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Anybody here 200lbs or under?

Some people are determined to take steroids no matter what. Even those that have never worked out because it's supposedly a miracle cure. Yes, probably trying to go all natural is the best way, but you know what - just do them. If you're determined to do them, then just do them. Get it over with and if they work out for you - do some more. People will tell you all damn day long not to do things - but what they felt was right for them may not be what others found worked for them. Our bodies are different - extremely different in some circumstances. If you feel you're ready - go for it . . . just read all that you can before partaking. Steroids are like many other things - there's a lot to learn - and when you feel you understand what's best for you, then go for it. Just try to educate yourself as much as possible - they're a drug and they can have some unattractive side effects that you can lessen thru reading all that you can.
 
justyxxxx said:
Some people are determined to take steroids no matter what. Even those that have never worked out because it's supposedly a miracle cure. Yes, probably trying to go all natural is the best way, but you know what - just do them. If you're determined to do them, then just do them. Get it over with and if they work out for you - do some more. People will tell you all damn day long not to do things - but what they felt was right for them may not be what others found worked for them. Our bodies are different - extremely different in some circumstances. If you feel you're ready - go for it . . . just read all that you can before partaking. Steroids are like many other things - there's a lot to learn - and when you feel you understand what's best for you, then go for it. Just try to educate yourself as much as possible - they're a drug and they can have some unattractive side effects that you can lessen thru reading all that you can.

Ok, so via this logic. Let's say I'm 17 years old, 140lbs. I feel I'm READY to use steroids and I'm going to do it/determined to, is that ok? NO! of course not. I would go to great lengths to talk people out of cycling when they don't need to cycle. I, for one, don't want to see another TRUE LIFE: "I'm a 145lbs. steroid user"
 
Mr.X said:
Ok, so via this logic. Let's say I'm 17 years old, 140lbs. I feel I'm READY to use steroids and I'm going to do it/determined to, is that ok? NO! of course not. I would go to great lengths to talk people out of cycling when they don't need to cycle. I, for one, don't want to see another TRUE LIFE: "I'm a 145lbs. steroid user"

As I stated -some people will do things NO MATTER WHAT. I didn't say that you shouldn't try to talk them out of it. But, at the same time, recommending a goal that may be unattainable isn't logical either.
 
justyxxxx said:
As I stated -some people will do things NO MATTER WHAT. I didn't say that you shouldn't try to talk them out of it. But, at the same time, recommending a goal that may be unattainable isn't logical either.

In his case, gaining 20-40lbs. with a bulking diet, proper training, supplemenation and rest is very attainable. It's NOT going to happen overnight, it's going to take time, but he can get there naturally.

Need I remind you he's 160lbs.? His genetic limit is not at 160lbs.

noltonr said:
And is it really that too start a cycle at 160lbs.
 
Mr.X said:
In his case, gaining 20-40lbs. with a bulking diet, proper training, supplemenation and rest is very attainable. It's NOT going to happen overnight, it's going to take time, but he can get there naturally.

Need I remind you he's 160lbs.? His genetic limit is not at 160lbs.

It's possibly not- but if he's changed his diet up, added calories, supplemented, etc and it's not working - then I know I'd be looking for some other remedies.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you as to whether he's reached his genetic limit or not. In an ideal world, people wouldn't have to get lipo, they wouldn't have to get their stomach stapled and supplements or steroids wouldn't have to be taken to reduce/gain weight. All of us would be patient enough to want to naturally lose weight or gain weight.

We don't live in an ideal world.

If he feels like he's ready - then hey - my opinion is try them. But read as much as you can about them before you do.

You know, I once saw a movie that Clint Eastwood directed and he kept saying to the girl - you're not ready, you're not ready, you're not ready to box . . . and yet she felt she was and finally got him to let her box . . . and she kept wiping the floor with their asses.

If you feel you're ready, then go for the gold.
 
justyxxxx said:
It's possibly not- but if he's changed his diet up, added calories, supplemented, etc and it's not working - then I know I'd be looking for some other remedies.
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Who said it's not working? he's on here talking about steroids, not on the diet forum working out a bulking diet. He's not ready for steroids and he doesn't need them, period.

justyxxxx said:
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you as to whether he's reached his genetic limit or not. .

You're right, there is no argument, for he has NOT reached his genetic limit.
 
Mr.X said:
Who said it's not working? he's on here talking about steroids, not on the diet forum working out a bulking diet. He's not ready for steroids and he doesn't need them, period.

It's his decision and if given the time, he can decide if he's ready. Steroid users are a varied bunch - from coke and meth users to people that won't touch the other stuff and yet will take 1000 mg of test and every other steroid when really, THEY'RE NOT READY FOR THAT. I wouldn't consider the average steroid user some sort of model citizen - from what I've seen. You are probably someone that actually is saying what you are for his benefit and that is good, but some wear the ability to take steroids like it's some sort of fucking badge - it's not.

Mr.X said:
You're right, there is no argument, for he has NOT reached his genetic limit.
You DON'T have to reach some genetic limit before taking steroids just as you DON'T have to reach a certain point to take drugs such as ephedra, etc. Really - you could genetically allow the fat to drop off over the course of a few months to years. But we take them to speed up the process. Most could naturally lose most of the fat. It seems to be ok in some people's minds to take pills to speed up the fat loss process, but the opposite is off limits. Caffiene isn't necessarily considered all that healthy for people - and yet we take it.
 
justyxxxx said:
It's his decision and if given the time, he can decide if he's ready. .

False, he's not ready, period.

justyxxxx said:
You DON'T have to reach some genetic limit before taking steroids .

Wrong! you CAN hurt yourself by abusing steroids, so don't go on here recommending steroids to a 160lbs. kid.
 
You're built like me, bro. At '10 and 161 I was benching 315 and squatting 405 to the floor, past parallel. Steroids gave me ten, fifteen pounds of muscle, but I only used winny and tren. Lifted like a robot. Got reeeelly shredded and then weirdly grew about an inch and a half. Now I'm right at 6' and a sloppy 188. But ripped I'm still skinny - say 175. We'll see 'cause I just got back into the gym. But here's the deal, man. Skinny and strong as fuck is cool.

FS
 
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