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B4 and After IP Pics

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TexasBig

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See pics at:

http://community.webshots.com/user/texasbig

Okay-

For all of you non-IP believers, I thought I would be the guinney pig and do an all IP cycle. I did an 8 wk cycle consisting of:

50mg winny ed
400mg eq per week
200mg deca per week
200mg of the prop/suspension per week
plus IP nolvadex, clomid (after) and superclen (after)
and 900mg - 1000mg ALA per day

I'm 34, I was 5'7" 170 lbs upon starting the cycle, and I'm now 182 lbs.

I liked the cycle so much, I'm going to do the same cycle in the spring.

Peace
 
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My cardio was about 2 - 3 times per week alternating between hitting the heavy bag and cycling (sometimes stairs).

As far as the diet, I ate really clean. Pretty much consisted of all chicken, tuna, and protein shakes for my protein. Only minimal carbs (75-100 per day) and totally quit drinking alcohol. Oh, I also quit eating any and all protein bars. They seemed to have too many carbs for me.
 
Nice... quite impressive... :)
 
Pat-

Strength went up somewhat. For example, bench went up from 275 for one rep to 315 for 5-7 reps.

Also, you really can't see it in the pics, but I actually got pretty vascular/veiny (for me). Especially after the pumps in the gym. These pics were taken b4 my workout so maybe that's why.

Later
 
If you get a good batch, you get a good batch, if you get a bad one you get a bad one. it's the luck of the draw.
 
HAHA
IP proof here.......
I have heard nothing but good about his winny. Actually, the only bad IP product (according to others) is the drol.
This bros pics prove that shit.
 
Awesome improvement bro!

Just finishing up a cycle myself, not IP. T400, Deca, and Stanz. Have very similar stats and physiques, 33 yrs old, 5'6", started at 185 and am now about 205. holding more fat than you around the mid-section, but otherwise pretty tight. never used the IP stuff, and frankly have no idea how to get it. have heard many mixed comments on his stuff. if you don't mind me asking, what did the ALA do for you?

Again, good work.

see ya

tried your hotmail account, but no such luck.....
 
damn . . .

you look a lot heavier than 182lbs., and i mean that in a good way. nice job, considering some IP for next cycle, did you get em from a reseller or straight from the man himself?
 
good results, I have good sucess with IP as well but not as dramatic as I was trying only for fat loss. I see you ripped pretty good, I have to agree the pumps were pretty sick. keep it up....
 
Hows the sex drive comin along post cycle?
 
Damn Bro, you look solid.... I did an IP winny only cycle 50mg ED and loved it... got pretty cut, but damn bro... you totally morphed haha good work
 
I am sorry... I am sure I will be flamed for this, but I belive in honesty over flattery. Sure the guy got bigger, but by no means do I consider his gains to be as impressive as people are letting on. Certainly not enough to justify the use of bootleg gear...

What I see here: mediocre gains from products that, in the best cases, are known to be mediocre, and in the worst cases, known to be completely shitty.

Go with the real deal next time...and do some oblique work and more legs.

Don't get me wrong, you're a decent size...but Its gonna take a lot more for me to start praising IP gear.
 
Looks awesome!!! I always knew IP worked. I just didn't like finding pieces of junk floating in my Cyp! Keep up the great work.
 
Pretty nice... you look thinker, and tighter... is it the lighting, or is your right tri a touch smaller? I have the same problem with mine... (pisses me off)...

Looks great man... Quite impressed...
 
ZKaudio-

I finished the cycle 3 weeks ago and still on clomid, but my sex drive is definately lower. Good thing as my wife is in her 9th month of pregnancy, so she just thinks I'm being "sweet" for not wanting her to give me some booty. Anyway, I'm really hoping all the sex drive comes back in the next couple of weeks.

Also, just an FYI to those who use or are considering using IP, I did filter all of his injectables before using, but did not bake 'em.
 
SOLID!!!

Looking great bro. Actually looks like you transformed fat into muscle...The only thing I don't like with *P is the pain I get from *P:s stuff(not EQ and DECA).

It seems like lots of folks respond very well to low carb diets while on gear. Better than high carb/low fat bulk diets???
 
TexasBig said:
ZKaudio-

Also, just an FYI to those who use or are considering using IP, I did filter all of his injectables before using, but did not bake 'em.
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Smart man!
 
TexasBig said:
See pics at:

http://community.webshots.com/user/texasbig

Okay-

For all of you non-IP believers, I thought I would be the guinney pig and do an all IP cycle. I did an 8 wk cycle consisting of:

50mg winny ed
400mg eq per week
200mg deca per week
200mg of the prop/suspension per week
plus IP nolvadex, clomid (after) and superclen (after)
and 900mg - 1000mg ALA per day

I'm 34, I was 5'7" 170 lbs upon starting the cycle, and I'm now 182 lbs.

I liked the cycle so much, I'm going to do the same cycle in the spring.

Peace
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Very nice job, so much for IP gear being bunk; you have made some very substantial progress

CONGRATS BRO
 
OK, WHERE ARE THE IP BASHERS??????????

COME OUT COME OUT WHERE EVER YOU FUCKING HATERS ARE

NO NEED TO STAY SHUT, LETS HEAR THEM IP COMENTS, COME ON NOW
 
TexasBig: I would be glad if you could post your diet, so please do..How much protein, and fat? How many calories?
 
is there gyno there guys?

no flame just wondering, I can never tell
 
out of curiosity, did u use a .21 or .45 micron filter? Did this lessen the pain (can't see how b/c it won't lessen ba concentration,) and how much of the total gear was lost..thanks.
 
serge said:
OK, WHERE ARE THE IP BASHERS??????????

COME OUT COME OUT WHERE EVER YOU FUCKING HATERS ARE

NO NEED TO STAY SHUT, LETS HEAR THEM IP COMENTS, COME ON NOW
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read my earlier response, I am still not impressed... Is this really what you guys looks like when you come off cycle??
 
JibbyJabba said:


read my earlier response, I am still not impressed... Is this really what you guys looks like when you come off cycle??
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well we all cant make 40lb LEAN-FAT-FREE MUSCLE GAINS from running whatever the fuck you run, like you man; what is ttokyyo, Brovel? QV?
 
JibbyJabba said:
I am sorry... I am sure I will be flamed for this, but I belive in honesty over flattery. Sure the guy got bigger, but by no means do I consider his gains to be as impressive as people are letting on. Certainly not enough to justify the use of bootleg gear...

What I see here: mediocre gains from products that, in the best cases, are known to be mediocre, and in the worst cases, known to be completely shitty.

Go with the real deal next time...and do some oblique work and more legs.

Don't get me wrong, you're a decent size...but Its gonna take a lot more for me to start praising IP gear.
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just out of curiosity, what gear do you praise? if any
 
very good job.......well done!

On my own experience with ip,until recently i was using his cyp in a cycle but had to stop and switch to test depot.There was nothing wrong with the dosing of my batch but i had to stop using it because the pain was just too much.Maybe i just can't tolerate ba like others can.His gear was working but it was just too painful,couldn't walk for 4 days type of pain.


His eq,dbol,arimidex,clomid all worked well in the past for me.

Just my thoughts on the guy,not a flame.
 
serge said:


just out of curiosity, what gear do you praise? if any
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Gear made by pharmaceutical companies intended for humans...

Only exceptions to this would be Upjohn Winny and Fort Dodge EQ...


well we all cant make 40lb LEAN-FAT-FREE MUSCLE GAINS from running whatever the fuck you run
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If you read my previous posts, you will see that I admit he looks larger...I never have claimed to make "40lb LEAN-FAT-FREE MUSCLE GAINS", however I do look SUBSTANTIALLY leaner after a cycle than before (no, I am not ectomorphic). This guy has a spare tire around his waist. I understand why guys eat like shit when bulking if they are competitors, but not if they are cycling for cosmetic reasons - which, since he hasn't said otherwise, I assume is the reason he is using AS.

Don't get all pissed at me because I don't take this guy's situation as definitive proof of the excellence of IP gear... If you're too broke or cheap to buy real gear, then fine with me, go with IP stuff...just don't try to tell me that its a decision thats in the best interest of your health.
 
Nice gains man. I'm curious as to how many inches have you put on. Like what were your measurements for your arms,chest, and legs before the cycle? And what are they now?
 
JibbyJabba said:


Gear made by pharmaceutical companies intended for humans...

Only exceptions to this would be Upjohn Winny and Fort Dodge EQ...




If you read my previous posts, you will see that I admit he looks larger...I never have claimed to make "40lb LEAN-FAT-FREE MUSCLE GAINS", however I do look SUBSTANTIALLY leaner after a cycle than before (no, I am not ectomorphic). This guy has a spare tire around his waist. I understand why guys eat like shit when bulking if they are competitors, but not if they are cycling for cosmetic reasons - which, since he hasn't said otherwise, I assume is the reason he is using AS.

Don't get all pissed at me because I don't take this guy's situation as definitive proof of the excellence of IP gear... If you're too broke or cheap to buy real gear, then fine with me, go with IP stuff...just don't try to tell me that its a decision thats in the best interest of your health.
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you still did not give me names of the brands you beleave are the best
 
Sorry it's taken so long to get back to some of the replies, but here they are:

EXTYSOG - I took ALA for a liver protectant and to help me with higher carb meals. Based on all that I've read about it, I thought it couldn't hurt, only help.

ONEMIND - I ended my cycle the last week in July. Pics were taken about 4-5 days after.

PAPAPUMP - I purchased directly from IP. I'll update my profile so you can pm me.

STRONG WON - My right arm could actually be larger than my left, but I think it's not as dramatic as in the pic because I had to hold and push the remote button to snap the picture. So, one arm is flexed and better posed than the other.

AL FONS - I'll post my diet later today under "Texas' Diet"

HIGH INTENSITY - I think I do have a small bit of gyno. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, I did a couple of cycles of deca and cyp. At the time, didn't even know what an anti-est was (or clomid for that matter). The dude I got them from I don't think even knew of them. Anyway, THANKS FOR NOTICING AND POINTING IT OUT TO EVERYONE! j/k

KAOZ & ZEN - I'm pretty sure it was the .45 size filter. I did a search on this board for some sources and info, but I can't remember where I got them (pharmtools?)

DIGMORTAL - I'm such an idiot!! I took my measurements prior to the cycle, but forgot afterwards. I'll take them this week some time and post them.

And thanks for all of the kudos. I really worked hard with this cycle, both training and diet. For those who can train hard all of the time and eat clean most of the time... I take my hat off to you. I found out it's all about preparation in advance.

Later.
 
serge said:


you still did not give me names of the brands you beleave are the best
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Serge I think you are missing the point...but, here are a few I've done...

Test Cyp by Upjohn
Zambon Winstrol
Deca by Organon
Primo by Schering
Oxandrolone by SPA

I am not saying I wasn't a dumb kid once and have never done vet gear...this is just the human grade stuff I've done. In the future, I would be willing to look at the possibility of doing anything that is made by a licensed and fully respected pharmaceutical company. As in, a company whose primary income is not from Bodybuilders. You see, these companies have to make their meds for people who are legally prescribed them, and if these people get fucked up off them because of impurities or whatnot, they are legally allowed to sue the shit out of these companies. This is not a concern that IP is faced with...

I'll say it again...if you are going to use Bootleg or veterinary gear then that is fine...you'll probably get huge, just don't pretend like its in the best interest of your health.
 
JibbyJabba said:


Serge I think you are missing the point...but, here are a few I've done...

Test Cyp by Upjohn
Zambon Winstrol
Deca by Organon
Primo by Schering
Oxandrolone by SPA

I am not saying I wasn't a dumb kid once and have never done vet gear...this is just the human grade stuff I've done. In the future, I would be willing to look at the possibility of doing anything that is made by a licensed and fully respected pharmaceutical company. As in, a company whose primary income is not from Bodybuilders. You see, these companies have to make their meds for people who are legally prescribed them, and if these people get fucked up off them because of impurities or whatnot, they are legally allowed to sue the shit out of these companies. This is not a concern that IP is faced with...

I'll say it again...if you are going to use Bootleg or veterinary gear then that is fine...you'll probably get huge, just don't pretend like its in the best interest of your health.
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i agree on companies like Organon (love their products, all top notch), Shering.......very good, stood the test of time; Zambon's are the best winnies out and are well worth the price

but those 3 are where are will draw the line on worthy/quality pharmacuticals, i dont beleave TT, Brovel, QV are ANY better then IP's stuff, moreover thay have been proven to be underdosed and/or not sterile on more then one ocasion

"I'll say it again...if you are going to use Bootleg or veterinary gear then that is fine...you'll probably get huge, just don't pretend like its in the best interest of your health."

well made point, i do agree once again
 
I have not personally heard of more horror stories from IP gear than any other gear relating to health issues. Sure I guess that if we were all rich and famous human grade gear would be the way to go but for those of us that have known and trusted IP for years, I say that is a viable alternative. It would be a mistake to characterize all IP users as young naive users who do not know any better. Serious mistake! I am as old or older that most here and am very careful about what I put in my body and have no problems with IP. The minute anyone uses a kit, any vet steroid, or anything but human grade reported in the pdr anabolic, all bets are off! Period! And I doubt that there are many that stick that close to their philosophy. Congratulations to you, jibbijabbi if you are abe to pull it off, unfortunately most of us are not able or willing.

jb
 
serge said:


i dont beleave TT, Brovel, QV are ANY better then IP's stuff, moreover thay have been proven to be underdosed and/or not sterile on more then one ocasion
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Agreed... most of the veterinary vet products are used, if not by BB'ers, to beef up cattle prior to slaughter... If I was producing gear for their company, I wouldn't be too worried about impurities. You know, it really wouldn't surprise me if you are correct and that IP is more consistently sterile and/or dosed. Its just that I have a past incident with IP that makes me think he is far from the most careful, meticulous individual....here, you can read it if you want:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=106971

With this said, I still think that certain vet gear, like Upjohn Winny and Fort Dodge EQ, which is primarily used for million dollar race horses is probably going to be as pure as you can get.

Originally posted by serge


well made point, i do agree once again
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Excellent...thank you.
 
jboldman said:
Congratulations to you, jibbijabbi if you are abe to pull it off, unfortunately most of us are not able or willing.

jb
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Well, then IMO, most of us shouldn't be juicing... but I guess thats a moot point.
 
I dont want to stop juicing just because its expensive to buy the human grade stuff....
Using vet gear is not a HUGE health risk, its basically the same as human grade, just lower quality. Its not like its some different compound that will fuck us up. It works. So does IP (i will only use his tabs though) and at a low cost. If we want to improve our bodies chemically, we shouldnt be stopped by the high price of human gear.
 
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