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Bearrito's Diesel Starter Stack Log

bearrito29

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Hey guys. Been reading on here for a long time, but just decided to post because I am starting NeedTo's Diesel Starter stack. Today was day one so as time goes on I will keep you guys updated. I am gonna take BF%, weight, and measurements tomorrow morning to post on here as my starting point. Also will take pics if I have time. The planned diet breakdown is:

2500 cals
275 g protein
200 g carbs
55 g fat

I realize this isn't ideal for bulking on the stack but I'm actually just trying to preserve muscle while I drop fat. I am 6'0" and weigh 262 and around 20% BF. I will verify those numbers in the morning and repost along with arm, chest, leg, waist, etc. measurements.

Also, I have to mention that NeedTo's shipping was extremely fast and he was very helpful in figuring out which stack I wanted to take. Many thanks to NeedTo and the entire team at Needtobuildmuscle.com!!
 
Good luck man

I'd up the calories though. You height and weight would put you around 2400 cals for BMR without factoring in total daily energy expenditure activity factor. I'd shoot for 3800-4000 cals if I were you
 
Hey guys. Been reading on here for a long time, but just decided to post because I am starting NeedTo's Diesel Starter stack. Today was day one so as time goes on I will keep you guys updated. I am gonna take BF%, weight, and measurements tomorrow morning to post on here as my starting point. Also will take pics if I have time. The planned diet breakdown is:

2500 cals
275 g protein
200 g carbs
55 g fat

I realize this isn't ideal for bulking on the stack but I'm actually just trying to preserve muscle while I drop fat. I am 6'0" and weigh 262 and around 20% BF. I will verify those numbers in the morning and repost along with arm, chest, leg, waist, etc. measurements.

Also, I have to mention that NeedTo's shipping was extremely fast and he was very helpful in figuring out which stack I wanted to take. Many thanks to NeedTo and the entire team at Needtobuildmuscle.com!!



More protein, more fats and less carbs bro if you are looking to drop body fat.

Moer like this:

Protein 325
Carbs 100-150
Fats 80-100

Yes, it's more calories, but going too low on calories for your body weight isn't the most efficient way to maintain muscle and drop fat.


Supplement with about 6-9 grams of fish oil that is high in DHA and EPA.


Absolutely avoid sugars and simple carbs of any form, including milk, pasta, and white breads, candy, soda etc.
 
More protein, more fats and less carbs bro if you are looking to drop body fat.

Moer like this:

Protein 325
Carbs 100-150
Fats 80-100

Yes, it's more calories, but going too low on calories for your body weight isn't the most efficient way to maintain muscle and drop fat.


Supplement with about 6-9 grams of fish oil that is high in DHA and EPA.


Absolutely avoid sugars and simple carbs of any form, including milk, pasta, and white breads, candy, soda etc.

exactly. Feed the deiselbolan that protein and watch what it will do with it:evil::evil::evil:
 
Absolutely avoid sugars and simple carbs of any form, including milk, pasta, and white breads, candy, soda etc.

Mmmmm whole milk is my friend while on diesel/tren. I think whole milk made a huge difference in my weight gain from 210-230
 
Absolutely avoid sugars and simple carbs of any form, including milk, pasta, and white breads, candy, soda etc.

No milk!? Man I don't know if I could do that. What would you mix a protein shake with? Water?
 
I can't stand protein with water. BUT, this is what I have been doing lately. One of my meals is oats mixed with 2 scoops of whey chocolate protein. If you just mix in the scoops of protein with the oats and microwave it and make chocolate oatmeal, it ain't THAT bad. Milk is of course much better. I was always obsessed with milk since I was a kid, so it's hard to stay away from it. But the sugar and sodium are my enemy, unfortunately.
 
Guys,

Thanks for the suggestions. I will try adjusting my calories and calorie split to up the fat and lower the carbs. I weighed, took BF%, and took all measurements this morning. I wrote them all down at home and will post sometime tonight. I will see about taking some pics as well. Can I upload pics directly from my computer or do I have to join some online pic hosting site to link to? When I post the pics you will see why I am mostly concerned with dropping fat....my spare tire would fit a monster truck!

Also just wanted to say that just knowing that I'm on this stuff has improved the mental aspect of my workouts already, causing me to push harder and heavier! I pushed harder yesterday on chest than I have in quite some time...got 315 for 10 reps for the first time in months!

Thanks again for the suggestions guys and I will (hopefully) post pics up tonight.
 
You might look into trying the "anabolic diet" with your goals.

It's sorta a variation of the atkins diet

Weekdays: high fat, no carbs (less then 30 grams), high protine (think lots of rd meat).
Weekend: clean carb loading: high carb, low fat and med protine

It's been working great with my body type (easy Fat gainer), I've been able to cut BF and increase lifts/muscle and this was without anything like the need2 sups. Going to try his cutting cyc next month and try and get down to 10% Bf from my current 15% so I'm going to watch your results.

Good luck.
 
No milk!? Man I don't know if I could do that. What would you mix a protein shake with? Water?

I always mix my protein in water and it tastes just fine to me.

I love milk myself, but if you are trying to lose BF, milk is a definite no. The sugars promote insulin release, which promotes fat storage.

Avoiding insulin release is your primary goal if losing fat is your primary focus.
 
Ok, here are my beginning numbers:

262 lbs
18% BF (I think it's higher but it's what a 3-point pinch shows)

Chest - 48.5
Waist - 43
Around Belly Button - 45
Right Arm Relaxed - 18.25
Right Arm Flexed - 19
Left Arm Relaxed - 18
Left Arm Flexed - 18.75
Forearms - 13.5
Thighs - 27
Right Calf - 16.25
Left Calf - 16
Neck - 18.25

Gonna start uploading pics now....go easy on me about the belly, LOL!
 
As you can see from the pictures, the 3 point pinch test is probably off....I don't think I'm as low as 18%. You can also see why I'm concerned with fat loss ;) Go easy on the comments, you might hurt my fragile feelings, haha!
 
You certainly have the muscle mass under there bro. Bringing down that BF will really make you look something special.
 
Yeah the side pec fat, along with the love handles, are the most embarrassing part.

I have worked several years on building mass, and I've done it thru eating and hard work....never done a cycle before, which is why I'm trying the Dieselbolan starter stack. I wanna be able to shed some fat pounds (like 30) and preserve 11 years of hard earned muscle.

I will keep you guys updated on progress thru stats and some pics. Keep the comments and encouragement coming!
 
Yeah the side pec fat, along with the love handles, are the most embarrassing part.

I have worked several years on building mass, and I've done it thru eating and hard work....never done a cycle before, which is why I'm trying the Dieselbolan starter stack. I wanna be able to shed some fat pounds (like 30) and preserve 11 years of hard earned muscle.

I will keep you guys updated on progress thru stats and some pics. Keep the comments and encouragement coming!

I know how you feel, I have the side pec fat along with some left over gyno from adolescents which I can't get to go away (tried the nolvadex/letro combo everyone swears by, didn't work for aged gyno). You got some great size going on, just need to cut down some. Great power lifter physique. thanks for posting the pics, this should be a good log
 
Nice size mate , i bet your a beast under there !!

Good luck .

Brad.

Thanks for the comment. I think there is a beast somewhere under those layers of fat and that's what I'm hoping to find out :evil:! So far after 3 days bodyweight has stayed the same. I am not expecting to see or feel any big changes for another 2 or 3 days and then hopefully I will start to see some body composition changes.

Question for anyone that feels qualified to answer....How much cardio should I be doing. My current plan is 30-45 minutes 4 days a week. Cardio will consist of running twice a week for 2 or 3 miles and the other two days would be lower intensity work on the treadmill. Is this sufficient, to much, not enough?
 
Personally I'd do little to none. Combo of low/no carbs and the sups should drop the fat fast. Only thing I'd do is situps and shorten brakes between sets to 30-45 sec. Also 1-2lb of fat a week is a good goal with retaining the muscle, I'd count cals and if your droping to much up them and if not enough lower them.

I've gone from 42" pants and 20% bf to 35" pants and 13% bf with very little muscle loss doing the antibolic diet and no sups (in 3 months). Next up is need2s cutting stack :-)
 
Ok, I thought I would start posting my workouts after 4 days of being on the Diesel stack since I figure that pretty soon it's gonna start really kicking in. I will start using this thread to track my strength progress in addition to my body composition changes.

Shoulders Day:

Seated Military Press
Bar 1x20
135 1x10
185 1x10
225 1x8
226 1x6
185 1x8

Upright Rows
Bar 1x10
135 1x10
155 1x10
175 1x6
115 1x10

Dumbell Lateral Raises
35's 3x10

Rear Delt on Pec Deck
160 1x10
180 1x10
200 1x8
150 1x6

Dumbell Shrugs
105's 5x15

Strength felt pretty good today. I have a sore ligament or tendon or something in my left shoulder that is affecting my presses somewhat, but hopefully I can continue to push thru it.

Also, bodyweight was up 2 lbs today versus when I began the stack on Monday. Calories are coming in around 2400-2500 with about 275 grams protein and 175 grams carbs.
 
Ok, I thought I would start posting my workouts after 4 days of being on the Diesel stack since I figure that pretty soon it's gonna start really kicking in. I will start using this thread to track my strength progress in addition to my body composition changes.

Shoulders Day:

Seated Military Press
Bar 1x20
135 1x10
185 1x10
225 1x8
226 1x6
185 1x8

Upright Rows
Bar 1x10
135 1x10
155 1x10
175 1x6
115 1x10

Dumbell Lateral Raises
35's 3x10

Rear Delt on Pec Deck
160 1x10
180 1x10
200 1x8
150 1x6

Dumbell Shrugs
105's 5x15

Strength felt pretty good today. I have a sore ligament or tendon or something in my left shoulder that is affecting my presses somewhat, but hopefully I can continue to push thru it.

Also, bodyweight was up 2 lbs today versus when I began the stack on Monday. Calories are coming in around 2400-2500 with about 275 grams protein and 175 grams carbs.

Up the cals broheim. Don't be scared of the calories, I know it's a mental thing. Eat and enjoy the growth. I added whole milk for my 4 weeks and that was a big challenge for me mentally. 6-8 cups of whole milk per day I kept thinking I was going to turn obese, that didn't happen.
 
Been on the Diesel stack for one week now. I have been keeping my calories fairly low still but protein has been up around 280-300 grams per day. The exception would be over the weekend when I had about 6000 cals on Saturday :evil:. I figured I would do a cheat day every week to help keep my sanity while eating clean the rest of the time. Bodyweight is up about 8 lbs after week one and waist and stomach measurements have remained unchanged. Keep in mind that I am keeping calories around 2400-2500 and hitting cardio in an attempt to shed bodyfat. Gaining 8 lbs in a week (while eating clean) and not gaining anything on my waist is a pretty damn good sign!!

Anyways, I am definitely feeling the effects of the stack now....my entire body feels tight and pumped all the time. I have woken up the last 2 or 3 mornings feeling like I had been busting out reps on every muscle group all night because the muscle bellies have just felt full. I like it!! Ok, now for the workout log.


Leg Day:

Squats
Bar 1x15
135 1x10
225 1x10
315 1x8
315 1x6
315 1x5
225 1x8
135 1x8

Leg Press
360 1x12
540 1x10
720 1x6

Single Leg Leg Press
180 1x6 each leg
90 1x10 each leg

Leg Extensions
150 3x12

Glute Ham Raises (these are absolutely ridiculous!)
Bodyweight 3x6

Calf Raises
180 5x15
 
Also, I wanted to mention that just for shits and grins I measured my right arm tonight (keep in mind I haven't hit arms since early last week) and it was +0.5" compared to a week ago. A half inch in one week! Effing incredible. I love this Diesel stack :heart:.
 
Tonight was my favorite! Chest and Tris!!!!! :evil::evil::evil:

Chest:

Flat Bench
135 1x15
225 1x8
315 1x4
405 1x4 (only got the first one clean without spot)
315 1x10
225 1x20

Incline Bench
225 1x6
275 1x6
315 1x8

Machine Flies
200 2x10
180 1x10

Triceps:

Dumbell French Presses
105 1x10
125 1x10
150 1x10

Tricep Pressdowns (with V bar on cable crossover machine)
stack(200) 5x12


This was a definite increase from last week....I couldn't get 405 any on my own last week. The 315x10 and 225x20 still felt really great too! So far I am up a total of 6 lbs. After two weeks (next Monday) I will be posting up new BF measurement and tape measurements.

If anyone is on the fence about the Diesel starter stack I have nothing but good things to say about it so far....this stuff is awesome :heart:
 
Back Day

Lat Pulldowns
200 1x12
220 1x10
240 1x10
160 1x8

Deadlifts
135 1x6
226 1x6
315 1x2
405 1x1
455 1x1

One Arm Dumbell Rows
150 3x8 each arm

Seated Cable Rows
200 1x10
220 1x10
240 1x10

Reverse Grip Pulldowns
180 1x10
200 1x10
180 1x13

Lower Back Extensions
Holding 45 lb plate 1x12
Holding 2 45 lb plates 1x12
Holding 3 45 lb plates 1x8
Bodyweight 1x10

Pullovers (on cable)
150 3x10


Pretty long back workout today. Ran out of time and didn't get to squeeze bis in there. Strength is definitely still increasing even while being on a diet targeted towards cutting bodyfat. Going to the beach for a 4 day weekend for a bachelor party....the diet will definitely not hold together but I still plan to get a couple of workouts in. I might get a couple of beers in there too :D
 
Ok, missed a couple of days of putting my workout log on here. Monday was legs (felt great) and yesterday was back/bis (also felt great). I won't post the entire workout for those cause I can't remember all the weight/reps now. Tonight was chest and tris.

Chest

Flat Bench
135 1x20
225 1x10
315 1x5
405 1x4
365 1x5
225 1x16

Incline Bench
225 1x10
275 1x8
315 1x6
225 1x10

Close Grip Bench Machine
300 3x12

Dumbell Flyes
25s 2x10

Would have done more weight and reps on the flyes but by this point the pump in my chest and shoulders made me want to cry...I have never had such a tight and painful pump as I get on this stuff!

Tris
Skull Crushers
3x110

Short tricep workout....shoulders and chest were hurting so bad I just had to leave.

Also, I ran, or attempted to, on Tuesday afternoon after having done legs on Monday. Bad idea. The shin splints and lower back pumps set in after about a 1/2 mile and wouldn't let up. I have truly never experienced muscle pain that was anywhere near what I feel on this stuff. It's not an injury pain, just an extreme pump that is nearly debilitating (sp?). Gonna have to go easy on the running until I finish this cycle.

I will post official numbers after another 10 days when I am done with the 4 week cycle but so far I'm up about 10 lbs., my waist is getting smaller, and all my muscles are getting fuller. I had 3 people tell me at the gym tonight that they could tell I was getting bigger lately. That's a great sign!!
 
Chest Day:

Flat Bench
135 1x20
225 1x10
315 1x5
405 1x6
315 1x10
225 1x30

Incline Bench
275 1x8
315 2x6

Machine Flyes
200 1x10
220 1x8
160 1x8

Tricep Pressdowns
200 1x15
200 1x15
200 1x30


Triceps were so pumped from chest that I didn't do much with them at the end of the workout. Chest felt RIDICULOUSLY strong today though :evil:. I was able to throw 315 around like it was toy weights.....and to still get 225 30 times after everything else on flat? I mean come on, that is just phenomenal for me. This stuff continues to amaze me!!!! Today's workout has me really pumped about what the rest of the week has in store for me :D

Also, took my right arm measurement tonight at the end of the workout....20.25" flexed!!! I have put about an inch on my arm in 3 weeks, all while losing 3/4" from my waist. I love this Diesel stack :heart:
 
Back/Bis day was yesterday....got to the gym late so my motivation to stay for an extended amount of time was pretty low. Strength was up nonetheless.

Back Day

Lat Pulldowns
200 1x12
240 1x10
260 1x8
300 1x8

Barbell Rows
225 1x10
315 2x10

Seated Cable Rows
200 2x12 (just did these really slow/controlled)
300 1x10

Alternating Dumbell Curls
55s 1x10 (each arm)
60s 1x8 (each arm)
55s 1x8 (each arm)

Dumbell Hammer Curls
25s 1x30 (each arm)
25s 1x20 (each arm)
35s 1x15 (each arm)

Tonight is shoulders....will try to post workout log tonight.
 
pic! great updates, and congrats on the improvement. im trying to decide which stack to do right now. :p

Thanks bro! I will post "after" pics at the beginning of next week, after I have completed the entire 4 week cycle.

If you are looking for a great stack man, I can't recommend the Diesel starter stack enough. Just drink alot of water and take in lots of protein and you will see (and feel) great results. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think this stuff would give me the strength and size gains that I have realized while on it!!! :evil:
 
how your joints feeling Bear. Thats some serious weight your moving. My joints were killing me by the end; mainly shoulders.
 
how your joints feeling Bear. Thats some serious weight your moving. My joints were killing me by the end; mainly shoulders.

Funny you mention the shoulders....mine are constantly feeling like a knife is jabbed into them!! Last week my shoulder workout was a total of 600 reps with REALLY light weight all in about 25 mintues....I was doing a light, high rep workout to try and work out some of the pain. I went back to a normal, but shortened, shoulder workout tonight, which I will post next. I agree with you that the strength gains come quickly enough that some preparation should be taken to support the joints. I would recommend people take needto's joint formula during this cycle.
 
Shoulders

Seated Military Press
135 1x15
225 1x10
275 1x6
225 1x8

Upright Barbell Rows
135 1x12
155 1x10
185 1x6, 135 1x8 (Dropset)

Lateral Raises
30s 1x10
35s 2x10

Reverse Pec Deck (Rear Delt)
200 3x10
160 1x10
150 1x10

Shrugs on Smith Machine (weight is given in plates per side)
3 plates 1x15
4 plates 1x10
5 plates 1x8
6 plates 1x6
2 plates 1x50
 
Legs

Leg Press (given in plates per side)
2 1x12
4 1x10
6 1x10
8 1x10 (16 plates is the most I've ever done on leg press!)

Lying Leg Curls
160 1x10
200 1x10
220 1x8
260 1x6

Calves
6 sets (can't remember what weights)

Had an abbreviated leg workout. Lower back is killing me lately. I could have gone heavier on the leg press since I still got 10 reps out of the last set, but I was bringing my knees back into my chest and as a result my ass/lower back was rolling up some and causing some lower pack pain.

As a side note, people at the gym are asking me what I've been doing lately and what I'm taking. They are noticing the leaning down and muscle gains (and how quickly its happening).
 
Legs

Leg Press (given in plates per side)
2 1x12
4 1x10
6 1x10
8 1x10 (16 plates is the most I've ever done on leg press!)

Lying Leg Curls
160 1x10
200 1x10
220 1x8
260 1x6

Calves
6 sets (can't remember what weights)

Had an abbreviated leg workout. Lower back is killing me lately. I could have gone heavier on the leg press since I still got 10 reps out of the last set, but I was bringing my knees back into my chest and as a result my ass/lower back was rolling up some and causing some lower pack pain.

As a side note, people at the gym are asking me what I've been doing lately and what I'm taking. They are noticing the leaning down and muscle gains (and how quickly its happening).


Nice job bro! Keep it going. Good job on hitting 8 plates/side.

I just nailed 14/side. :p
 
14 per side?!?!?!?! :eek2: That is awesome bro! My knees hurt just thinking about it!

Jesus, 10 A side was it for me, and I got 28" quads cold. Had knee surgery in june, Just really started doing legs again last week. I think I got 495 lb for about 8 lol. knees were fine but the pattellar tendon isnt up to strength yet so it hurt.

14 or goddamn 16 plater per, Is seriously giving me knee pain just sitting here in my chair.
 
Every time I see this post I always think about a delicious burrito. You know, one of those Qdoba food grenades.
 
Chest night :evil:

Flat Bench
135 1x15
225 1x8
315 1x4
405 1x1
455 1x3 (2 were with no spot!!! NEW PR!!!)
495 1x2 (spotter said he took 10 lbs off....so unfortunately neither rep was all me)
405 1x4
315 1x14 :chomp:

Incline Bench
225 1x8
315 2x6

Tricep Pressdowns
200 1x20
200 2x15

Ok, so the workout looks like it was really short, and I guess it really wasn't as much volume as I normally hit, but I set a new personal record on bench!!! I've never hit 455 before, and tonight I got it clean twice! Thanks NeedTo for having an effin' awesome product! :heart:
 
Nice job bro! Keep it going. Good job on hitting 8 plates/side.

I just nailed 14/side. :p

O shit we talking about leg press. Nice I got sick legg press strength..

I ain't worked legg press our squats in a month or so. I could walk into the gym and do 11 a side with out even thinking about it for reps no problem.
 
Reading through this whole thread just inspired me... I cant wait to get my stack and get to work... Wondering how those after pics looked...?
 
those are some impressive numbers bro!!

My shoulders would never let me lift that heavy. Nor would my elbows. I have made alot of progress though lately getting into much heavier weight with less post workout pain.

Be careful with that flat bench barbell with your shoulders bro:D

Thanks bro! Yeah, the shoulders have been in some pain thru this whole process, but it is manageable. Today was the last day of my stack though, so I'm gonna start throwing in some high rep days to rehab my joints over the next few weeks. I REALLY wanted to hit 500 on bench though.....maybe I will on the next cycle in January :p
 
O shit we talking about leg press. Nice I got sick legg press strength..

I ain't worked legg press our squats in a month or so. I could walk into the gym and do 11 a side with out even thinking about it for reps no problem.

You guys are crazy on legs!! Hopefully I'll be there some day, but legs are my weak point. I am hoping to get under 405 on squats this week and I may try 10 plates per side on leg press. I will just have to see how the knees and lower back hold up.
 
Reading through this whole thread just inspired me... I cant wait to get my stack and get to work... Wondering how those after pics looked...?

Glad I was able to provide some inspiration with this log bro. I finished my last day of the stack today, so all my "after" body measurements, and pics, will be up soon. Within the next couple of days so keep an eye on this thread for 'em!
 
Back/Bis night

T-Bar Rows (weight given in number of plates)
3 1x10
4 1x10
5 1x8
6 1x6
4 1x10

Lat Pulldowns
260 1x10
300 1x8
260 1x10

Seated Cable Rows
200 1x10
260 1x10
300 1x10

No lower back work because it continues to feel fried all the time anyway :(

Barbell Curls
110 1x10
110 1x12
110 1x15

Dumbell Curls
55 1x10
35 2x10

Well, this was the last day of the stack. It's been a great 30 days of taking this stuff and hopefully I can keep my supplementation and diet in line over the next few weeks to keep the majority of my gains. I will post again on occasion to give post-cycle updates. Thank you all for your comments and encouragement on here and stay tuned for the "after" measurements and pics (spoiler alert: I'm still fat :D)
 
I will have full measurements posted up sometime tonight with pics to follow (tomorrow probably), but wanted to go ahead and post that when I weighed/measured this morning bodyweight was up 11 lbs. and bodyfat was down 3% versus one month ago!!! :D

Before After
262 lbs 273 lbs
18% 15%
47 lb fat 41 lbs fat

So I lost 6 lbs of fat while adding 11 lbs bodyweight...someone correct me if I'm wrong but that means that I added 17 lbs of LEAN MUSCLE!!! :evil: I realize some of that weight is water weight, but given that I ate a clean diet geared towards cutting I think that the majority of that 17 lbs is truly muscle. I can't wait until January when I start my next cycle of this stuff!!
 
Ok, here are my beginning numbers:

262 lbs
18% BF (I think it's higher but it's what a 3-point pinch shows)

Chest - 48.5
Waist - 43
Around Belly Button - 45
Right Arm Relaxed - 18.25
Right Arm Flexed - 19
Left Arm Relaxed - 18
Left Arm Flexed - 18.75
Forearms - 13.5
Thighs - 27
Right Calf - 16.25
Left Calf - 16
Neck - 18.25

Gonna start uploading pics now....go easy on me about the belly, LOL!

Now here are my ending measurements after the 30 day cycle:

273 lbs
15% BF (again, I think my calipers are generous, but at least it is a point of reference to show I dropped fat)

Chest - 49.5
Waist - 42.5
Around Belly Button - 44
Right Arm Relaxed - 18.75
Right Arm Flexed - 19.75
Left Arm Relaxed - 18.5
Left Arm Flexed - 19.5
Forearms - 14
Thighs - 28
Right Calf - 16.5
Left Calf - 16.25
Neck - 18.5


Well, there you have it!
 
I would love to see you get shredded man, you're massive (in a good way). Great log

Thanks bro, I really appreciate it. I intend to continue dropping fat over the next few months until I do my next Diesel cycle in January. I am shooting for 10-11% BF. I am gonna try to keep the diet at around 2500 cals and add more cardio. I'm also gonna throw in some LipoFlame (if it ever gets delivered) to help out in the cutting process.
 
I just wanted to post again and let you guys know that a couple of days into my PCT that strength is still up with no noticeable decreases yet. Also, props to NeedTo for having such an awesome product. After benching 455 for 2 reps the other night (and attempting 495) I have had several people ask me what I was taking and I pointed them to Needtobuildmuscle.com and 5 people have already told me that they have ordered the Diesel stack! The proof really is in the pudding with NeedTo's products. I know that I'm not the 8% BF shredded guy in the gym, but people still notice when your bench goes from 405 to nearly 5 plates! Oh, and I added Sustain Alpha to my PCT today and it really does tingle on the scrot! :p
 
I am one week into PCT. Hit chest last night and strength was still (almost) fully there.

Flat Bench:
135 1x20
225 1x5
315 1x5
405 1x6
315 1x15

Incline Dumbell:
90s 1x10
110s 1x10
120s 1x10

Pec Deck Flyes:
200 1x10
200 1x10
220 1x10

Workout was pretty good. Finishing flat with the high rep set at 315 really put a nice burn in the chest and it felt good to do dumbells on incline for a change. Shoulder pain is really bothering me though, so I am about to take CaptainFT's advice and rehab that over the next couple of weeks with some overload training.
 
I am one week into PCT. Hit chest last night and strength was still (almost) fully there.

Flat Bench:
135 1x20
225 1x5
315 1x5
405 1x6
315 1x15

Incline Dumbell:
90s 1x10
110s 1x10
120s 1x10

Pec Deck Flyes:
200 1x10
200 1x10
220 1x10

Workout was pretty good. Finishing flat with the high rep set at 315 really put a nice burn in the chest and it felt good to do dumbells on incline for a change. Shoulder pain is really bothering me though, so I am about to take CaptainFT's advice and rehab that over the next couple of weeks with some overload training.

Nice...go lighter than you think, set one and two are pretty easy but then the rest of the sets get a lot tougher with the same weight with only 30 seconds of reset between sets
 
Nice...go lighter than you think, set one and two are pretty easy but then the rest of the sets get a lot tougher with the same weight with only 30 seconds of reset between sets

Hey man, would you mind PMing me what your typical workout week looks like when overload training? What are your day splits...set/rep counts? I wanna try to plan everything out ahead of time as best I can to help me stick to it. Thanks!
 
Hey man, would you mind PMing me what your typical workout week looks like when overload training? What are your day splits...set/rep counts? I wanna try to plan everything out ahead of time as best I can to help me stick to it. Thanks!

Sure, sometimes I do different variations of it but I'll get you a basic template. Having dinner with the fam in a few but I;ll get to it at work tonight hopefully; as long as no servers blow up or trading apps go down :worried:
 
How's it comin broski, you startin to overload train or did you die in the gym after I PM'd you the routine =)
 
How's it comin broski, you startin to overload train or did you die in the gym after I PM'd you the routine =)

I haven't started the full on overload training yet. I have adjusted my workouts to be higher reps/lighter weight thru the rest of the week though to try and prepare myself. I start the full overload training routine Monday. I told my workout partners yesterday that I will be on hiatus (sp?) for the next couple of weeks doing my own thing. I didn't want to start until Monday though because I have a bench competition on Saturday and I still wanted to be used to the heavy weights. I think I may just do the body weight for reps competition though...I can probably only get 405 in a competition style max bench (requires the bar to be motionless at the bottom of the rep which will require about 2 seconds of pause at the bottom of the rep) and 405 won't win the competition....I would probably need 500 to win and that ain't happening, LOL! I will definitely let you know how the overload training goes though!
 
Been on PCT for two weeks now and strength still is very much up. Started an overload training routine tonight (compliments of Captain FT). Workout Below:

Lat Pulldowns
200 6x6

Flat Bench
315 6x6

Upright Barbell Rows
215 6x6

Seated Cable Rows (I thru in a little more back because I need it)
220 2x8

Standing Barbell Curls
110 6x6

Tricep Cable Pressdowns
200 6x12

Abs
Bodyweight 4x20.....I was supposed to do 6x20 but my abs started cramping something awful!

This entire workout (36 sets) took about 45 minutes! I was dog tired by the end of it...no additional cardio needed! Thanks for the awesome routine advice Captain....lower body tomorrow :chomp:
 
Nice bro. How did flat bench feel? I usually do the Hammerstrength machine so I don't drop it on my neck when doing overload training. Thats really good 6x6 with 315 and 45 seconds rest between sets, I usually do about 225lbs with 30 seconds but I'm much smaller.

How the joints feel, better?
 
Nice bro. How did flat bench feel? I usually do the Hammerstrength machine so I don't drop it on my neck when doing overload training. Thats really good 6x6 with 315 and 45 seconds rest between sets, I usually do about 225lbs with 30 seconds but I'm much smaller.

How the joints feel, better?

Man, the 315 was probably a touch too much for flat....especially since I jumped right under it without warming up! Will probably back off to 275 or 295 on Wednesday and do a 6x8 for that instead of 6x6. Joints definitely appreciated not being pounded as hard as in the past. The only thing bothering me still is a nagging left shoulder injury. Staying away from incline bench and military shoulder presses definitely gave it a nice break today though. I REALLY wish we had the Hammer Strength machines, but alas we have Cybex machines and they just aren't as good. My old gym (which closed down) had Hammer machines that you loaded plates on and I loved them. I am really interested to see how my knees feel after doing the lower body workout tomorrow.
 
Been on PCT for two weeks now and strength still is very much up. Started an overload training routine tonight (compliments of Captain FT). Workout Below:

Lat Pulldowns
200 6x6

Flat Bench
315 6x6

Upright Barbell Rows
215 6x6

Seated Cable Rows (I thru in a little more back because I need it)
220 2x8

Standing Barbell Curls
110 6x6

Tricep Cable Pressdowns
200 6x12

Abs
Bodyweight 4x20.....I was supposed to do 6x20 but my abs started cramping something awful!

This entire workout (36 sets) took about 45 minutes! I was dog tired by the end of it...no additional cardio needed! Thanks for the awesome routine advice Captain....lower body tomorrow :chomp:

Also just noticed an error in my post...I did 115 for my upright rows...not 215. My shoulders aren't that strong, lol!
 
Man, the 315 was probably a touch too much for flat....especially since I jumped right under it without warming up! Will probably back off to 275 or 295 on Wednesday and do a 6x8 for that instead of 6x6. Joints definitely appreciated not being pounded as hard as in the past. The only thing bothering me still is a nagging left shoulder injury. Staying away from incline bench and military shoulder presses definitely gave it a nice break today though. I REALLY wish we had the Hammer Strength machines, but alas we have Cybex machines and they just aren't as good. My old gym (which closed down) had Hammer machines that you loaded plates on and I loved them. I am really interested to see how my knees feel after doing the lower body workout tomorrow.

Yah legs are great for overload training. When I told you that you can do variations when not doing a specific overload training routine, thats usually how I do legs.

Last week I did

Extensions 8x8 with 135
Abductors 8x8 with 100
Adductors 8x8 with 100
Leg Curls 8x8 with 90

All with 30 seconds rest between sets. Two days later I was walking like an idiot. I had muscle soreness in areas I didn't know I had muscles.
 
Yah legs are great for overload training. When I told you that you can do variations when not doing a specific overload training routine, thats usually how I do legs.

Last week I did

Extensions 8x8 with 135
Abductors 8x8 with 100
Adductors 8x8 with 100
Leg Curls 8x8 with 90

All with 30 seconds rest between sets. Two days later I was walking like an idiot. I had muscle soreness in areas I didn't know I had muscles.

Hey Suzanne Summers called, she wants her workout back!:D
 
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