Bench Press? Impossible?

[marvelous54]

I talked to a trainer today that claims he has a client that is repping out 225 for 36.

He also claimed the clients one rep max is 445.

Have you guys ever seen such a discrpancy between someones 225 rep-out and their 1rmax?

I've known a lot of people that have had at one time or another around a 450 max and everyone of them had a 225 rep-out max of around 25 (all were between 23 - 26).

 

[DaveTSI]

what discrepancy? what does muscular endurance have to do with a max lift?

 

[marvelous54]

discrepancy refers to an unusual diference - most will tell you that diference is at least unusual

as far as endurance and strength, sure there is a big diference, but they are related especially in this type of "test"

 

[future]

what discrepancy? what does muscular endurance have to do with a max lift?

I agree.

I hit 225x38

Raw bp'ed 505x3

 

[DaveTSI]

discrepancy refers to an unusual diference - most will tell you that diference is at least unusual

as far as endurance and strength, sure there is a big diference, but they are related especially in this type of "test"

thanks for the definition im not stupid i know what the fucking word means.

there is no discrepancy, i dont see one. actually 36 reps at 225 should put someone around 425-475 IMO depending on muscular endurance and power.

 

[marvelous54]

I agree.

I hit 225x38

Raw bp'ed 505x3

You're numbers are exactly where most people's are that have a 225 max rep in that range. His 225 rep max is only 2 off of yours yet his 1 rep max is around 100 lbs off.

 

[DaveTSI]

You're numbers are exactly where most people's are that have a 225 max rep in that range. His 225 rep max is only 2 off of yours yet his 1 rep max is around 100 lbs off.

thats why i said, "what does muscular endurance have to do with a max lift?"

 

[future]

You're numbers are exactly where most people's are that have a 225 max rep in that range. His 225 rep max is only 2 off of yours yet his 1 rep max is around 100 lbs off.

Part of powerlifting though is tendon conditioning through a low rep threshold that really gets you ready to push 100% max. I would not have been able at ANY TIME to just hit my true max. Partly because hitting a max is a 50/50 shot...partly tendon/ligament conditioning.

Also a high rep bp tends to be 3/4 reps many times from what I remember at NFL camps. Not overly impressive but still not awful either.

 

[fortunatesun]

thats why i said, "what does muscular endurance have to do with a max lift?"

No sense going back and forth on this. Likewise, some people will have a maximum that is over the norm for the same test. Depending if it's 70%, 80%, or 90% of max there's still going to be a significant range in numbers among the same people in a group. Everyone's just put together differently.

 

[marvelous54]

Part of powerlifting though is tendon conditioning through a low rep threshold that really gets you ready to push 100% max. I would not have been able at ANY TIME to just hit my true max. Partly because hitting a max is a 50/50 shot...partly tendon/ligament conditioning.

Also a high rep bp tends to be 3/4 reps many times from what I remember at NFL camps. Not overly impressive but still not awful either.

I was thinking that (type of training) probably makes up for the biggest difference. I've always lifted for strength. Played D1, brother was a D1 OL and I have a close friend that is the S&C coach for one of the most prominent programs in the country. I don't think I've ever known anyone (specifically) that could hit 225 for 26 reps (much less 36) and not get 445.

Also, as you mentioned, much of a 1 rep max is crap shoot. That being said, I would think with that kind of 225 rep max he could have gotten the 445 at least for a 3 rep max.

 

[marvelous54]

No sense going back and forth on this. Likewise, some people will have a maximum that is over the norm for the same test. Depending if it's 70%, 80%, or 90% of max there's still going to be a significant range in numbers among the same people in a group. Everyone's just put together differently.

I agree there is going to be a significant range. I was just saying that was by far the largest diference I had seen for a bp. I was hoping for the type of input that you and future have given. FOr some reason Dave just wants to ask rhetorical questions over and over and get pissed when you answer them.

If he wants to pull that shit with a newbie thats one thing but I see no need to treat members that have been around for years in that manner. JMO

 

[PWR]

. I don't think I've ever known anyone (specifically) that could hit 225 for 26 reps (much less 36) and not get 445..

I can hit 225 for 26-28 reps and my max is around 400. Some people are more slow twitch and some are fast twitch. Some have good tendons and some (like me) have bad tendons.

 

[marvelous54]

I can hit 225 for 26-28 reps and my max is around 400. Some people are more slow twitch and some are fast twitch. Some have good tendons and some (like me) have bad tendons.

Thanks for the post. I think my problem was trying to cast "rules" on weightlifting in general. Obviously most of the lifters I have been around have been focused on heavy lifting and there has also been focus on tendon health. Again, thanks for hte input.

 

[future]

Use generalizations as a guideline BUT not as law.

 

[PWR]

Thanks for the post. I think my problem was trying to cast "rules" on weightlifting in general. Obviously most of the lifters I have been around have been focused on heavy lifting and there has also been focus on tendon health. Again, thanks for hte input.

I would have been much better off if I had focused on tendon health versus all out power. I can also hit 315 x 12 and 365 x 5 or 6 but anything heavier and my elbows take a shit. Very frustrating!

 

[marvelous54]

I would have been much better off if I had focused on tendon health versus all out power. I can also hit 315 x 12 and 365 x 5 or 6 but anything heavier and my elbows take a shit. Very frustrating!

I'm fortunate that I have the friend I mentioned earlier. The guy is excellent with general tendon health/strength as well as therapy/repair.

 

[musketeer]

I watched a national level discus thrower training at a UK leading weightroom.

Huge black guy, 260lbs at 5'10" nearly all muscle, shoulders and back super-broad.

He did power cleans - doubles, quickly working up from 80kg in 10kg increments up to 150kg where he did one rep. I then watched him fail on 160kg for a single 3 times. He showed obvious frustration and was doing everything he could but couldn't powerclean 160kg. He then striped down to 140kg and confidently did a great set of 8 reps.

 

[gstacker]

I guess ur form might come into play, if ur jus bouncing em of ur chest u might sqeeze out a extra 5 reps

 

[gstacker]

But those numbers posted wernt mind boglin to me

 

[PWR]

I guess ur form might come into play, if ur jus bouncing em of ur chest u might sqeeze out a extra 5 reps

Not in my case, my form is very slow and controlled, even slower the heavier I go. Tendon and ligament health is crucial, unfortunately I never realized that until I got in my 30's.

 

[AEKDB]

part of powerlifting though is tendon conditioning through a low rep threshold that really gets you ready to push 100% max. I would not have been able at any time to just hit my true max. Partly because hitting a max is a 50/50 shot...partly tendon/ligament conditioning.

+1

 

[gstacker]

Not in my case, my form is very slow and controlled, even slower the heavier I go. Tendon and ligament health is crucial, unfortunately I never realized that until I got in my 30's.

thats good pat urself on the back but i was thinking of diff reasons the #`s might be confusing to the original poster... yes i agree bouncing em off ur chest to sqeeze out a few extra reps isnt impresive but might explain a low one time max compared to a high# of reps at 225

 

[searay]

wow....never seen so much argument over such a non-issue. ever heard of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers? maybe the guy just has way more slow twitch muscle fiber than he has fast twitch. i used to train with a guy who could out rep me all day long but when we would get to the heavier weights id still be getting reps and he'd be all done getting any at all. getting 36 reps with 225 is impressive enough let alone the guy can 1 rep 445. i know id be a happy camper if could get either.

 

[gstacker]

wow....never seen so much argument over such a non-issue. ever heard of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers? maybe the guy just has way more slow twitch muscle fiber than he has fast twitch. i used to train with a guy who could out rep me all day long but when we would get to the heavier weights id still be getting reps and he'd be all done getting any at all. getting 36 reps with 225 is impressive enough let alone the guy can 1 rep 445. i know id be a happy camper if could get either.

i can go for that or my theroy either way your right it doesnt matter 36 reps or 450 is nice like i said the #'s wernt mind boglin to me... I think the original poster thought of a topic he wanted to discuss and wasnt arguing, but thats jus my perception

 

[marvelous54]

i can go for that or my theroy either way your right it doesnt matter 36 reps or 450 is nice like i said the #'s wernt mind boglin to me... I think the original poster thought of a topic he wanted to discuss and wasnt arguing, but thats jus my perception

Thanks GS. I even posted it as a question. Like I said, the tyoe if weight training (trainers) I have always been around it is just unheard of. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I was just interested in finding out the experiences of others. I wan't actually trying to argue that it was impossible.

 

[RickO'Shea]

So should I be concerned that my 1 rep max is 285?.....I have freaky long arms. That's my defense...