good luck and I comend SC for helping them.

 

[Zoomster]

I have learned that once you pay for something like a diet you are more likely to follow through since there has been a monetary commitment to it.

Also, it does pay to get advice, in any sport, as it also pays to have a coach or mentor.

 

[drveejay11]

It's what you eat that matters. Nutrient timing is a farce. The timing has nothing to do with it.

Really?

Nelson: I can respect one's plight to challenge the main stream and dispell "myths" hyped by marketing tactics in an effort to reform fellow bb'ers beliefs into a "better" more correct, more intelligent methodology of reasoning. That's very applaudable!

BUT....you're desire to remain "skeptical" about ANY structured routines (SC's progams or any others for that matter) as well as your NEED to create/force controversy about things THAT DO WORK, in an effort to create a name for yourself has ill-intentions---hence.....credibility is LOST!

SC's progam IS based on macro nutrient intake TIMING and it DOES work! His program has transformed MANY supposed know-it-alls into humble appreciative LEAN bb'ers.

So...my point??? Slow down a little and don't be so quick to denounce anything that comes along. This blanket statement (about nutrient intake timing being a farce) could not be any further from reality.

First off....Insulin is one of THE MOST POWERFUL hormones in the body!!! This is NOT up for debate. Controlling it (and indirectly Glucagon), you manipulate many of the anabolic responses that are all responsible for GROWTH and FAT LOSS! Pretty much the QUEST of every bb’ers. Please don’t tell me you think macro nutrient intake “timing” is NOT paramount in nutrient uptake, fatty acid redistribution, glycogen repletion, amino acid uptake, proper glucose disposal, optimal recovery, and a myriad of other significant reactions in the body that promote anabolism and lipolysis (or catabolism and lipogenesis if macro nutrient TIMING is NOT a concern).

Here are some GOOD reads for you Bro.....herein lies the scientific information to back the above. I tried to provide “some” literature that has a direct application to b’ing!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11440894&dopt=Abstract

http://www.sover.net/~timw/timing.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12527977&dopt=Abstract

http://www.virtualmuscle.com/bodybuilding__insulin_enigma.htm

http://www.virtualmuscle.com/nutrient_timing2.htm

http://www.2aida.org/aida/online-reviews.htm

http://nbaf.com/nbaf/june7pgf.htm

http://www.poweringmuscles.com/musclerecovery.asp?article_number=4

http://www.firstendurance.com/pdf/Carbohydrates for endurance.pdf

http://www.mensfitness.com/mens/superfeat/070902/post_workout_nutrition.html

http://www.smartfuel.com/pdf/nutrition/whattodo.pdf

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu:8110/2004/studyg/diabetes.ppt

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/pierce34.htm

http://www.med.unc.edu/nutr/nim/PDF/Handouts/DM_handout.pdf

http://www.activehealth.co.nz/glycogen_sparing,htm.htm

http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/253temp.jsp

http://www.bscbodyscience.com/story_suptiming.php

http://cs.portlandpress.co.uk/cs/102/0523/1020523.pdf

http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/article.cfm?aid=1212&sid=9

http://www.imakenews.com/bioanalogics/e_article000054319.cfm

http://www.swmed.edu/stars/cfdocs/symposia/dobbins.pdf

http://www.ast-ss.com/research/cribb/insulin_and_muscle_growth.htm

http://www.mydietplan.com/mdpshare/sportsnutri.htm

http://www.medicine.uiowa.edu/pharm...lock 2/MA-Insulin & Oral Hypoglycemic Agents (web).pdf

We are ALL here to learn.......myself included. There's NO reason to knock a bro for a service that WORKS!!!

Take care

 

[Wyllis]

I dont think its as simple as hes knocking a bro for a service that works. Infact I dont thinks he knocking him just explaining that he doesnt agree with what SC preaches.

Everyone seems to be hung up on whether Nelson is wrong when in his own way he is right. Like I said in my post above macro nutrient timing is the best way to maximise results from your diet but you will still grow or what ever your goal if you didnt time nutrients well.

Nelsons problem comes when he just totally dimisses things instead of just listen to the good results others have had he goes be what he has heard and swears that everything must be wrong. Again like I said in my post above open your mind about this thing and train to what suits yourself and if you dont know what suits you, find out. After all thats only what any other guru will help you achieve.

 

[~SC~]

bye........

Okay, all of ya......it's 6:00 a.m., I have surgery in 6 hours......

All of you, all of us, please just have a great day filled w/happiness and enjoyment, and rid yourself of animocity for a day. Go have a great workout, and continue to better yourselves and chase your dreams. You should all count your blessings and realize that you don't have the uphill battle to fight as I will the next year.

I'm not aiming to be anyone's "Sweetheart", but if I'm an honest/congenial/like-able person, so be it. I'm not going to change for anything/anyone.

You all have a great day, for me..........please.

Thanks much!

~SC~XXL~2K3~

 

[DepressiveJuice]

Re: bye........

Okay, all of ya......it's 6:00 a.m., I have surgery in 6 hours......

All of you, all of us, please just have a great day filled w/happiness and enjoyment, and rid yourself of animocity for a day. Go have a great workout, and continue to better yourselves and chase your dreams. You should all count your blessings and realize that you don't have the uphill battle to fight as I will the next year.

I'm not aiming to be anyone's "Sweetheart", but if I'm an honest/congenial/like-able person, so be it. I'm not going to change for anything/anyone.

You all have a great day, for me..........please.

Thanks much!

~SC~XXL~2K3~

lol. dont be such a drama queen swole. the doctor i work for does alot of these surgieres, theres no need to worry. you'll survive and be jumping again before you know it

 

[Nelson Montana]

Really?

Nelson: I can respect one's plight to challenge the main stream and dispell "myths" hyped by marketing tactics in an effort to reform fellow bb'ers beliefs into a "better" more correct, more intelligent methodology of reasoning. That's very applaudable!

BUT....you're desire to remain "skeptical" about ANY structured routines (SC's progams or any others for that matter) as well as your NEED to create/force controversy about things THAT DO WORK, in an effort to create a name for yourself has ill-intentions---hence.....credibility is LOST!

..............
Ya know, I'm getting a little sick of this shit.

Why is it that whenever I present an unpopular argument I'm doing do to "create a name for myself"? I have a name bro.

Also, I wish I could go throgh those references one by one and show you how they're flawed but that would be a seminar in itself. The thing is...

PEOPLE HAVE GOT STOP THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS A FACT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE WROTE IT ELSEWHERE!!!

Everyone of those links were either about glucose replenishment or insulin or someones speculation about what happens with timing.

THERE ISN'T ONE SHREAD OF CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT TIMING NUTRIENTS (beyond a normal eating schedule) WILL BUILD MORE MUSCLE THAN NOT DOING SO.

NOT ONE!!!

People say they want to learn, but yet they're unwilling to listen to anything that goes against their current thinking. And when someone says "don't be close minded" what they're really saying is; listen to what THEY say.



And SC: Lighten up on the "great tragedy you've incurred and how everyone here is your brother and you'll pray for them." What a bunch on patronizing self grandizing horseshit. I have arthritis in my knee and it's agaony on a daily basis. I'm having surgery on it in a few weeks but I'm not coming on here and crying to everyone about it. Deal with it.