Back to cruising, ADVICE PLEASE???

[thatbloke]

okay so ill be stopping my current cycle very soonish and returning back to crusing

wanted peoples opinions on what would be a good cruise, and how long i should cruise for before getting into another cycle? (going to post another thread up on this cycle)

previous cruise was 250mg test cyp for 3 months

for this cruise im thinking

300mg test cyp weekly for 2-3 months

i also came up with the idea of this cruise

250mg test cyp, 50mg deca weekly

reason is i have some left over deca from this cycle, since i stopped using deca becuase i didnt really like it at all, so thought maybe low dose would be nice for cruise

WHAT DO YALL THINK?

if anyone has had good experience with other forms of cruise protocols post them up

STATS
5'10, 224 pounds, bf% between 9-10%

 

[DJ_UFO]

That's not a cruise. That's a never ending cycle.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Subbed to this....

Were you using hcg during your previous cruise bro ?

 

[Para_Shoot]

Whats wrong with a normal "cuise" using 100~150mg only of test a week? Like the other guys said, your idea of 300mg a week for a cruise is a never ending cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

okay so ill be stopping my current cycle very soonish and returning back to crusing

wanted peoples opinions on what would be a good cruise, and how long i should cruise for before getting into another cycle? (going to post another thread up on this cycle)

previous cruise was 250mg test cyp for 3 months

for this cruise im thinking

300mg test cyp weekly for 2-3 months

i also came up with the idea of this cruise

250mg test cyp, 50mg deca weekly

reason is i have some left over deca from this cycle, since i stopped using deca becuase i didnt really like it at all, so thought maybe low dose would be nice for cruise

WHAT DO YALL THINK?

if anyone has had good experience with other forms of cruise protocols post them up

STATS
5'10, 224 pounds, bf% between 9-10%

Honestly, with that approach, it doesn't matter much.

 

[GrownUp]

So what's a good cruise, little to no long-term sides, etc...

 

[zedhed]

If it were me I would go with this,
150-200 mg test / week
100-200 deca / week
Deca at 50 I dont think is even enough for soft tissue therapy.
At that low dosage of Deca I would be surprised if you got any sides at all.

 

[GrownUp]

I cruise at 250mg EW Test E and thought it was good, but I see suggestions here for 100-150mg EW and seems low, but I don't want to b close minded, specially when it comes to my health!!

 

[joe d]

i would run 100-150mg ew of test and run other things like gh a shuttling agent and some t3. its not just about preserving mass its about giving your body a break. keeping high test levels all the time is pretty risky.

if you want to keep going farther then upping the dose is going to become the only way eventually.

 

[genetics]

I'm going to approach this thread a little differently here..as i myself sail in the same boat to a great extent..

First off, thatbloke, you said you PROLLY produce 100 - 150mgs of T ew on your own...

I strongly beg to differ. Because, if you had 150mgs of T ew on your own, you'd be on so called - " Nature's Cruise " - as the amount of muscle you'd have naturally build, made AND held would akin a regular roider's.

So i guess this is where you are pretty much mistaken.

BUT...having said that...

I think too that you'd need atleast 200mgs ew as a cruising dose taking into consideration your height, weight and age ( which you havn't mentioned - but i assume you must atleast be in your mid 30s ) not to speak of the lean mass held on lol...

Therefore i think :

You should cruise for the same amount of time you blasted...ie.., the same fundamental calculation used by folk who cycle, pct and then stay off. Generally, time on = time off is what people follow. I'd say, time ON ( blast ) = time OFF ( cruise ). Thats the way i do it.

I'm currently on a 12 week blast doing 1050mgs TE ew and once the blast period is done with, will cruise for 2 1/2 months - 3 months thereabouts before the next blast.

Now, another thing to be noted is the actual T you get while determining your cruising dosages. Assuming you were cruising with either Cyp or Enan, the actual T you get is around 69 - 71 mgs PER 100mgs of the hormone. Ester weight. Oil weight. Therefore, while cruising on say 200mgs ew, the actual amount of T you are giving to your body is somewhere around 140 mgs. And i think thats fine.

Only, while cruising, you'd feel safer getting regular bloods done, just to rest assured nothing's getting out of hands, so to speak.

With regards to the Deca - I'd shelve it. No point. Might as well do a 400mgs ew blast along with your next T blast...

And congrats on the hcg call. I'm doing the same. Stopped running the hcg for over a year. Minimal shrinkage so far. Balls to the balls

Regards,

- gen.

 

[GrownUp]

I'm going to approach this thread a little differently here..as i myself sail in the same boat to a great extent..

First off, thatbloke, you said you PROLLY produce 100 - 150mgs of T ew on your own...

I strongly beg to differ. Because, if you had 150mgs of T ew on your own, you'd be on so called - " Nature's Cruise " - as the amount of muscle you'd have naturally build, made AND held would akin a regular roider's.

So i guess this is where you are pretty much mistaken.

BUT...having said that...

I think too that you'd need atleast 200mgs ew as a cruising dose taking into consideration your height, weight and age ( which you havn't mentioned - but i assume you must atleast be in your mid 30s ) not to speak of the lean mass held on lol...

Therefore i think :

You should cruise for the same amount of time you blasted...ie.., the same fundamental calculation used by folk who cycle, pct and then stay off. Generally, time on = time off is what people follow. I'd say, time ON ( blast ) = time OFF ( cruise ). Thats the way i do it.

I'm currently on a 12 week blast doing 1050mgs TE ew and once the blast period is done with, will cruise for 2 1/2 months - 3 months thereabouts before the next blast.

Now, another thing to be noted is the actual T you get while determining your cruising dosages. Assuming you were cruising with either Cyp or Enan, the actual T you get is around 69 - 71 mgs PER 100mgs of the hormone. Ester weight. Oil weight. Therefore, while cruising on say 200mgs ew, the actual amount of T you are giving to your body is somewhere around 140 mgs. And i think thats fine.

Only, while cruising, you'd feel safer getting regular bloods done, just to rest assured nothing's getting out of hands, so to speak.

With regards to the Deca - I'd shelve it. No point. Might as well do a 400mgs ew blast along with your next T blast...

And congrats on the hcg call. I'm doing the same. Stopped running the hcg for over a year. Minimal shrinkage so far. Balls to the balls

Regards,

- gen.

How many mg's of test do you use to cruise, if I may ask?? You mentioned 200mg EW for thatbloke but didn't mention what you use, plus your weight, height, etc. I know, is a hell of a question, but would like your input if at all possible, just for reference...

 

[genetics]

How many mg's of test do you use to cruise, if I may ask?? You mentioned 200mg EW for thatbloke but didn't mention what you use, plus your weight, height, etc. I know, is a hell of a question, but would like your input if at all possible, just for reference...

I ran 150mgs TE ew in my last cruise and am' thinking of upping it to 180mgs ew thereabouts...or maybe just 200mgs...this time round...

I'm 5' 11 and weigh 190lbs currently. And i'm 38.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The thing is this...

...people use terms like blasting and cruising as if they have some medical validity to them. They're just made up expressions.

The body doesn't react to these terms. All it knows is that there's an exogenous hormone in the body and will react accordingly -- both in terms of benefit and negative side effect. And those effects will be dose and duration dependent.

So you can try and fake out Mother Nature all you want but the bottom line is, if you do too much, you're doing damage, and if you're on non stop, you're shut down. And the longer you're shut down, the longer it will take to recover.

Now, if you have no interest in recovering, then just stay on. But debating the merits of and extra 100 mgs here or there doesn't really matter much.

 

[C.K.]

I actually cant wait to come off during the end of my cycle but thats just me... creatine is great for maintaining strength and gains!

 

[GrownUp]

The thing is this...

...people use terms like blasting and cruising as if they have some medical validity to them. They're just made up expressions.

The body doesn't react to these terms. All it knows is that there's an exogenous hormone in the body and will react accordingly -- both in terms of benefit and negative side effect. And those effects will be dose and duration dependent.

So you can try and fake out Mother Nature all you want but the bottom line is, if you do too much, you're doing damage, and if you're on non stop, you're shut down. And the longer you're shut down, the longer it will take to recover.

Now, if you have no interest in recovering, then just stay on. But debating the merits of and extra 100 mgs here or there doesn't really matter much.

I agree with this Nelson, granted I don't have nearly as much experience as you do, but from personal experience cruising at 250mgs worked out much better for me than 150mg, I am completely uninterested in recovery, is pretty simple really, I got really, really tired and frustrated with PCT, depression, lose some size and muscle after working so hard for it, that being said, what exactly do you mean by 100mgs doesn't really matter much, I can take that comment a couple of ways, do you mean, 100mgs give or take shouldn't really matter as you are causing the damage already or what? Because @ 150mg I was losing size and weight slowly but surely even on a good diet and no cardio and with 250mg which is 100mg more, I am in my sweet spot and really happy with that decision, but if I am causing irreversible damage in the long run, I'd like to know your opinion, save me a visit to the Dr. namsayin!!

 

[UpStateCan]

This is the proper dosage for test E when prescribed by a doctor.

Men: The usual adult dose of testosterone in men ranges from 100 mg to 400 mg injected in the gluteus maximus muscle (buttocks) by your doctor every 4 to 12 weeks. The dose and length of treatment will depend on your condition, and your response to the medication.

 

[Nelson Montana]

nelson blasting and crusing are a comman slang names for what im doing on most steroid forums, how else should i post up a thread on the subject

do you really think its nessecary to pick at the wording i use for my thread?

im aware of being shutdown, negative side effect etc, im not asking on how to recover

i clearly plan to stay on cycle

im looking for suggestions for a cruise, and IMO debating an etra 100mg is worthwhile when ti comes ot crusing, im looking to get the msot outa my cruise while giving ym body the best breka i can

saying 250mg cruise, to a 350mg isnt much different sint correct, a perosn size and goals will determine this so it is worthwhile asking for advice on the topic

I'm not trying to piss on your thread bro, I'm just saying an 100 mgs will be an extra 100 mgs. It's not like it's an exact science.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I actually kinda started cycling abit aggressively and ending up sitting in a cruise state for almost 5 months before I came off with nolva, clomid and sustain alpha.

I used 250mg sust a week which is effectively less than 200-250 test e.

At 5'8.5" and 220lbs I lost 18lbs over the course of 5 months(down from 238lbs), but this is because I was being a dumb shit and wasn't working out nor eating nearly enough.

At that dose I could still hop into the gym after 2+ months with zero workouts other than my active construction job and close grip 225 at will.

I would go with 1 ml=250 test e a week since you are holding more muscle at less fat than I was. I'm willing to bet if you keep your training solid and diet good that you will lose minimal strength and size at that dose.

I'm pretty sure that the average male produces 7-11mg test a day with 11 being on the high end.

250mg test e is roughly 3.5x the high end figure per week.

 

[REFORMATA]

LOL wheres ROSS when you need him?

thatbloke: I think you had a good idea with the low deca dosage..why not? It is a human grade steroid..good for joints..why didnt you enjoy it?

 

[Varga]

Well this is my cruise
6ft 260lbs right now bf prob 12-13%
Test cyp 200mg/prop100mg per week
-I do a shot of test cyp on sunday and a shot of prop thursday if I dont add the prop my levels drop too low
-HGH 1IU eod
-IGF 40days ON 40days or so off
Have no prob maintaining even with hardly training lately but I make sure I eat properly all the time.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

It's amazing what having elevated andro levels can do for maintaining already built muscle especially since higher doses were used to build it in the first place.

 

[Para_Shoot]

I guess I am getting everyones idea of a "cruising" dose confused with "HRT" dose. I thought the idea to cruise was to take an HRT dose the entire time between the blasts, as to just keep your test within normal range, which is why 150mg of test a week comes to mind. It just seems that people try to justify 250~300mg of product a week as a "cruise" dose when in reality you are never comming off a cylce and keeping your test values through the roof. Yes, I know the introdution of external test shuts you down no matter what, but I just thought the "cruise" was at least supposed to keep your test within normal limits. Maybe there are "HRT" people that blast and cruise and maybe there are "blast and cruisers" that have no interest in being on HRT.

 

[HAYEZ]

do you plan to come off? do you want kids?

if no to either cruise for 300 and you will be fine

get bloodwork done

when i cycle i blast for 10 weeks then cruise for 4-6 weeks then blast again...no reason to take same time off that just foolish in my opinion..your not trying to save your hpta its already suppressed...your letting your myostatin levels return to normal so you can blast again and get good results

i cruise at 400mg ew..havnt been off in 3 years now i think

 

[HAYEZ]

i plan to come off one day (no time soon at all) for only the sake of every having kids, alwise ill stay on

later in life id like to have kids, but they wouldnt be for another 5-6 years if it was to happen

okay so u think the time on time off idea u dont have to run

explain what u mean by getitng ur myostatin levels back down?

i always thought idea of cruise was to give your body a break, and let it become senstive to gear again since while on cycle our bodys begin to adjust to the gear by raising SHGB, cortisol and receptor desenatisation begins (a theory) which slows gains down (the taper effect)

if ya want kids one day make sure to keep on hcg form now on dont slack or your chances are very low

google Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum:... read that study will explain it..i cant post it here tho

its the reason why your cycle stalls after 8 weeks

 

[Varga]

thanks mate, seems very popular everyone running HGH during a cruise, never see the IGF run though, interesting

My point is to multiply muscle cells rather then keep blowing my existing ones to the max,
By doing this I can keep gains easier and when I decide to go on a heavy cycle I can really blow up then
Eversince I've been able to multiply muscle cells im making bigger gains on less juice but I have to eat a bit more.
If you want to compete you might want to look into it.
I dont compete but never the less I can see what this stuff can do

 

[zack!!!]

interesting

 

[C0LUMB0]

I guess I am getting everyones idea of a "cruising" dose confused with "HRT" dose. I thought the idea to cruise was to take an HRT dose the entire time between the blasts, as to just keep your test within normal range, which is why 150mg of test a week comes to mind. It just seems that people try to justify 250~300mg of product a week as a "cruise" dose when in reality you are never comming off a cylce and keeping your test values through the roof. Yes, I know the introdution of external test shuts you down no matter what, but I just thought the "cruise" was at least supposed to keep your test within normal limits. Maybe there are "HRT" people that blast and cruise and maybe there are "blast and cruisers" that have no interest in being on HRT.

+1...I thought cruising on a HRT dose 100-150mg EW would be sufficient to maintain gains between cycles.

 

[joe d]

+1...I thought cruising on a HRT dose 100-150mg EW would be sufficient to maintain gains between cycles.

it will to a certain extent. in a nut shell the more steroids it took to get to a size the more it will take to keep it. more steroids along with other needed compounds will lead to more size. it also leads to more risks.

 

[HAYEZ]

thanks mate researched the study. very interesting, but ur right very easy to find with google lol

did you find the whole article? if not ill email it to you

 

[C0LUMB0]

it will to a certain extent. in a nut shell the more steroids it took to get to a size the more it will take to keep it. more steroids along with other needed compounds will lead to more size. it also leads to more risks.

Cheers Joe.

 

[stevesmi]

if ya want kids one day make sure to keep on hcg form now on dont slack or your chances are very low

google Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum:... read that study will explain it..i cant post it here tho

its the reason why your cycle stalls after 8 weeks

good post. so true, my first cycle it was like i wasn't even on anything after week 6 or 7. i had all my gains early.

but this current cycle i actually am surging and the strongest i've been on week 12, i wonder if the hcgenerate i started taking 3 weeks ago solved it.