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JohnyJuice
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decem said:
No, it is because these liberal morons couldnt get a real job after school, so they went into teaching. You are still a fucking goon i see.
No, it is because these liberal morons couldnt get a real job after school, so they went into teaching. You are still a fucking goon i see.
I can't really speak for literature (I never figured out the art of reading between the lines and picking up on the subtle nuances..), but I didn't think the philosophy classes I took (and the one literature class I took...) was a profound waste of time. Reading the works of many of the philosophers makes you see the assumptions they make and the thought process they go through to develop their theory... And... I thought it was admirable for someone to go though a systematic thought process to develop moral theories or political theories... I am sure I would have missed much in the texts if not for the profs pointing out specific passages... It is far from being my primary field of research, but that is exactly why I thought a prof being there to direct you was very useful (um, I don't know about others but my philosophy classes didn't have debates...) It was useful precisely because I lacked the insight many philosophers had....
On the other hand, technical courses... (um, well, math and physics courses for me...) Although they impressed me in many ways, for me the instructors were not always necessary because I had build the intuition necessary for the field (cardinal rule 1: it is absolutely crucial that you know the answer before you start the problem. cardinal rule 2: If you don't know the answer to the problem, then the problem is not posed in the proper fashion). It opens you up to a world that is quite different from scientific thinking and... I think getting an instructor to lead a class you don't know the details about is... nice?
And... It isn't necessary wasting your time or polluting your mind... if anything... you at least gained more knowledge, whatever the form...
On the other hand, technical courses... (um, well, math and physics courses for me...) Although they impressed me in many ways, for me the instructors were not always necessary because I had build the intuition necessary for the field (cardinal rule 1: it is absolutely crucial that you know the answer before you start the problem. cardinal rule 2: If you don't know the answer to the problem, then the problem is not posed in the proper fashion). It opens you up to a world that is quite different from scientific thinking and... I think getting an instructor to lead a class you don't know the details about is... nice?
And... It isn't necessary wasting your time or polluting your mind... if anything... you at least gained more knowledge, whatever the form...
Taps
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K, I have to disagree with the whole "those who can't do, teach" philosophy. One of my best friends is a high school teacher. He has 2 degrees, one in Education and another in Mathamatics. He graduated top of his class, and had numerous job offers from private companies. Shit, he had a $70K offer from Microsoft, but turned it down because teaching is something he's always wanted to do. And he's great at it too....the kids really respond to him -- he cares about them and they realize this.
Also, both my parents are Universty profs. They make about 80K/year, which is about half what they could be making in the private sector. Again, they do it because they love teaching.
Another thing to remember is that collage profs don't get payed to teach -- they get payed to do research. Teaching students is just part of thier job, and unfortunetly it often takes a backseat to thier other duties. I've had many profs who had no business being in a class room, and I think that's a bunch of shit. If i'm paying $5000/semester, I want a profs who actually care about what they're doing. Universtiys in general are fucked up tho...the wants of the students really don't matter all that much. Sad but true.
Also, both my parents are Universty profs. They make about 80K/year, which is about half what they could be making in the private sector. Again, they do it because they love teaching.
Another thing to remember is that collage profs don't get payed to teach -- they get payed to do research. Teaching students is just part of thier job, and unfortunetly it often takes a backseat to thier other duties. I've had many profs who had no business being in a class room, and I think that's a bunch of shit. If i'm paying $5000/semester, I want a profs who actually care about what they're doing. Universtiys in general are fucked up tho...the wants of the students really don't matter all that much. Sad but true.
Sushi X
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good points taps. i'd like to add that with that philosophy of those who can't teach, if that's they way our society looks at teachers then it's no wonder our schools are failing. people have to realize teachers are who they are because they want to be there. what if we had no teachers. then where would we be? parent's are'nt going to teach their kids when they need to work and pay bills. also, teachers are not babysitters, not there to parent, but to teach them about the acedemics and teach them to think, reason and express themselves through creativity. poor attitudes towards teachers equals poor results. it's karma.
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Warik
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Also keep in mind that there are exceptions to every rule. Not every teacher is a dumb fuck, not every politician is a crooked thief, not every bodybuilder is a big dummy, not every old lady is a bad driver, and not every UPS driver manages to deliver everybody's package precisely 1 second before they stop delivering.
I strongly believe that if you sign up for a 4-year degree program at a college, whether it's an art, computers, law, etc... you will find that professors worthy of the title "TEACHER" or "EDUCATOR" are in the minority.
In HS I took 6 classes a day for 4 years = 24 classes. Some teachers I had multiple times, so I can safely say I must have had about 20 unique teachers. I would consider only 3 of them to be great teachers.
College? lol... I'm sitting here with 94 credits and I've only had about 2-3 professors who teach better than the norm.
I do agree that there are people who teach because they like to teach. Those are the ones who do a good job. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of teachers out there who teach simply because they a) are college professors who are required to teach in order to do their research or b) are stupid fucks who can't get a better job. Those are the ones who waste my time, and who I wish would hurry up and retire. God damn tenure makes them practically invincible.
-Warik
I strongly believe that if you sign up for a 4-year degree program at a college, whether it's an art, computers, law, etc... you will find that professors worthy of the title "TEACHER" or "EDUCATOR" are in the minority.
In HS I took 6 classes a day for 4 years = 24 classes. Some teachers I had multiple times, so I can safely say I must have had about 20 unique teachers. I would consider only 3 of them to be great teachers.
College? lol... I'm sitting here with 94 credits and I've only had about 2-3 professors who teach better than the norm.
I do agree that there are people who teach because they like to teach. Those are the ones who do a good job. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of teachers out there who teach simply because they a) are college professors who are required to teach in order to do their research or b) are stupid fucks who can't get a better job. Those are the ones who waste my time, and who I wish would hurry up and retire. God damn tenure makes them practically invincible.
-Warik
BoneCruncher
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Warik why dont you just shut your babbling little pie-hole for once, reading your posts is so painfull.
All you do is make blanket statements, you think your the king of logic but in reality you seem lacking in any rational thought.
Then you bore everyone to death with your insightfull little commentaries on the state of affairs around the world.
Oh and whats with signing your name at the end of every post, its like the Warik seal of idiocy.
All you do is make blanket statements, you think your the king of logic but in reality you seem lacking in any rational thought.
Then you bore everyone to death with your insightfull little commentaries on the state of affairs around the world.
Oh and whats with signing your name at the end of every post, its like the Warik seal of idiocy.
Warik said:
Your childish, insulting retorts bore me a great deal, decem. Even if your unfounded claims of my supposed average intelliect, lack of life experience, and my state of being "moronic" and a peon are true, you make no attempt whatsoever to justify them in a respectable manner. Quite frankly, all you know how to do is insult people - and you don't do so very well either.
you're right. i don't make any attempt to justify them in a respectable manner, and i do this for a few reasons.
1. you don't deserve respect
2. everyone already knows WHY you're a moron. i just like telling you that you ARE a moron.
You need to begin acting your age (you know, since you are 25 and I am only 20, you must know a hell of a lot more than me and have so much more life experience than I do) and realizing that a lack of this or a lack of that is irrelevant when stating fact.
no sonny bono.
1. you were not stating fact.
2. since you were not stating fact, a lack of this or a lack of that is NOT irrevelant when your background can not assert the validity of your argument.
Experience? Do you think I speak about English professors and Computer Programming professors after never having been in either class? I've been studying the English language since I was practically out of diapers. I was almost exempt from all college English courses due to my credits from HS.
whoooa... step back. i bet you were in HEPP. man, you really are the shit.
and btw.. no shit you've been studying english since you were practically out of diapers, so has practically every child in any school system in america. what a goofball.
btw.. where'd you learn english? you were taught right? by a teacher right?
Computer Programming class experience? I'm a fucking CS major who hasn't even finished his core yet because he's been taking all of the CS classes.
so let me get this straight. you now know the ins and outs of the CS industry and these subjects/topics/etc in the real world because you have taken many CS courses taught by the same numbskulls who supposedly don't know enough about their profession or subject or area of specialty to make it in the real world.
there's seems to be some conflicting statements there, no?
I've been taught by almost every teacher there, and I know that half of those teachers don't know their heads from their asses and nitpick about stupid shit.
again, you know this because you took some CS courses right? ok.
I had one professor who took off 2 points because I didn't comment the return value of a painfully obvious function (it was a boolean function that opened a file... I can't possibly imagine ANYTHING the return value could be other than success or failure). The guy spent weeks teaching us how to change the color of the text/background in Win32 console applications. What the fuck is the point of that? We spent 2 seconds on the basic concepts of OOP and we didn't even get to linked lists or template classes. WASTE OF FUCKING MONEY THAT CLASS WAS! All because of a scrub professor. Then again, I don't know shit and have no experience, right? My opinion is nothing compared to that of a college professor with 30 degrees who believes that going into the intricate details of how SML type inference works is of incalculable importance to the future programming ability of his students. LOL.
i read that. i really did. but all that shows up on the screen is "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah." maybe something's wrong with my monitor; i don't know.
Speaking of experience, if you consider a Vegas marriage, of which you post a stupid comment about periodically, to a woman you fear you will only see for 2 seconds of the day due to conflicting schedules and the fact that you are STILL in school at the ripe age of 25 to be the "life experience" of a man of above "average intellect," then God bless my ignorance.
hmmm.. perhaps i'm still in school at the "ripe age of 25" because of those experiences. perhaps not. btw.. have you ever been outside of your hometown? i'm guessing no. have you ever not lived with your parents? i'm guessing no. have you ever had sex with a goat? hmm... now THAT is a tough one.
btw.. there is no god silly, but i'll bless you for your ignorance if you wish.
I hate offending people, but if you feel that you can safely reduce my facts, opinions, beliefs, and even personality, to dust based on what you assume about me based on little to no knowledge of my life, while what you have made public of yours is hardly something to envy, makes you seem like a bigger fool than that which you are attempting to make me seem. Besides, being an ass about it hardly encourages people to see your view as valid.
i like offending people. i base nothing on assumptions alone you silly ape. there's quite a bit that can be inferred and deduced from what you write.
btw.. you can never have "facts." damn man, i thought we went through this once.
Have a nice evening.
toodaloo cupcake.
-Warik
-decem
