B4 and After IP Pics

[TexasBig]

Sorry it's taken so long to get back to some of the replies, but here they are:

EXTYSOG - I took ALA for a liver protectant and to help me with higher carb meals. Based on all that I've read about it, I thought it couldn't hurt, only help.

ONEMIND - I ended my cycle the last week in July. Pics were taken about 4-5 days after.

PAPAPUMP - I purchased directly from IP. I'll update my profile so you can pm me.

STRONG WON - My right arm could actually be larger than my left, but I think it's not as dramatic as in the pic because I had to hold and push the remote button to snap the picture. So, one arm is flexed and better posed than the other.

AL FONS - I'll post my diet later today under "Texas' Diet"

HIGH INTENSITY - I think I do have a small bit of gyno. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, I did a couple of cycles of deca and cyp. At the time, didn't even know what an anti-est was (or clomid for that matter). The dude I got them from I don't think even knew of them. Anyway, THANKS FOR NOTICING AND POINTING IT OUT TO EVERYONE! j/k

KAOZ & ZEN - I'm pretty sure it was the .45 size filter. I did a search on this board for some sources and info, but I can't remember where I got them (pharmtools?)

DIGMORTAL - I'm such an idiot!! I took my measurements prior to the cycle, but forgot afterwards. I'll take them this week some time and post them.

And thanks for all of the kudos. I really worked hard with this cycle, both training and diet. For those who can train hard all of the time and eat clean most of the time... I take my hat off to you. I found out it's all about preparation in advance.

Later.

 

[JibbyJabba]

you still did not give me names of the brands you beleave are the best

Serge I think you are missing the point...but, here are a few I've done...

Test Cyp by Upjohn
Zambon Winstrol
Deca by Organon
Primo by Schering
Oxandrolone by SPA

I am not saying I wasn't a dumb kid once and have never done vet gear...this is just the human grade stuff I've done. In the future, I would be willing to look at the possibility of doing anything that is made by a licensed and fully respected pharmaceutical company. As in, a company whose primary income is not from Bodybuilders. You see, these companies have to make their meds for people who are legally prescribed them, and if these people get fucked up off them because of impurities or whatnot, they are legally allowed to sue the shit out of these companies. This is not a concern that IP is faced with...

I'll say it again...if you are going to use Bootleg or veterinary gear then that is fine...you'll probably get huge, just don't pretend like its in the best interest of your health.

 

[serge]

Serge I think you are missing the point...but, here are a few I've done...

Test Cyp by Upjohn
Zambon Winstrol
Deca by Organon
Primo by Schering
Oxandrolone by SPA

I am not saying I wasn't a dumb kid once and have never done vet gear...this is just the human grade stuff I've done. In the future, I would be willing to look at the possibility of doing anything that is made by a licensed and fully respected pharmaceutical company. As in, a company whose primary income is not from Bodybuilders. You see, these companies have to make their meds for people who are legally prescribed them, and if these people get fucked up off them because of impurities or whatnot, they are legally allowed to sue the shit out of these companies. This is not a concern that IP is faced with...

I'll say it again...if you are going to use Bootleg or veterinary gear then that is fine...you'll probably get huge, just don't pretend like its in the best interest of your health.

i agree on companies like Organon (love their products, all top notch), Shering.......very good, stood the test of time; Zambon's are the best winnies out and are well worth the price

but those 3 are where are will draw the line on worthy/quality pharmacuticals, i dont beleave TT, Brovel, QV are ANY better then IP's stuff, moreover thay have been proven to be underdosed and/or not sterile on more then one ocasion

"I'll say it again...if you are going to use Bootleg or veterinary gear then that is fine...you'll probably get huge, just don't pretend like its in the best interest of your health."

well made point, i do agree once again

 

[jboldman]

I have not personally heard of more horror stories from IP gear than any other gear relating to health issues. Sure I guess that if we were all rich and famous human grade gear would be the way to go but for those of us that have known and trusted IP for years, I say that is a viable alternative. It would be a mistake to characterize all IP users as young naive users who do not know any better. Serious mistake! I am as old or older that most here and am very careful about what I put in my body and have no problems with IP. The minute anyone uses a kit, any vet steroid, or anything but human grade reported in the pdr anabolic, all bets are off! Period! And I doubt that there are many that stick that close to their philosophy. Congratulations to you, jibbijabbi if you are abe to pull it off, unfortunately most of us are not able or willing.

jb

 

[JibbyJabba]

i dont beleave TT, Brovel, QV are ANY better then IP's stuff, moreover thay have been proven to be underdosed and/or not sterile on more then one ocasion

Agreed... most of the veterinary vet products are used, if not by BB'ers, to beef up cattle prior to slaughter... If I was producing gear for their company, I wouldn't be too worried about impurities. You know, it really wouldn't surprise me if you are correct and that IP is more consistently sterile and/or dosed. Its just that I have a past incident with IP that makes me think he is far from the most careful, meticulous individual....here, you can read it if you want:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=106971

With this said, I still think that certain vet gear, like Upjohn Winny and Fort Dodge EQ, which is primarily used for million dollar race horses is probably going to be as pure as you can get.

Originally posted by serge


well made point, i do agree once again

Excellent...thank you.

 

[JibbyJabba]

Congratulations to you, jibbijabbi if you are abe to pull it off, unfortunately most of us are not able or willing.

jb

Well, then IMO, most of us shouldn't be juicing... but I guess thats a moot point.

 

[bigrand]

I dont want to stop juicing just because its expensive to buy the human grade stuff....
Using vet gear is not a HUGE health risk, its basically the same as human grade, just lower quality. Its not like its some different compound that will fuck us up. It works. So does IP (i will only use his tabs though) and at a low cost. If we want to improve our bodies chemically, we shouldnt be stopped by the high price of human gear.