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Anyone catch Ah-nolds speech?

PIGEON-RAT said:
I think the risk is nonexistent.

An illegal alien has pledged no allegiance to our country, and has not proven their intention to be a functioning part of the nation. That is why an illegal alien could not be a CIA agent.

I can't believe I even addressed that.

However, you assert that someone who comes here and actually goes through the whole process to gain citizenship shouldn't have the same opportunity that someone born here merely through happenstance has? The person born here could've been worshiping Satan and defecating on the American flag in his basement his entire life. And yet he is allowed the opportunity to run for president just because he was born here.

Henry Kissinger was able to become a legendary Secretary of State. But he wasn't born in the US. He spent the first 15 years of his life saluting a German flag, yet that does nothing to diminish the service he gave to this country. So why couldn't an extremely intelligent and fully capable man such as this hold the office of the presidency?

You opened a large can of worms by advocating the service of Henry Kissinger.

Read "Emerging Viruses" with its 50 pages of references to substantiate its findings.

Kissinger is very heavily affiliated with the funding, development and possibly the administration of the AIDS virus via the "WHO". People were offered "free" shots to "protect" them against the flu or what not. A few years later there were sudden and absolute explosions of AIDS in the targeted audiences in NY, SF, Chicago, Africa etc.

Just read the book and reconsider your example of a Henry Kissinger.
 
Test-boy, exactly what do you want to see done about out-sourcing?

Do you think, as I do, that the main reason why so many jobs are being out-sourced is because our tax code makes it too tempting to do so? There are many reasons why companies would rather hire American workers if it where not for the government leeching on their every movment here.
 
Tiervexx said:
Test-boy, exactly what do you want to see done about out-sourcing?

Do you think, as I do, that the main reason why so many jobs are being out-sourced is because Bushbarian policy gives them a lot of money for doing so? There are many reasons why companies would rather hire American workers if it where not for the government leeching on their every movment here.

Yes....I do. :)
 
Testosterone boy said:
Yes....I do. :)

LOL

So if Arnold turns out to be the fiscal conservative that he claims to be (I have my doubts) than he might simplify and lower the tax code enough to greatly reduce out-sourcing.
 
Testosterone boy said:
You opened a large can of worms by advocating the service of Henry Kissinger.

Read "Emerging Viruses" with its 50 pages of references to substantiate its findings.

Kissinger is very heavily affiliated with the funding, development and possibly the administration of the AIDS virus via the "WHO". People were offered "free" shots to "protect" them against the flu or what not. A few years later there were sudden and absolute explosions of AIDS in the targeted audiences in NY, SF, Chicago, Africa etc.

Just read the book and reconsider your example of a Henry Kissinger.

Do I need to put on my tinfoil hat before I read it?

And did Kissinger do it because he was born in Germany? What about the other people involved? Where were they born? Let's keep this all in context.
 
PIGEON-RAT said:
Henry Kissinger was able to become a legendary Secretary of State. But he wasn't born in the US. He spent the first 15 years of his life saluting a German flag, yet that does nothing to diminish the service he gave to this country. So why couldn't an extremely intelligent and fully capable man such as this hold the office of the presidency?


THANK GOD that Kissinger wasn't elgible for the Presidency.
 
PIGEON-RAT said:
I think the risk is nonexistent.

An illegal alien has pledged no allegiance to our country, and has not proven their intention to be a functioning part of the nation. That is why an illegal alien could not be a CIA agent.

I can't believe I even addressed that.
Me neither
However, you assert that someone who comes here and actually goes through the whole process to gain citizenship shouldn't have the same opportunity that someone born here merely through happenstance has? The person born here could've been worshiping Satan and defecating on the American flag in his basement his entire life. And yet he is allowed the opportunity to run for president just because he was born here.

Henry Kissinger was able to become a legendary Secretary of State. But he wasn't born in the US. He spent the first 15 years of his life saluting a German flag, yet that does nothing to diminish the service he gave to this country. So why couldn't an extremely intelligent and fully capable man such as this hold the office of the presidency?

Again, it doesn't mean all immigrants can't make good leaders.

(Would you have voted for Kissinger for President by the way if your way was had and he could run?)


I believe, as I've said, that when there are plenty of fine individuals in the United States who have risked their lives for the US serving in the military, not serving in a foreign military; one who has spent their formative years (I dont think the importance of this should be dismissed) learning about principles of liberty, pledged to the American flag and no other, and never swore allegiance to a country except the United States who are eligible to be President, there is no reason to look outside this nation for a candidate.

This is the most important position of our country. It's wise to trust the founders' intent here and keep the bar raised for the Office.



There is no reason to change the law just so we can "be fair" to immigrants. It's simply too weak an argument, and I hope you're not making it simply because you're star struck by Arnold.
 
AristotleBC said:
Effect implies dramatic and drama is about eliciting emotional reactions.


You keep talking around my points. Of course my argument was ridiculous, I was mirroring yours.

You are comfortable with the idea of a person who spent theoretically the better part of his life (30 years) pledging allegiance to say, the flag of Germany becoming President?

It's possible I suppose that someone like that would make a good President, just as an illegal alien might make a good CIA agent. But why take the risk when there are plenty of American-born citizens to do the job? That's my question.

Your arguments are pretty childish at best.
 
An interesting addition to this thread.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/schwarzenegger.ap/index.html

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Austrian historians are challenging California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for telling the Republican National Convention that he saw Soviet tanks in his homeland as a child and that he left a "Socialist" country when he moved away in 1968.

Recalling that the Soviets once occupied part of Austria in the aftermath of World War II, Schwarzenegger told the convention on Tuesday: "I saw tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes."

Historians, however, are questioning Schwarzenegger's version of postwar history -- if not his enduring popularity among Austrians who admire him for rising from a penniless immigrant to the highest official in America's most populous state.

"It's a fact -- as a child he could not have seen a Soviet tank in Styria," the southeastern province where Schwarzenegger was born and raised, historian Stefan Karner told the Vienna newspaper Kurier.

Schwarzenegger, now a naturalized U.S. citizen, was born on July 30, 1947, when Styria and the neighboring province of Carinthia belonged to the British zone. At the time, postwar Austria was occupied by the four wartime allies, which also included the United States, the Soviet Union and France.

The Soviets already had left Styria in July 1945, less than three months after the end of the war, Karner noted.

Margita Thompson, spokeswoman for Schwarzenegger, defended Schwarzenegger's speech.

"Never in there did the governor reference that the tanks were where he grew up. It was a reference to visiting Soviet-occupied Austria," she said.

In his convention address, Schwarzenegger also said: "As a kid, I saw the Socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left" in 1955 and Austria regained its independence.

But Martin Polaschek, a law history scholar and vice rector of Graz University, told Kurier that Austria was governed by coalition governments, including the conservative People's Party and the Social Democratic Party. Between 1945 and 1970, all the nation's chancellors were conservatives -- not Socialists.

What's more, when Schwarzenegger left in 1968, Austria was run by a conservative government headed by People's Party Chancellor Josef Klaus, a staunch Roman Catholic and a sharp critic of both the Socialists and the Communists ruling in countries across the Iron Curtain.

Schwarzenegger "confuses a free country with a Socialist one," said Polaschek, referring to East European Communist officials' routine descriptions of their countries as Socialist.

Thompson said the governor was "talking about a socialistic-style of government and governing that he experienced when living in Austria."

Polaschek saw the moderate Republican governor's recollections at the convention as a tactical move. Schwarzenegger, he said, was "using the old Communist enemy image for Bush's election campaign."

"He did not speak as a historian, after all, but as a politician," Polaschek said.

Norbert Darabos, a ranking official of Austria's opposition Social Democratic Party, sharply criticized Schwarzenegger's "disdain for his former homeland."

"The Terminator is constructing a rather bizarre Austria image," he said.

But many ordinary Austrians seemed to be in a forgiving mood Friday over the gaffes.

"Maybe he has a wrong recollection -- it's so many years since he left," said Wilma Fadrany, 32, a Vienna waitress.

"There must be political reasons for such comments," she said. "You've got to tell the (convention delegates) what they want to hear in order to win them around. Politicians always talk the way it fits into their agenda."
 
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