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I am slightly surprised that tenured prof's in engineering actually get >$100K... but.. I might be mistaken... There are some who have several patents and consult companies on the side and get paid more, but.. nn... NNN!?! Mystery it is... I don't think it is the norm... Directors of Labs and Institutes at MIT and Cornell (who are tenured prof's) just barely make more than $100K... The norm for tenured prof... seem to be more like 60-70K... I think?
As for the job preference to be a prof... (whether it be a humanities or the sciences) Most choose it due to the leverage they get in what they do. They certainly can get more money working for private companies (even the English profs will probably get more writing a column in a newspaper... maybe?? I don't know). But the beauty in the job lies in the fact that you can do whatever you wish to do... The University does not intervene in your work (once you get tenure you can't get fired) so long as you can get funding from whatever source (NSF, DOE, Military, etc.). You don't have to start or abandon certain projects because of company interests... You get the freedom to indulge in whatever you want...
As for the job preference to be a prof... (whether it be a humanities or the sciences) Most choose it due to the leverage they get in what they do. They certainly can get more money working for private companies (even the English profs will probably get more writing a column in a newspaper... maybe?? I don't know). But the beauty in the job lies in the fact that you can do whatever you wish to do... The University does not intervene in your work (once you get tenure you can't get fired) so long as you can get funding from whatever source (NSF, DOE, Military, etc.). You don't have to start or abandon certain projects because of company interests... You get the freedom to indulge in whatever you want...
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Warik
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decem said:
Your childish, insulting retorts bore me a great deal, decem. Even if your unfounded claims of my supposed average intelliect, lack of life experience, and my state of being "moronic" and a peon are true, you make no attempt whatsoever to justify them in a respectable manner. Quite frankly, all you know how to do is insult people - and you don't do so very well either.
You need to begin acting your age (you know, since you are 25 and I am only 20, you must know a hell of a lot more than me and have so much more life experience than I do) and realizing that a lack of this or a lack of that is irrelevant when stating fact. If a 5 year old kid tells you that the probability of the Roulette ball landing on 0 5 times in a row is equal to that of it landing in 5 different specific numbers, do you automatically disregard what he says and insult him just because he's not a statistics professor? Wake up.
Experience? Do you think I speak about English professors and Computer Programming professors after never having been in either class? I've been studying the English language since I was practically out of diapers. I was almost exempt from all college English courses due to my credits from HS.
Computer Programming class experience? I'm a fucking CS major who hasn't even finished his core yet because he's been taking all of the CS classes. I've been taught by almost every teacher there, and I know that half of those teachers don't know their heads from their asses and nitpick about stupid shit. I had one professor who took off 2 points because I didn't comment the return value of a painfully obvious function (it was a boolean function that opened a file... I can't possibly imagine ANYTHING the return value could be other than success or failure). The guy spent weeks teaching us how to change the color of the text/background in Win32 console applications. What the fuck is the point of that? We spent 2 seconds on the basic concepts of OOP and we didn't even get to linked lists or template classes. WASTE OF FUCKING MONEY THAT CLASS WAS! All because of a scrub professor. Then again, I don't know shit and have no experience, right? My opinion is nothing compared to that of a college professor with 30 degrees who believes that going into the intricate details of how SML type inference works is of incalculable importance to the future programming ability of his students. LOL.
Speaking of experience, if you consider a Vegas marriage, of which you post a stupid comment about periodically, to a woman you fear you will only see for 2 seconds of the day due to conflicting schedules and the fact that you are STILL in school at the ripe age of 25 to be the "life experience" of a man of above "average intellect," then God bless my ignorance.
I hate offending people, but if you feel that you can safely reduce my facts, opinions, beliefs, and even personality, to dust based on what you assume about me based on little to no knowledge of my life, while what you have made public of yours is hardly something to envy, makes you seem like a bigger fool than that which you are attempting to make me seem. Besides, being an ass about it hardly encourages people to see your view as valid.
Have a nice evening.
-Warik
musclebrains
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The idea that the teaching of philosophy and literature has no "meaning to society" will come as a great surprise to libertarians who were taught Ayn Rand's books, to the new physicists who read the taoist classics, to the founding fathers who were taught Locke, to Freud who said his work was gleaned from the literary classics, to Patti Smith who was inspired by Rimbaud (but of course the teaching and performing of music are probably as worthless as the teaching and reading of poetry), to every scientist who read the weird dreams of Descartes, to everyone who has been inspired by philosophy and literature to experiment with the structure of his thought and to contemplate more than the immediately present so that new worlds can be made...
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Warik
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musclebrains said:
The idea that a great number of people who have led successful lives and made meaningful contributions to society did so without any philosophical or literary background/inspiration will come as an equally great surprise to you.
The idea that many of those libertarians, founding fathers, and scientists extracted something of worth from said literature did so outside the classroom environment (i.e. on their own) will come as an equally great surprise to you.
The idea that there are more professions in the world today that do not require any philosophical or literary background far outnumber those that do will come as an equally great surprise to you.
Shall I reaffirm my claim? Yes I shall: the teaching of literature and philosophy is NOT meaningful to society. Those who can find inspiration in literature or philosophy can do so OUTSIDE of the classroom environment, and if they are interested, WILL. Those who DO NOT, however, have any interest, and will not find any inspiration in, literature or philosophy (i.e. me and 23908932052343232324 others), and do not require any school-based knowledge of literature or philosophy for ANYTHING in their lives are having their time WASTED and their minds POLLUTED by these things being taught in school.
Quite frankly, I have no interest in fiction, and the last thing a computer programmer needs is to know the theme of some historical piece of writing or whether or not it is morally acceptable to use /* */ comments over double-slash comments. English/Philosophy classes in HS and college have been nothing but a) a waste of time and b) a waste of money to me. Period.
-Warik
cure
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Wouldn't a prof that was liberal be upto a good debate? They seem to be more open minded.
To me, debating is the key in getting the teachers attention and if your points are even remotely thought out or researched your teacher will appreciate that. I have 3 degree's in different fields (poli. science(bac, Masters, PHD), sociology and multimedia) and in all my classes, debating was encouraged.
I agree that some teachers go by the "book" but i knew alot of students who had the balls to questions what they were learning even from their texts. Those were the students who ended up having the greatest relationship with the teacher and also the best grades.
All this also depends on the size of the class and whether or not you are disturbing the teacher from advancing in his/her methods of teaching. Everyone is different but i have never seen a student get a low mark or being told to "shut up" for actually speaking their mind.
To me, debating is the key in getting the teachers attention and if your points are even remotely thought out or researched your teacher will appreciate that. I have 3 degree's in different fields (poli. science(bac, Masters, PHD), sociology and multimedia) and in all my classes, debating was encouraged.
I agree that some teachers go by the "book" but i knew alot of students who had the balls to questions what they were learning even from their texts. Those were the students who ended up having the greatest relationship with the teacher and also the best grades.
All this also depends on the size of the class and whether or not you are disturbing the teacher from advancing in his/her methods of teaching. Everyone is different but i have never seen a student get a low mark or being told to "shut up" for actually speaking their mind.
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