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stop wasting money on winstrol....for most here....its all you know thats why you use that and deca,
sostanon is a waste..over priced..why pay average $10 per amp
when you could get ethanate 250 10ml for about $60..a $40 savings..test is test.....stop listening to people who dont know and do your own research..
if you have gyno dont rush to the surgeon..100mg proviron and 40 tamox gets the titis out...
stop using fina and dmso...WASTE.....inject it..
tokkyyo sucks..always did..finally we see the consequences...
how did you ever tell there orals apart..they all look like dbol
best mex comp now.....QV and denkall..tornell and bratis(even though they are undergraound)
nothing beats anapolan..................
the most overrated drug..deca
my best cycle tren, test, A bombs, GH, slin...uncontrollable growth..later
 
i feel the same on most everything you said.....but you left out one very important part! people are different and nothing works for everyone. but as general rules i would say that is good.
 
jc21 said:
i feel the same on most everything you said.....but you left out one very important part! people are different and nothing works for everyone. but as general rules i would say that is good.

Now that's right on the money.
 
proviron and nolvadex get rid of existing gyno? Interesting...

I like Ttokkyo, never had a problem with the gear...The orals are different colors, my little brother could tell you the difference...

Bratish Labs is crap...
 
If Sustanon is crap, why do people report nice gains with minimal side effects? Enanthate is very good for mass, but many people say that it hurts, and there is more aromatization. Alot of people say thats because when Sustanon is used, you are injecting less long acting esters, and the others go to waste.....what does everyone else think?
 
You know what, I have had my differences with Animal B in the past, but I have to agree with him 100% on everything he said. Deca sucks big dick, so does TTokkyos injectables, so does Sust. Waste of money. I also did the same cycle as animal, Test, a bomb, fina, gh and slin. I can say to this day that nothing gave me the quick weight gains as that cycle. Only other cycle that has come close is the one I'm doing right now with test, dbol, slin, fina and proviron. Wow!

I would love to see 100mg proviron and 40mg Nolva cure my gyno, but unfortunately I don't think anything takes gyno away... only makes it less irritable.
 
The key ingredient here is slin. Take it out of the formula would significantly change the results. This I have learned. Otherwise I wouldnt be maintaining almost 220 with HRT doses of test 200mg/10days. And I feel a heck of a lot better than when I was plugging more than a gram or 2 of combined gear. Not to say I wont again someday. But not for now.
 
well Now I see I got some of the old farts out of the wood works..I never said sost is crap..it is a fantastic drug..but I merely said there is other less expensive alternatives.......
maybe Im color blind on the tokkyyo tabs..but why make them all the same shape..I copy of brit desp dbols..
2 thick...I know your the deca man..
and serious if you have exsisting gyno..100mg prov and 40mg tamox will bring it down over 3 weeks..also switching to anabolics..and getting away from the androgens
 
HighBall said:
If Sustanon is crap, why do people report nice gains with minimal side effects? Enanthate is very good for mass, but many people say that it hurts, and there is more aromatization.

yeah and not to mention the synergestic effect of 4 different esters found in sustanon........................what a joke

test is test, one ester will not aromatise more then another
 
Re: Re: animal B comments

2Thick said:



You were making sense until you got here...

Deca is by far the best injectable out there.

You obviously haven't tried fina.

Test would have to be the most overrated drug though ... (at least for me).

-sk
 
serge said:


yeah and not to mention the synergestic effect of 4 different esters found in sustanon........................what a joke

test is test, one ester will not aromatise more then another


I know that one won't aromatize more than the other, but if the fast acting esters are out of your system, by not injecting ED or EOD, you are getting less overall stabilized test levels.

If you inject 400mgs of Sustanon vs. 400mgs of enanthate, once or twice a week, the Sustanons going to give you less gains, because there are only 2 long acting esters, and your levels will be jumping. Therfore Less overall test in your system at once, less gains, and less sides.

I actually read an article on this in detail a few months ago. I'll see if I can dig it up.
 
awesome post! keep it going!

i love deca and would agree it is one of the best injectables, but so is fina. too bad most people cant run them together.

tt products have always been hit and miss for me. deca and eq are good. testonon, anadrol, and cyp sucked

the only thing i have seen cure gyno besides surgery is a guy i know shot gh into his gyno. after about a month his gyno was gone. seems to make sense since gyno is a fatty tissue.

sust is working great......250mg/eod.
 
Dtsch Med Wochenschr 1984 Nov 2;109(44):1678-82

[Testosterone and estradiol levels in male gynecomastia. Clinical and endocrine findings during treatment with tamoxifen]

[Article in German]

Eversmann T, Moito J, von Werder K.

Oestradiol-(E2) levels in serum were significantly higher in a group of 91 males with gynaecomastia than in a control group. The levels were highest in patients with testicular tumour, hyperprolactinaemia and idiopathic gynaecomastia. In gynaecomastia of puberty and primary or secondary hypogonadism, the E2 level was within normal limits, but the testosterone/oestradiol ratio was significantly reduced. Tamoxifen, at a daily dose of 20 mg, was administered over 2-4 months to 16 patients with gynaecomastia. Of twelve patients with painful gynaecomastia ten became painfree. Gynaecomastia regressed partially or completely in 14 patients, in only 2 was it unchanged. There was no recurrence of gynaecomastia after discontinuing tamoxifen. Side-effects did not occur. It is concluded that tamoxifen is a promising alternative to the surgical treatment of gynaecomastia.
 
personally, i love winny.
i cant use dball causes too much anxiety, anadrol makes me look like a beach whale, eq i only can use at low dose because of anxiety also.
i find deca too be the better alternative.
test is a must in every cycle and tren is my new favorite drug.
so mostly all my cycles will have test,winny and tren in it.
bulking, cutting only diet matters.
 
Here it is
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From: John Maynard [[email protected]]
Subject: HOW TO CYCLE SUSTANON

HOW TO CYCLE SUSTANON
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The Proper Way to Cycle SUSTANON (has been floating around for years)

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages
so you can fully benifit from the esters in Sustanon.

Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels
balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually,
which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty
of different results fromt the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do
not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of
isocaproate100mg of deconateCombined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each
ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every
third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that
is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.

To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now lets look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The decanoate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3.This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.

If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take
out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless.
Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only
relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I dont even taper at the end (but that is a different story).

The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First I would answer dont buy it.
If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal.

If you dont believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesnt like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly shit, thats crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no its not crazy, its science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilders needs equal injecting every day.

People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps
a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you
are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference.

Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and decca, or decca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like
night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed.
 
Test is a MUST in every cycle...no doubt about that one.

Fina is my favorite gear by far.

#1 fat burner GH hands down

Most side effects Anadrol, but love the strenght and weight gains

#1 pump INSULIN

PROVIRON, #1 drugs for increasing sex drive...loving this shit

#1 anti E, Liquidex (i'm shreded on dbol, test, fina, slin with no water right now)
 
hard as rocks said:
personally, i love winny.
i cant use dball causes too much anxiety, anadrol makes me look like a beach whale, eq i only can use at low dose because of anxiety also.
i find deca too be the better alternative.
test is a must in every cycle and tren is my new favorite drug.
so mostly all my cycles will have test,winny and tren in it.
bulking, cutting only diet matters.

Winny sucks!! It's more toxic than Fina.
 
animal, you said that your best cycle was tren, test, A bombs, GH, slin. can you breakdown how you used these (mg/week, etc.)
 
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