Anyone here dating a stripper?

[Satyricon2004]

Im seeing a girl right now and have been for over 6 months, she is a dancer and the seriousness of our relationship reached engagement in september. I was ok with everything, but now.. things seems to be changing..

It friggin awkward to know that you fiance stands around naked in front of other guys.. even tho she just wants them for their money, its pretty far away from the norm...

I know that this is like a disease, most guys wants this setting, but when they get it, they cant handle it, the fact that their girls are still dancers..

Need to use some psychology on myself to change the ways i think about things... wondering, anyone else dating, seeing, married to or in any way in a relationship with a dancing woman?

Is jealousy a problem? How do you deal with it and is there a way of thinking that will make it all non important...

 

[Devastation]

jealousy used to be a problem. up until the point i made her quit

 

[KillahBee]

See my sig. Thank you.

 

[Dakotah]

Im seeing a girl right now and have been for over 6 months, she is a dancer and the seriousness of our relationship reached engagement in september. I was ok with everything, but now.. things seems to be changing..

It friggin awkward to know that you fiance stands around naked in front of other guys.. even tho she just wants them for their money, its pretty far away from the norm...

I know that this is like a disease, most guys wants this setting, but when they get it, they cant handle it, the fact that their girls are still dancers..

Need to use some psychology on myself to change the ways i think about things... wondering, anyone else dating, seeing, married to or in any way in a relationship with a dancing woman?

Is jealousy a problem? How do you deal with it and is there a way of thinking that will make it all non important...

Talk to Devastation - he know first hand about all that.

We have been together for 10 months going on 11 the 15th we havent reached engagement due to many reasons. Maybe you could PM him he would be happy to talk aboput it.

All I can say is it got really hard for both of us when I danced. I havent dance for about 2 months but may have to go back a few times in the future. If she really loves you she wouldnt want to dance anymore at all. not saying that she wont have to but she shouldnt WANT to dance anymore.

 

[jerseyart]

My ex was (go go dancer, not nude, bathingsuit/lingerie type thing) but same issues.

I never went to see her perform. That's key. Seeing that crap will fuck with your head. But I did go once on an off day to see what happened in there. No lap dances back then, so it wasnt too bad.

But then again when we started datign she was ready to quit, and I enver pretended to be cool with it at any point. She stopped within a few months, and really only did it three weeks into our relationship (didnt accept bookings after that, then quit altogether).

It isnt just the money bor, though of course thats a big part of it man. They also like the attention and sense of power. You need to understand that, because its hard for them to adjust to being "regular" people again.

Also, it fucks with their heads with respect to men. Varies in degree from girl to girl. Some get to the point where they want nothing to do with men at all. Others have issues a little more severe than normal. Can't do certain things without it effecting you. Not to say there arent some girls who can move on unphased, but dont count on it with your girl.

The other thing is the general sense of entitlement is usually more than what you'd expect even with any other attractive woman. Again not universal, but dont bet on being the one to buck the odds.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

actually my gf was a stripper all summer, or a *dancer* cough cough...

it fucking ruled. she made more money than me.

 

[Satyricon2004]

Well, she has been a dancer for many many years, and yeah she wants to quit the job she says, but economy right now wont allow her to do so. The thing is that it just worries me a bit, its a lot of drinking involved, drunk driving, and so forth.

I really think she will stop working at some point, but not right now. Its really awkward when she sends emails to customers to have them come in, calling them or have them call her. There are also a lot of people she met at the clubs that is now her friends... i have told her that most of these guy friends, dont want to be her friend coz they think shes nice, they wanna bone.. Some proved me right when she told them she was seeing someone, they just quit hanging with her... so she saw the picture.

Still, i know this is a job, its what brings food on the table, and you need to lure your customers in to get your buck, just is so far away from everything the norm i am used to is like....

I would like to send you a pm if possible dev, sounds like you have some good advice to come with and i need it, dont want to loose my mind and drop the girl coz of my own insecurity, but it will lead to that if i dont get a fix on the way i see things....

 

[puddlemonkey]

Lately I've been sleeping with a couple of them, but no 'dating'. Got one coming over after her shift tonight. I know better than to date em though, nothing but problems, a good friend of mine has been married to two strippers.

 

[jerseyart]

Bor

Don't be an ass. Understand one thing about women. They may be too stupid to write their name, but they still know when some guy wants to bone them.

Don't buy the bullshit. You cant control what other people do, but don't play that game with anyone

 

[Forge]

I would never date a stripper. I know several really well, and they all have enormous drama attached to them coupled with huge ego trips, not to mention bad drug habits. Just not my kind of girl. If I met one that didn't fit that stereotype then maybe I'd consider it. The stripping isn't what bothers me, its the lifestyle that generally goes with it.

 

[Devastation]

Well, she has been a dancer for many many years, and yeah she wants to quit the job she says, but economy right now wont allow her to do so. The thing is that it just worries me a bit, its a lot of drinking involved, drunk driving, and so forth.

I really think she will stop working at some point, but not right now. Its really awkward when she sends emails to customers to have them come in, calling them or have them call her. There are also a lot of people she met at the clubs that is now her friends... i have told her that most of these guy friends, dont want to be her friend coz they think shes nice, they wanna bone.. Some proved me right when she told them she was seeing someone, they just quit hanging with her... so she saw the picture.

Still, i know this is a job, its what brings food on the table, and you need to lure your customers in to get your buck, just is so far away from everything the norm i am used to is like....

I would like to send you a pm if possible dev, sounds like you have some good advice to come with and i need it, dont want to loose my mind and drop the girl coz of my own insecurity, but it will lead to that if i dont get a fix on the way i see things....

feel free bro. my door is always open

 

[puddlemonkey]

I would never date a stripper. I know several really well, and they all have enormous drama attached to them coupled with huge ego trips, not to mention bad drug habits. The stripping isn't what bothers me, its the lifestyle that generally goes with it.

I don't want to stereotype, but I know a lot of dancers and these are common problems with them.

 

[Y_lifter]

My issue would be that every time she started acting horny or
hot or such with me, I would be wondering is she just "acting" ?

 

[jerseyart]

My issue would be that every time she started acting horny or
hot or such with me, I would be wondering is she just "acting" ?

?????


Why would that matter?

 

[Y_lifter]

?????
Why would that matter?

Any added interest on her part is bonus

 

[Lestat]

I dated a stripper once.

Really nice girl, we were friends first, she wasn't a stripper when I met her, but she just needed to make some cash (she was in vet tech school).

I personally didn't care that she was a stripper, in some ways it made me feel good that guys were PAYING to see her naked, and fantasizing and shit and it was all mine.

For me though, its not about that, its just that its a stripper... I'm in a different place of life.. I don't really date cocktail servers either for the same reason I wouldn't date a stripper (unless they were in grad school or something). Otherwise its like, what do they really have going on? I look to date women who are my equal in most ways, someone who I can form a real partnership with.

 

[Satyricon2004]

I dated a stripper once.

Really nice girl, we were friends first, she wasn't a stripper when I met her, but she just needed to make some cash (she was in vet tech school).

I personally didn't care that she was a stripper, in some ways it made me feel good that guys were PAYING to see her naked, and fantasizing and shit and it was all mine.

For me though, its not about that, its just that its a stripper... I'm in a different place of life.. I don't really date cocktail servers either for the same reason I wouldn't date a stripper (unless they were in grad school or something). Otherwise its like, what do they really have going on? I look to date women who are my equal in most ways, someone who I can form a real partnership with.

good post, but you seem to leave out an aspect. Its ok if you use your brain, its all logical and how most do think, but if she caught your heart, it wouldnt matter coz love dosnt see colors, races or status. Then its the person behind the palisades u look for.

but yes, i do agree with your statement, but it only applies as long as love is not present in the relationship..

 

[Devastation]

i strongly believe that someone does NOT have to be your intellectual equal to be in love with them

 

[Forge]

i strongly believe that someone does NOT have to be your intellectual equal to be in love with them

I strongly second that notion.

 

[wutangnomo]

lol @ "dancer"

Hate to say it bro but sounds like you are extremely insecure. Rightfully so though. The majority of guys would be insecure as well if in your position. Who on earth wants to see their woman prancing naked and acting like a slut for OTHER men?? Stripping (lol @ "dancing") is as low as it gets imo. One's sexuality is a truly special gift and stripping for other people takes away every last bit of sacredness in that gift. Your choices are either you accept her stripping and lose your mind or she quits. If she quits because you made her there will be problems. Bad situation bro. Good luck.

 

[Kroliczek]

Strippers are women just like all other women, they have just chosen to dance. Some of them dance because they like the attention, others because they like the money. I'd say that most of them don't enjoy the men they dance for, but there are always exceptions to every "rule."
If you have a problem with jealousy, don't date a stripper. You're only going to torture yourself.

And no, I'm not a dancer.

 

[Satyricon2004]

lol @ "dancer"

Hate to say it bro but sounds like you are extremely insecure. Rightfully so though. The majority of guys would be insecure as well if in your position. Who on earth wants to see their woman prancing naked and acting like a slut for OTHER men?? Stripping (lol @ "dancing") is as low as it gets imo. One's sexuality is a truly special gift and stripping for other people takes away every last bit of sacredness in that gift. Your choices are either you accept her stripping and lose your mind or she quits. If she quits because you made her there will be problems. Bad situation bro. Good luck.

This is a very black and white statement where its either good or bad and there is no inbetween and most of all, there is nothing better than bad. I understand and know where you are coming from, because most guys when it really comes down to it, are from that planet. Most wants to date one of these lovely girls, but when they get it, they cant take the heat and loose out one way or another.

But there are more aspects, like stated above, if you love someone, you dont give a fuck about their status, it simply dosnt matter. However, insecurity is a personal flaw, not something that can be related to the better half, however, your better half can inflict insecurity on you, if you lack the conversations that will make both parties understand the situation. And i believe being open about stuff, getting to understand the girls way of thinking, reduces the guys she is seeing to moneybags for grabbing.. that is the psychology i try to use when i view things.. however, sometimes the good old brain kicks in with its logic, wich dosnt apply in this environment, because its not logic, it illogic and needs to be dealed with as such...

 

[hardrock]

I personally could never date another stripper. No matter how much you "trust" them, you're always wondering whats going on.

 

[wutangnomo]

This is a very black and white statement where its either good or bad and there is no inbetween and most of all, there is nothing better than bad. I understand and know where you are coming from, because most guys when it really comes down to it, are from that planet. Most wants to date one of these lovely girls, but when they get it, they cant take the heat and loose out one way or another.

But there are more aspects, like stated above, if you love someone, you dont give a fuck about their status, it simply dosnt matter. However, insecurity is a personal flaw, not something that can be related to the better half, however, your better half can inflict insecurity on you, if you lack the conversations that will make both parties understand the situation. And i believe being open about stuff, getting to understand the girls way of thinking, reduces the guys she is seeing to moneybags for grabbing.. that is the psychology i try to use when i view things.. however, sometimes the good old brain kicks in with its logic, wich dosnt apply in this environment, because its not logic, it illogic and needs to be dealed with as such...

My statement is very black and white because your situation is very black and white. You are trying to rationalize your situation (and justify her stripping) in whatever capacity you possibly can to alleviate your insecurity. One thing you don't realize is that you cannot 'not' make yourself insecure because you already are. How can you turn off your 'logic' as you put it? If you were a machine then sure, but unfortunately you are a human being and you will always have your logic (therefore you will always have that insecurity). By reading your reply there is no way in hell you are going to fully accept and not have problems with her stripping. No way in hell. You love her, but you don't love her job/lifestyle. Guess what, her job/lifestyle IS her.

Most guys get with strippers simply because they are fun, hot and good fucks. Period. Most strippers aren't long-term relationship material. Guys want the Madonna-Whore scenario.... a lady in public, but a whore in the bedroom. Problem is, strippers are whores outside of the bedroom in public. You really think you can deal with that?

 

[Satyricon2004]

My statement is very black and white because your situation is very black and white. You are trying to rationalize your situation (and justify her stripping) in whatever capacity you possibly can to alleviate your insecurity. One thing you don't realize is that you cannot 'not' make yourself insecure because you already are. How can you turn off your 'logic' as you put it? If you were a machine then sure, but unfortunately you are a human being and you will always have your logic (therefore you will always have that insecurity). By reading your reply there is no way in hell you are going to fully accept and not have problems with her stripping. No way in hell. You love her, but you don't love her job/lifestyle. Guess what, her job/lifestyle IS her.

Most guys get with strippers simply because they are fun, hot and good fucks. Period. Most strippers aren't long-term relationship material. Guys want the Madonna-Whore scenario.... a lady in public, but a whore in the bedroom. Problem is, strippers are whores outside of the bedroom in public. You really think you can deal with that?

You are scoring big time here, but you are also far out and really missing some points. first of all, whore is a term that has a meaning and has a degrading punsh line. Like someone that sells sex for money would be a whore, someone that does something that isnt with your norms or standards can be named a whore, but dosnt have to be so based on the words meaning. Your personal opinions tells me that you describe the insecurity that everyone sane would have, but there are different ways of dealing with it. No you can never become un-insecure, but you can most of the time look at things in a different way, that makes you cool with it. Something that i manage to do most of the time, but not always, your right.

Madonna picture is somewhat true too i believe, but i do believe that your basic view and opinion of strippers as a stereotyped group is coloring your statements way too much, makes me think you got fucked over or jerked by a stripper at one time and now have been reduced to a bitter pissed of man. Im sure there are loads of humans that are assholes, dosnt mean the human race is assholes tho... =D

Shades.. not just black and white

 

[Dakotah]

jealousy used to be a problem. up until the point i made her quit

MADE who quit?????? better word that better buddy!!!!
the decision ultimatly was mine to quit not yours!!

 

[DIVISION]

Im seeing a girl right now and have been for over 6 months, she is a dancer and the seriousness of our relationship reached engagement in september. I was ok with everything, but now.. things seems to be changing..

It friggin awkward to know that you fiance stands around naked in front of other guys.. even tho she just wants them for their money, its pretty far away from the norm...

I know that this is like a disease, most guys wants this setting, but when they get it, they cant handle it, the fact that their girls are still dancers..

Need to use some psychology on myself to change the ways i think about things... wondering, anyone else dating, seeing, married to or in any way in a relationship with a dancing woman?

Is jealousy a problem? How do you deal with it and is there a way of thinking that will make it all non important...

FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!

Every stripper I've ever met or associated with has had issues out the yin/yang..........I would never date a stripper/dancer/hooker/crooker......

That's asking for drama out the ass, y0'!

Everyone and anyone I've ever known who's dated a stripper has only been drug down by them...........BAD LIFE CHOICE!




DIV

 

[Yarg!]

dun.. dun.. dun...!!!

sad attempt at suspense...

 

[Forge]

MADE who quit?????? better word that better buddy!!!!
the decision ultimatly was mine to quit not yours!!

Ooohh, this thread could get real interesting, real fast!

 

[Devastation]

MADE who quit?????? better word that better buddy!!!!
the decision ultimatly was mine to quit not yours!!

i can always go back to dancing

 

[mekannik]

Originally Posted by Devastation
jealousy used to be a problem. up until the point i made her quit

MADE who quit?????? better word that better buddy!!!!
the decision ultimatly was mine to quit not yours!!

*grabs bucket of popcorn and diet Coke *

 

[DIVISION]

dun.. dun.. dun...!!!

sad attempt at suspense...

Save the drama fo' ya' mama!!!!!!

NO STRIPPERS!!!!!!!!





DIV

 

[Yarg!]

lol i should have quoted dakota's post first.

 

[Dakotah]

My issue would be that every time she started acting horny or
hot or such with me, I would be wondering is she just "acting" ?

We are great actresses - you never know what you are getting in to because every dancer is different

 

[Razorguns]

Be careful,

most do blow, do other customers, do other strippers...

And when they come home -- put on that facade that they're all innocent, perfect, moral, secure women who are doing this purely for the job and leave it at that.

Reality is the opposite. Sure you may find a good girl there. Sure the relationship might be great. But EVENTUALLY she's gonna have to leave there soon. I've never seen someone date a stripper and she kept working there for the next 15 years. If she did -- eventually it'll mess up her head. The lifespan for women to do stripping and leave with their morals, values, ethics and emotions intact is around 2 years.

I think we can all easily _picture_ that stripper who's been stripping for 12 years and what she looks like.

 

[wutangnomo]

You are scoring big time here, but you are also far out and really missing some points. first of all, whore is a term that has a meaning and has a degrading punsh line. Like someone that sells sex for money would be a whore, someone that does something that isnt with your norms or standards can be named a whore, but dosnt have to be so based on the words meaning. Your personal opinions tells me that you describe the insecurity that everyone sane would have, but there are different ways of dealing with it. No you can never become un-insecure, but you can most of the time look at things in a different way, that makes you cool with it. Something that i manage to do most of the time, but not always, your right.

Madonna picture is somewhat true too i believe, but i do believe that your basic view and opinion of strippers as a stereotyped group is coloring your statements way too much, makes me think you got fucked over or jerked by a stripper at one time and now have been reduced to a bitter pissed of man. Im sure there are loads of humans that are assholes, dosnt mean the human race is assholes tho... =D

Shades.. not just black and white

lol

No bro I've never been with a stripper because I know better. Besides, most men would share my opinion as well. Does that mean we've all been screwed over by strippers? Bad assumption.

This has nothing to do with thinking that humans are assholes. You are getting off topic here.

Think about it. Strippers. Stripping. Taking off clothes for ugly desperate slimy men in a nasty environment with many bad influences. It takes a certain personality type to be a stripper. That type of personality is not the most condusive for relationships. Rationalize it all you want, but your insecurity is proof of it, which I'm sure will continue to grow and grow as the relationship progresses. Good luck though.

 

[DIVISION]

i can always go back to dancing

^^^don't start this shit on the forum, honey....

We both know you aren't like this in real life, so settle the fuck DOWN!

Devastation's word is LAW!



DIV

 

[Dakotah]

^^^don't start this shit on the forum, honey....

We both know you aren't like this in real life, so settle the fuck DOWN!

Devastation's word is LAW!



DIV

funny you say law - too bad the road goes two ways not one
im happy to have quit dancing ad love my man in every way possible - he knows whats up

 

[DIVISION]

funny you say law - too bad the road goes two ways not one

That's why I don't date strippers!!!!!!

I rule the road!




DIV

 

[courtneybcca]

I got annulled over a playboy layout. Men are very uptight about there ladies. I don’t think I could expect my husband to be okay with stripping though. Especially if you are planning to one day have children. But of course you did know what she did when you got together with her. So really you should not want to change her. You made that decision to be with her knowing what she does. So it is really up to her. But I agree that you should not go and see her that would just leave horrible images in your mind.

 

[Lestat]

i strongly believe that someone does NOT have to be your intellectual equal to be in love with them

Its certainly not a REQUIREMENT.

But from what I have found in my dating experience is.. my most satisfying realtionships and deepest connections have all been with women who were my intellectual equal or better... I really look for intelligence first (well second, after a little bit of physical attraction). It is certainly a requirement for me.

 

[Yarg!]

I got annulled over a playboy layout. Men are very uptight about there ladies. I don’t think I could expect my husband to be okay with stripping though. Especially if you are planning to one day have children. But of course you did know what she did when you got together with her. So really you should not want to change her. You made that decision to be with her knowing what she does. So it is really up to her. But I agree that you should not go and see her that would just leave horrible images in your mind.

definately an alter

 

[DIVISION]

I got annulled over a playboy layout. Men are very uptight about there ladies. I don’t think I could expect my husband to be okay with stripping though. Especially if you are planning to one day have children. But of course you did know what she did when you got together with her. So really you should not want to change her. You made that decision to be with her knowing what she does. So it is really up to her. But I agree that you should not go and see her that would just leave horrible images in your mind.

Somehow I think there was more going on than a "playboy layout". Any secure man would not care what you did before he met you, so long as you are STR8 w/ him once you two were committed in a relationship.

That said, I'd still never date a stripper..........just seen too many sick things that come with that job, and I could never accept some of that shit.....

I could never see a stripper as LTR material.




DIV

 

[Satyricon2004]

Be careful,

most do blow, do other customers, do other strippers...

And when they come home -- put on that facade that they're all innocent, perfect, moral, secure women who are doing this purely for the job and leave it at that.

Reality is the opposite. Sure you may find a good girl there. Sure the relationship might be great. But EVENTUALLY she's gonna have to leave there soon. I've never seen someone date a stripper and she kept working there for the next 15 years. If she did -- eventually it'll mess up her head. The lifespan for women to do stripping and leave with their morals, values, ethics and emotions intact is around 2 years.

I think we can all easily _picture_ that stripper who's been stripping for 12 years and what she looks like.

Funny, but im sorry, your wrong, my fiance has danced for 15 years in january, over 10 years in one club, and looks fine =) dont think the moral issues goes for everyone, its stereotyped thoughts.

Most strippers do blow? Thats as stereotyped as saying all black people are gangsters, just coz Division seems gangsta! =D

This post is a nice way for people with actual experience to add to the discussion about how to deal with issues, people that dosnt have a clue, shouldnt really bother brining in hillariously lame assumptions and stereotyping.. sorry

 

[courtneybcca]

Somehow I think there was more going on than a "playboy layout". Any secure man would not care what you did before he met you, so long as you are STR8 w/ him once you two were committed in a relationship.

That said, I'd still never date a stripper..........just seen too many sick things that come with that job, and I could never accept some of that shit.....

I could never see a stripper as LTR material.




DIV

That was it. We were dating for many years before I did it and I decided to do it without really discussing it with him. Which I know was wrong but I knew he would not approve. I think it is an honor to be asked to do that. So I told him I was and he asked me how many pictures were going to be published and I was not really sure. But when it was published he really hated that all his friends that have known us for years saw me naked. He was also unhappy with the amount that was published as well. We fought about it all the time. So that is what lead to our break up. But now I realize that was the best thing for me.

 

[DIVISION]

That was it. We were dating for many years before I did it and I decided to do it without really discussing it with him. Which I know was wrong but I knew he would not approve. I think it is an honor to be asked to do that. So I told him I was and he asked me how many pictures were going to be published and I was not really sure. But when it was published he really hated that all his friends that have known us for years saw me naked. He was also unhappy with the amount that was published as well. We fought about it all the time. So that is what lead to our break up. But now I realize that was the best thing for me.

Like I said, Lil' Courtney......there was more going on if in retrospect you can say that it was the best thing for you. It was merely the "last straw" that lead to the downfall.

It's a double-edged sword. If I were him, I would only be pissed that you did it without telling me, and secondly NO, I would not want friends we both knew to see you naked......that's not cool. If they see you naked, they might as well be fucking you too. I think any reasonable man would probably have ended the relationship under these circumstances.

American women are a bit too independent these days.......




DIV

 

[Razorguns]

Most strippers do blow? Thats as stereotyped as saying all black people are gangsters, just coz Division seems gangsta! =D

The % of strippers who do blow/weed/speed compared to the general population is like 3X higher.

The same can be said of musicians who are alcoholics. I won't lie -- there's a higher % of musicians who drink too much alcohol than the general public either.

Many stereotypes are there -- cuz they're true.

And yes i've dated probably 10 strippers over the year. Each had their own annoying set of problems. None of them i could ever trust. The fact that 10 of them had similar problems (unless it's an la thang) confirmed my suspicion on the issues of strippers.

 

[courtneybcca]

Like I said, Lil' Courtney......there was more going on if in retrospect you can say that it was the best thing for you. It was merely the "last straw" that lead to the downfall.

It's a double-edged sword. If I were him, I would only be pissed that you did it without telling me, and secondly NO, I would not want friends we both knew to see you naked......that's not cool. If they see you naked, they might as well be fucking you too. I think any reasonable man would probably have ended the relationship under these circumstances.

American women are a bit too independent these days.......


DIV

ARE you SERIOUS!!!!! How is a picture even close to fucking. That is no comparison. And what about when you boys get drunk and do stupid shit naked. I have actually seen some of my guy friends naked for different reasons. So what is the big deal if they see me? Especially in a beautiful photo which I worked extremely hard to represent myself the way I wanted. What is wrong with being independent? Do you want your women to sit at home while you go off and work and pay all the bills? These days both men and women have to work which is cause for us to be more independent...

 

[DIVISION]

Thats as stereotyped as saying all black people are gangsters, just coz Division seems gangsta! =D

No, all black people are not gangstas, there are bangers of all colors.....

however, it's true that ALL STRIPPERS BLOW!!!!!!!











DIV

 

[Delinquent]

ARE you SERIOUS!!!!! How is a picture even close to fucking. That is no comparison. And what about when you boys get drunk and do stupid shit naked. I have actually seen some of my guy friends naked for different reasons. So what is the big deal if they see me? Especially in a beautiful photo which I worked extremely hard to represent myself the way I wanted. What is wrong with being independent? Do you want your women to sit at home while you go off and work and pay all the bills? These days both men and women have to work which is cause for us to be more independent...

What month and year?

Sorry had to ask it

 

[-SD-]

The fact that your fiance has been stripping for 15 years should be a major problem with you. I think a normal adjusted female MIGHT go through just a phase of stripping when she is young, but for 15 years, thats a headcase anyway you look at it.

 

[awittyusername]

It isnt just the money bor, though of course thats a big part of it man. They also like the attention and sense of power. You need to understand that, because its hard for them to adjust to being "regular" people again.

Also, it fucks with their heads with respect to men. Varies in degree from girl to girl. Some get to the point where they want nothing to do with men at all. Others have issues a little more severe than normal. Can't do certain things without it effecting you. Not to say there arent some girls who can move on unphased, but dont count on it with your girl.

The other thing is the general sense of entitlement is usually more than what you'd expect even with any other attractive woman. Again not universal, but dont bet on being the one to buck the odds.

This is exactly what I was going to say. (except not as polite)

Be carefull Sat. Take it very slowwwwww.

I think it should be a dating a stripper should be a Prerequisite to getting married. Guys need to know the + and - of dating a stripper, so they don't do it once they get married.

Example. My friend started his business about the same time I did. We both never had $. But, after a few yrs we started making $. Guess what ....the girls started coming out of the wood work. The problem for my friend he married at 24. (when we were still broke.) So, it was driving him nuts that he had girls after him, but married. We went to a strip club and he was throwing money around and met a "nice" stripper. He fell in love, left his wife and kid, and moved in w/her. (I quit talking to him) But, for 2 yrs she quit stripping and was the perfect girl. (or so he thought) I honestly don't know the details. But, she was cheating, doing drugs, and taking his money. All I know he lost 5 franchises and was broke. And, guess what happened. She dropped him and started stripping again.

He deserved it for leaving his family. But,this is why I tell you Faigs to not get married so young and live!!!!!!!!!

 

[DIVISION]

ARE you SERIOUS!!!!! How is a picture even close to fucking. That is no comparison. And what about when you boys get drunk and do stupid shit naked. I have actually seen some of my guy friends naked for different reasons. So what is the big deal if they see me? Especially in a beautiful photo which I worked extremely hard to represent myself the way I wanted. What is wrong with being independent? Do you want your women to sit at home while you go off and work and pay all the bills? These days both men and women have to work which is cause for us to be more independent...

If I wanted my homeboyz to see you naked, in any way, I'd let them fuck you. That's it. Otherwise, you won't be seen naked by other guys. No compromises, that is final.

Your ex was right to get the marriage anulled; I would have done the same......though probably worse.

Consider yourself lucky & independent. Independence has a price, like anything, in this case your marriage.



DIV

 

[jerseyart]

This is exactly what I was going to say. (except not as polite)

Be carefull Sat. Take it very slowwwwww.

I think it should be a dating a stripper should be a Prerequisite to getting married. Guys need to know the + and - of dating a stripper, so they don't do it once they get married.

Example. My friend started his business about the same time I did. We both never had $. But, after a few yrs we started making $. Guess what ....the girls started coming out of the wood work. The problem for my friend he married at 24. (when we were still broke.) So, it was driving him nuts that he had girls after him, but married. We went to a strip club and he was throwing money around and met a "nice" stripper. He fell in love, left his wife and kid, and moved in w/her. (I quit talking to him) But, for 2 yrs she quit stripping and was the perfect girl. (or so he thought) I honestly don't know the details. But, she was cheating, doing drugs, and taking his money. All I know he lost 5 franchises and was broke. And, guess what happened. She dropped him and started stripping again.

He deserved it for leaving his family. But,this is why I tell you Faigs to not get married so young and live!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes I think they're all the same man, regardless of occupation

 

[H_T_]

I managed a nudie bar for 2 years and you better watch yourself with those women, bro. I made the mistake of dating the girls i worked with and it was a nightmare. If you think you really know what some of them do there at the bar or "bachelor" parties, you dont'. Be careful and make sure you have your bail bondsman on speed dial.

 

[wutangnomo]

Funny, but im sorry, your wrong, my fiance has danced for 15 years in january, over 10 years in one club, and looks fine =) dont think the moral issues goes for everyone, its stereotyped thoughts.

Most strippers do blow? Thats as stereotyped as saying all black people are gangsters, just coz Division seems gangsta! =D

This post is a nice way for people with actual experience to add to the discussion about how to deal with issues, people that dosnt have a clue, shouldnt really bother brining in hillariously lame assumptions and stereotyping.. sorry

lol

This is too funny. Does every guy need to have been with a stripper to know what would happen if they were invovled with a stripper?? Umm hello, strippers get naked and perform lewd acts for men (mostly ugly ass nasty losers). They get zero respect from men, they're treated like mindless objects and used for their bodies. What kind of personality type do you think subjects themself to this?

I went to a strip bar 4 times in my life when I turned 18 (I was a horny teenager what can I say lol). I saw all I needed to see to know what the heck goes on in those places. It doesn't take a genious to figure it out. Our assumptions are based on the obvious duh.

 

[Tweakle]

It makes for some good drinking stories but I'd never date another one. When she wasn't working everything was cool but the job fucks with their heads and even the nicest girls get ho-d out on it eventually... low self esteem, drug use, guys pawing them all the time, when they're not gettin naked they lie for a living (the drinks hustle, pretending to give a shit about some fat middle aged assholes morgage and wife problems).. none of that stuff makes people better human beings if they do it every night.

Plus you never know if she's workin the VIP room. Better man than me if you can trust one not to fuck around on you...

 

[puddlemonkey]

All women are prostitutes. Some just have a long term contract (marriage), while others freelance.






j/k ladies

 

[havoc]

Just my 0.2 cents in a vague way.

I've been dating a "stripper" for the past 2 1/2 months, the last month I have severely backed away, way back, I know the stereotypes, I know the risk, however I'm a strong individual in all manners possible so none of that ever bothered me, but........almost every stereotype I have read in this thread and every reply involving something negative is right on the money, the girl I'm seeing/not seeing as much, her friends, etc all have "major" issues, I've had recent nights that Hugh Hefner would be proud of, unfortunatley these stereotypes that have been listed in here are pretty much true, not all fall under these categories but "most" do, and that is a fact.

NON-PLATINUM MEMBER

 

[jerseyart]

Tweakle

What happens in the VIP room? Is that fulls ex or something. Different in Jersey, I'm not sure they have them. But I dated a girl once for a couple of months who worked in the City, and I know her place had like $500 limo rides with one of the girls (your choice)

She said nothing went on besides the usual, but chicks lie. She probably did too, fucked like a marathoner

 

[hardrock]

Hey Havoc, Lets hear about these "nights that Hugh Hefner would be proud of"?

Inquiring minds and shit.

 

[150shot]

I dated one for a while, actually had her head on straight but was a bit older than the norm at low 30's , she did confess to being fucked up all in her 20's....alchohol, drugs, self esteem issues...geez....with all that $$ too...

 

[-SD-]

I dated one for a while, actually had her head on straight but was a bit older than the norm at low 30's , she did confess to being fucked up all in her 20's....alchohol, drugs, self esteem issues...geez....with all that $$ too...

You not so naive to think that a lot of money will solve a strippers psychological problems are you? LOL @ that.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Like I said, Lil' Courtney......there was more going on if in retrospect you can say that it was the best thing for you. It was merely the "last straw" that lead to the downfall.

It's a double-edged sword. If I were him, I would only be pissed that you did it without telling me, and secondly NO, I would not want friends we both knew to see you naked......that's not cool. If they see you naked, they might as well be fucking you too. I think any reasonable man would probably have ended the relationship under these circumstances.

American women are a bit too independent these days.......




DIV

div youre a control freak, mang

i disagree with what you just said.

1) american women are not "too independent" imo. gone are the days where the family unit was composed of a dominant male and submissive female. well, not unless you go to europe and hte middle east. western society is turning towards family units where each of the partners is equal. its just a different way of doing things. pining for the old days? go to italy.

2) theres nothing wrong with a girl posing naked. if it turns her on, and she understands the impact on her life and deals with it, then its just like anything else. her life, her body, her choice. if a man is insecure about it, then he needs to find another girl. there is a world of difference between posing and fucking. what courtney did wrong, imo, was doing it without her partners understanding/consenting to the full.

anyway am i alone in being really curious as to what courtney looks like?

 

[DIVISION]

div youre a control freak, mang

i disagree with what you just said.

1) american women are not "too independent" imo. gone are the days where the family unit was composed of a dominant male and submissive female. well, not unless you go to europe and hte middle east. western society is turning towards family units where each of the partners is equal. its just a different way of doing things. pining for the old days? go to italy.

2) theres nothing wrong with a girl posing naked. if it turns her on, and she understands the impact on her life and deals with it, then its just like anything else. her life, her body, her choice. if a man is insecure about it, then he needs to find another girl. there is a world of difference between posing and fucking. what courtney did wrong, imo, was doing it without her partners understanding/consenting to the full.

anyway am i alone in being really curious as to what courtney looks like?

Dude......I'm seriously considering a LTR with an Italian broad, and yes she's traditional......from Northern Italy.

I would never date a girl who is a stripper/model/hooker etc etc.....so it's not really an issue for me, GD.

I'm just saying that guys who do should be aware of the drama they are in for once they make that commitment. And you wonder why we've got a whole grip of fresh SWV's in this BIATCHHHHH!


DIV

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Dude......I'm seriously considering a LTR with an Italian broad, and yes she's traditional......from Northern Italy.

I would never date a girl who is a stripper/model/hooker etc etc.....so it's not really an issue for me, GD.

I'm just saying that guys who do should be aware of the drama they are in for once they make that commitment. And you wonder why we've got a whole grip of fresh SWV's in this BIATCHHHHH!


DIV

fair enough

i dont know what sort of woman id settle with...she must be something special, wonder if ill know when i meet her

for now though...ill settle with my mobile phone

 

[DIVISION]

fair enough

i dont know what sort of woman id settle with...she must be something special, wonder if ill know when i meet her

for now though...ill settle with my mobile phone

GD.........since I know you like the back of my nutsack.......I am telling you that when you finally meet the girl who is right for you, the on who you are willing to give up your independence for, you'll always hold a piece of her in your heart. When your old instincts come back, you'll have her there inside you, like a devil's advocate and you'll know what's right and what's wrong. You'll take her feelings in to consideration before you do the stupid shit you are doing right now. And you DO KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY STUPID SHIT. The shit you get yourself in to at the night clubs when you open your big mouth......



DIV

 

[GoldenDelicious]

GD.........since I know you like the back of my nutsack.......I am telling you that when you finally meet the girl who is right for you, the on who you are willing to give up your independence for, you'll always hold a piece of her in your heart. When your old instincts come back, you'll have her there inside you, like a devil's advocate and you'll know what's right and what's wrong. You'll take her feelings in to consideration before you do the stupid shit you are doing right now. And you DO KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY STUPID SHIT. The shit you get yourself in to at the night clubs when you open your big mouth......



DIV

how the hell do you know what the back of your nutsack looks like?

anyway, im not doing 'stupid shit' at nightclubs, div. youre making some assumptions that are a little off. i talk about only small bits and pieces of my night life on these forums (usually the bits that are different, or piss me off). if my 'stupid shit' you mean my incident with that bikie, or my aggressive pacifism (or passive aggression, depending on the night) with women, well, those things are intrinsic to my character and arent going to change significantly.

sure my style needs to be tweaked a little, but in a place like this (dont get me started) no ones style works particularly well. its a frustrating place, full of frustrating people.

on the bright side, ill be interstate shortly and ill get back to you guys on that

 

[DIVISION]

how the hell do you know what the back of your nutsack looks like?

anyway, im not doing 'stupid shit' at nightclubs, div. youre making some assumptions that are a little off. i talk about only small bits and pieces of my night life on these forums (usually the bits that are different, or piss me off). if my 'stupid shit' you mean my incident with that bikie, or my aggressive pacifism (or passive aggression, depending on the night) with women, well, those things are intrinsic to my character and arent going to change significantly.

sure my style needs to be tweaked a little, but in a place like this (dont get me started) no ones style works particularly well. its a frustrating place, full of frustrating people.

on the bright side, ill be interstate shortly and ill get back to you guys on that

I'm not making any broad assumptions here, GD.

If you are as mouthy in real life as you are on these forums, I can only imagine what kind of shit you get in to on a daily basis.

You're like a curious kitty that can't leave well enough alone......so you go pouncing on shit only to have it bite you in your ass....

Anyways, you're an entertaining person to know.....I'd like to hang at a nightclub wit ya' just to see this shit happen with my own eyes.....



DIV

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I'm not making any broad assumptions here, GD.

If you are as mouthy in real life as you are on these forums, I can only imagine what kind of shit you get in to on a daily basis.

You're like a curious kitty that can't leave well enough alone......so you go pouncing on shit only to have it bite you in your ass....

Anyways, you're an entertaining person to know.....I'd like to hang at a nightclub wit ya' just to see this shit happen with my own eyes.....



DIV

yes, you ARE making broad assumptions hence your nutsack comment, and your 'you know what i mean' comment

anyway i am a curious sort of person and yes, i do have an interesting way of expressing myself, and so sure, sometimes i get into a bit of crap when i find someone who hasnt got a sense of humour, or is in a bad mood, or whatever...but thus far, all the bits i have bitten off have been quite chewable, i have a good time, and am known for having a good time.

sometimes though when youre a bit more prominent in the club, some of the wallflowers/lurkers who are a bit socially inept (and violent) take a dislike to you, particularly when youre chatting up lots of girls on any given night) and those are the ones taht give you trouble for no reason, and yeah, i hate to say it, youre right, i dont respond well in those situations. or rather, i respond really well...i just dont go with the flow, so to speak. having people walk all over me tends to ruin my night and plague my thougts for a long time afterwards, so i generally match agression with agression. hasnt happened liek that in a while though...my last 2 incidents were 1) the bikie (who is a psycho) and the ashtray guy (who is also a certifiable psycho) so yeah.

you can hang with me if you want i suppose, but you have to BYO girls, ok i want to see some pale, ok

 

[shawnerk]

I love stripper smell- What perfume do strippers wear? Anyone know- I wanna cover my sheets in it- LOL. Anyone?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I love stripper smell- What perfume do strippers wear? Anyone know- I wanna cover my sheets in it- LOL. Anyone?

what youre smelling are male pheromones.

i think you might be gay.

let me ask you a few quetions, just so i can be sure:

do you unconciously bop to the music everytime something by The Villiage People comes on?

do you yell at the television while watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy?

do you look at baseball gloves with a cheeky smile?

do you look at Lumbergs avatar for more than 0.334 seconds at a time?

if you answered yes to any of these questions, i hate to break it to you, but youre

 

[tiger88]

I love stripper smell- What perfume do strippers wear? Anyone know- I wanna cover my sheets in it- LOL. Anyone?

find it at bath and body works

it a lotion


plus since they are hotter u just think they smell better tnben what u really think

i smell like bandiads cloex bleatch and cigerettes

 

[Yarg!]

so this whole stripper with heart of gold and headful of intelligence that i see so much in movies is all a lie?! the nerve!

 

[DIVISION]

...i just dont go with the flow, so to speak. having people walk all over me tends to ruin my night and plague my thougts for a long time afterwards, so i generally match agression with agression.

I understand your reasoning behind this and I find no fault with it. I'm never in that position...people don't walk all over me, they generally get out of my way and I haven't been in a "fight" since highschool. Your point is taken, bro and I respect it.

you can hang with me if you want i suppose, but you have to BYO girls, ok i want to see some pale, ok

There is no gray area, GD. Either you want me there or you don't, no in-between. There never is with me, either you like me or you don't. That's how it is when people get to know me. I'll bring my own woman, that's no problem. I have much more fun people watching, unless we're gonna get tipsytipsy and watch the wallflowers get pissypissy....



DIV

 

[shawnerk]

golden - you know a whole hell of alot about that dont ya? I dont get half that bs you posted up .... Why are you concerned about my sexuality so much? Oh, we know why .... LOLLLL and "golden delicious" ....THAT .... my gay friend is very GAYY!

 

[Rex]

I came home out of bootcamp, went to a strip club and fucked one girl because "she never been with a marine before". Went back the next night and wound up fucking her friend because the girl from night one told her about me.

That being said I would not date a stripper. Though being young, stupid, and horny. I'd certainly fuck the hell out of some if the oppurtunity presented itself.

 

[150shot]

I love stripper smell- What perfume do strippers wear? Anyone know- I wanna cover my sheets in it- LOL. Anyone?

Most is Victoria Secret body spray, or a combo of two scents...

 

[GoldenDelicious]

golden - you know a whole hell of alot about that dont ya? I dont get half that bs you posted up .... Why are you concerned about my sexuality so much? Oh, we know why .... LOLLLL and "golden delicious" ....THAT .... my gay friend is very GAYY!

reboot your sense of humour mate

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I understand your reasoning behind this and I find no fault with it. I'm never in that position...people don't walk all over me, they generally get out of my way and I haven't been in a "fight" since highschool. Your point is taken, bro and I respect it.

ah well i wouldnt say taht fight shappen too often. most guys just step up to see if youll step off...as soon as you do, they start with the apologies. its a funny social atmosphere here...youll jsut have to take my word for it though

There is no gray area, GD. Either you want me there or you don't, no in-between. There never is with me, either you like me or you don't. That's how it is when people get to know me. I'll bring my own woman, that's no problem. I have much more fun people watching, unless we're gonna get tipsytipsy and watch the wallflowers get pissypissy....

lol the 'i suppose' was there in play. if you were nearby, yeah sure, id like to chill for a bit and pick your brain while you were picking mine...while you were picking mine while i was picking yours...while i was picking yours while you were picking mine picking yours picking mine...omg headache...

 

[gregory]

Wow dancing for 15 years. 15 years?!!!!!?!?!?! Get out now. There is no hope in this one, simple as that. It'll eat you up and spit you out. Hang with people that elevate you not drown you.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

American women are a bit too independent these days.......




DIV

Fuck NO.......... Women should be more Independant! Strong, Secure, and Independant!

I make my own money, my own decisions, do my own thing... I AM MY OWN PERSON.

A relationship is 50/50... I am Independant.. that is me, if I can't be accepted that way then sorry... He can move the fuck on....

 

[shawnerk]

golden- mY sense of humour? Im not the idiot flaming every post.... quit being a dipshit- and Im not your mate

 

[GoldenDelicious]

golden- mY sense of humour? Im not the idiot flaming every post.... quit being a dipshit- and Im not your mate

fucken oath youre not my mate, mate

theres a huge difference between flaming and being a benign wise guy. if you had taken the time to check out some of my other posts (and witness the maybe 90% bullshit factor in them, merely to amuse) then you wouldnt have been so quick to arc up and shoot over wads of red k for what? a bullshit joking post? whats the matter with you? is your sense of humour limited to knock knock jokes or pies in the face, or something?

damn mormons have made it all the way to EF...

 

[gregory]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to GoldenDelicious again.


Dang, tried to offset some the red given to GD. Sorry bro.

 

[Patrick Steele]

I knew a stripper who danced for 10 years. Saved half a million in proffits and got into the real estate business and right now is worth 10 million and is only 29 years old. Some strippers are smart and actually do save their money for future business ventures. But 90% are plain stupid and have no idea how to invest.

 

[shawnerk]

hmm... you're the only one who has sent stupid comments to me since I joined = red K, and yes 90% bs is right, maybe 100%- now... like u hear in the bar all the time.... "bugger off wanker!"

 

[GoldenDelicious]

hmm... you're the only one who has sent stupid comments to me since I joined = red K, and yes 90% bs is right, maybe 100%- now... like u hear in the bar all the time.... "bugger off wanker!"

i dont hear that at all, actually. its usually people trying to buy me a drink

but if it makes you feel better to think that, by all means, go for it

 

[Satyricon2004]

So nobody had any positive experiences?

I have a ton of them... funny that no one else met a decent dancing girl, because i know they are out there, not everyone sell sex, but the ones that do, will ofcause get hold of more cash than the ones that dont. And will also probably get much more personal issues...

 

[jerseyart]

They were mostly positive. Things didnt work otu, but it wasnt because of the profession. Things don't work out with lots of women

 

[Gemini_Man]

So You Want To Date A Stripper?
by Greg Bruns

http://www.identitytheory.com/insight/bruns9.html

 

[Satyricon2004]

So You Want To Date A Stripper?
by Greg Bruns

http://www.identitytheory.com/insight/bruns9.html

Funny guy~

 

[PitBullFootBall]

my ex-girl didn't return to her school this fall she called me last month to tell me she started dancing. It kinda pissed me off.
shes really hot and she was really a cool person and only 19 almost 20 - I feel like shes being taken advantage of. Her slutty friend from high school got her into it.
I think its changed her big time, I know she only called me cause she heard I did real well this year in football and she sees dollar signs, def not the girl she was this time last year when I was dating her.

 

[Satyricon2004]

Think there are lot of people that feel weird about this topic. Like there is a huge difference between a girl hustling you or a girl that really loves you. She, the stripper, hustles everyone and makes them feel like they are the only ones in the world she likes, so they spew out money to her and make her day.

People that have been in a situation where they only use you to get your money, will ofcause have a lot of negative feelings towards strippers, however, if you have been on the other side, where you know that you ARE the one and that she is just playing everyone else.. and have the confidence to believe just that based on how the relationship really works out, thats a very awesome feeling.

 

[Mandinka2]

No one knows anyone - at least not that well . Don't make that classic mistake.

 

[-SD-]

Think there are lot of people that feel weird about this topic. Like there is a huge difference between a girl hustling you or a girl that really loves you. She, the stripper, hustles everyone and makes them feel like they are the only ones in the world she likes, so they spew out money to her and make her day.

People that have been in a situation where they only use you to get your money, will ofcause have a lot of negative feelings towards strippers, however, if you have been on the other side, where you know that you ARE the one and that she is just playing everyone else.. and have the confidence to believe just that based on how the relationship really works out, thats a very awesome feeling.

Your perspective seems quite skewed. You should be asking yourself why anyone would want to be in love with someone who plays people for a living, regardless of whether or not she is playing YOU.

 

[Dirk Howat]

I personally like dating strippers. They are cool girls good in bed and IMO, almost all women WISH they were strippers. They are usually also INTO money, i.e. golddiggers though. But again, almost all women are.

They are alpha females.
One notch below a model.












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[beefybull]

Anyone ever deal with a junkie stripper? Some of those chicks get into a drugs casually "just a snort to help me dance" and are soon full-on addicts.

 

[biteme]

WHy would you? Unless just for sex. They are con artists. They can look you straight in the face and lie and not even blink. Even make up details that never occured. My ex would have been a good stripper.

 

[mountain muscle]

I dated a dancer for about 1.5 years. Never even thought about getting engaged, ever. It didn't bother me at all where she worked, the biggest problem was her temper and insanity. She was straight up crazy at times. I got pretty good at dodging glass bottles thrown at me, lol.
I don't attribute that to her being a dancer though. She had a pretty terrible upbringing.
Anyway, if she is coming home to you don't worry about what she does for a living. If she is going to cheat she will cheat and you can't stop her, sorry. Just enjoy your relationship. No reason to be jealouos of other guys at her work, they are paying your bills.