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Citruscide
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Nonerz said:
SoCal is holding off for the time being. Finances are keeping me in Chicago. I found a nice little World's Gym in the loop area... the rent is $700/month and I'm going to be hooked up with training sessions from 10-3/4pm every weekday. Billing out at 60$ per session... it's something I'm not about to turn down right now...
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Mr. Hatfield is assuming that all PLers squat the same way; that is, with a lot of forward lean. As you can see in his article, under safety for the spine, that the more upright the lifter is the better...no matter what "sport" he or she is in. He also mentions that it is only dangerous for powerlifters who don't periodize. Meaning, we don't squat that way all the time, it's just that sometimes at maximal force, a little too much lean can happen, but we train to handle that (goodmornings). That's much different than people who go to the gym and crank out 3 x 15 like that week in and week out. I personally don't do full ROM 1 RM squats EVER, thus, I don't place a lot of shearing force on my spine. While he does a great job of highlighting the various squats seen, and their purpose, that doesn't mean that they are all best in terms of safety. Again, the fact that you aren't using maximal weight makes the undue stress on the knee seem ok. The good Dr. even warns toward the end that a BB squat is dangerous to lean forward in because the lower back has not been trained to handle it, and he mentions that doing them at high weight is a problem (restating what I said about getting by with it due to % of max). If a PL squat is guilty of being hard on the lumbar spine (which I disagree with-depends on the lifter) then a high bar squat is just as guilty of being "dangerous" on the cervical spine. He also says "slightly acute" knees. This is not the kind of danger I'm talking about. Sure, the more vertical the better, but I'm talking about those peple that just deliberately lean forward and move with the knees first. That's not the same thing as descending straight down with the bar moving in a straight line over your ass, and the knees naturally coming forward a tad.
I don't think any two squatters in my gym squat alike, and we are all taught the same way.
I don't think any two squatters in my gym squat alike, and we are all taught the same way.
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Citruscide
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spatts said:
Hmm.. I don't think I ever said that anyone was locked into one form or another... in fact, since my very first post on this, I think I said that people squat differently, and that there is no one correct way (however, there is incorrect form) over another.
The entire point of my post was to show Norenz the difference between the PL and BB squat in textbook fashion. Those are the differences, in the two varieties of squats... whether you, I or Bignate do them differently.
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Citruscide
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spatts said:
Sorry, I didn't see Mr. Hatfeild on the thread... I logically thought the post was in response to the information I posted. My mistake.
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Nonerz
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That's nice and all, but I didn't ask about the differences nor did I intend to drag Nate into yet another thread! Just asking for clarification of your explaination with the intent of (hopefully) learning something. I got your clarification...thanks.Citruscide said:
Keep us posted on your move back to California
btw, it's Nonerz...not Norenz.
bignate73
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NORENZO!!
heheheh.
btw, i prefer a high bar position because a low bar position feels awkward and i dont have enough of a shelf to set it on. foot position, i keep my toes inline with my knees (i dont do the parallel thing) because i want to minimize twisting forces in my lower leg due to different joint bending in different directions. i sit waaay back IMO and bring the crease of my hip just below the top of the knee. these are things "i" do, based on what ive taken from various experiences and bits of information. i guess its called experience or variety of sources, but i think it best summarizes why there cant be a blanket statement made about an exercise, as PH illustrated earlier in the thread. there can be generalizations about a movement, but for the case of BB or PL squat only some generalizations with regards to muscle recruitment and some of the rules of depth etc.
heheheh.
btw, i prefer a high bar position because a low bar position feels awkward and i dont have enough of a shelf to set it on. foot position, i keep my toes inline with my knees (i dont do the parallel thing) because i want to minimize twisting forces in my lower leg due to different joint bending in different directions. i sit waaay back IMO and bring the crease of my hip just below the top of the knee. these are things "i" do, based on what ive taken from various experiences and bits of information. i guess its called experience or variety of sources, but i think it best summarizes why there cant be a blanket statement made about an exercise, as PH illustrated earlier in the thread. there can be generalizations about a movement, but for the case of BB or PL squat only some generalizations with regards to muscle recruitment and some of the rules of depth etc.
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