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Kane Fan

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in less then 12 hours I wil start training to be a fighter
wish me luck guys
I'm being taught by a friend of mine
and the irony is my grappling is going to be learned from a ten year old girl
sadly, she's well ahead of me on the ground right now lol
oh god...I hope to someday be a first class fighter so I can point out how my grappling training started
 
I have no idea
mostly boxing, some thai boxing and I think BJJ for groundwork
I want to try Judo at some point as well
 
oh yeah and I want to try Sambo and Capoertia someday
I want to learn the Jinga and such just because I think it would be awsome to be able to show off to my friends with the flipping etc
 
good class
got 2 more students that was cool
they are both nice guys
man, I am such a damn confusing fighter
if you TRIED to make up the profile of a fighter that was just mixed up and made no sence, you could scarecly do better then me

ok here is the brakedown

Big Fellow --> Fast Hands
Good in the Clinch --> Terrible at getting to the Clinch
Takedown Artist --> Horrible on the Ground (you'd have to see how bad to believe it)
there's more but I'm having trouble recalling...
it's like my fighting abilities are an inside joke or something lol
 
Kane Fan said:
good class
got 2 more students that was cool
they are both nice guys
man, I am such a damn confusing fighter
if you TRIED to make up the profile of a fighter that was just mixed up and made no sence, you could scarecly do better then me

ok here is the brakedown

Big Fellow --> Fast Hands
Good in the Clinch --> Terrible at getting to the Clinch
Takedown Artist --> Horrible on the Ground (you'd have to see how bad to believe it)
there's more but I'm having trouble recalling...
it's like my fighting abilities are an inside joke or something lol
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If you continue to acknowledge your weak spots, you're probably going to be good. Almost every fighter in any style or experience level can improve on something. Some guys don't see or won't believe it and lose a fight or two they might have won if they remained critical of themselves.
 
oh then Im' sure to be one of the greats
all I do is think about my weakspots lol
actually I hinder myself because my friend said I worry so much about my weaknesses I fail to utilize my strengths
 
how did you throw him?

what are you training in? anything specific or just mma type stuff?

good luck!
 
mma type stuff
he has experience with a lot of styles
he has the standard Boxing/MuY Thai for standup BJJ for groundwork but he's also done some Judo and Sambo as well I think his grappling is primarily BJJ tho and maybe some Greco
(apparently whenever he was bored he'd sign up for a different style lol, it paied off whatever the hell he did to get his abilities)

he wants me to be a Clincher and we did some clinch work
we were just moving around and I actually threw him by accident
I pushed the back of his head as I went to the side just as he was repositioning his arm and my timing went pretty well
I actually INTENEDED to get his back and wound up tossing him 3 or 4 feet
he seemd glad tho he was smiling on the way down and laughing as he got up
I dunno if he was happy or not tho cus after he came over and did a takedown on me but he seemd pleased
my endurance is a bit rough tho
what the hell I'm like 255 I think tha'ts to be expected since I havn't done anything physical other then standard lifting
I hope it impreoves tho
 
In the beginning most of your spots will be weak... That is why your train.... As far as endurance there is nothing like sparring.. I think it might be the adrenaline or the focus involved... I can go crazy sprinting, run long distances.. Hit the precore etc, but sparring always leaves me wiped out..
 
the endurance will come with the training dont worry about that...

improving your endurance is the easiest thing for a fighter to do there really is not much skill to it you just have to do it.. if your too lazy for that you most likely wont go too far regardless..

i really like the clinch as opposed to staying in striking range and allowing the guy to shoot from a distance.. im much more comfortable in a clinch type situation.
 
I am to
in straight standup I panick about getting hit (I will turn my damn head, when the other guy isn't even swining, I gotta work on that shit) but in a clinch he could be punching me in the damn face I'd just tuck to absorb some of it and be hitting him back
plus I can get some serious power in a hook even throwing it w/out hip rotation or anything just pow
but I need to work on getting possitions right in the Clinch
I have gotten better at getting into the Clinch tho
intitally I had thought it to be one of my weaknesses but it's easier for me when sparring then when practicing for some reason
guess I think too much
 
I';m going to train 3 days this week instead of 2
that kicks ass
might get some weekend training time in but Im' not sure
 
ok today we worked on them hitting me with pads on, in the face
I was tucked behind my forearms and I did a better job of paying attention this time and not flinching
but I have to say, my Bobbing, sucks
bad
 
today we did a lot of Clinch work and Conditioning in general
the condititioning about killed me
but I was good in the clinch
every time I pushed the instructor out of the square (we did like a psuedo Sumo thing) he seemed happy about it
 
Do any of the guys at your training site fight professionally? There are a few places here in Chicago that are great. The guys are nice and the fighting is intense.
 
I dunno if Jeremy fights pro or not but I know he wants to
he has fought amater style before
he's quite good

ok today
I am underagressive
I hear that a lot but I am underagressive
today we had a busted lip, a black eye, and 2 or 3 knock downs
all caused by me
and I'm still getting bitched at for being underagressive
we also learned the Triangle Choke which the instructor and I both feel I am too thick to use effectivly
tho oddly it was what I pickedup on quickest as far as grappling goes...
 
kane fan, I like the way your giving details and updates about your training. Like the black eyes and being told your underaggressive and stuff. Keep it coming. But I'm curious about how some of your training is going to come from that 10 yr old. Let us know how that goes, what she taught you, and such.
 
tbuz67 said:
kane fan, I like the way your giving details and updates about your training. Like the black eyes and being told your underaggressive and stuff. Keep it coming. But I'm curious about how some of your training is going to come from that 10 yr old. Let us know how that goes, what she taught you, and such.
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believe it or not (and if I were you I wouldn't but it's still true) the ten year old is awsome
she gives people a lot of shit about technique and stuff (she's really not the cute cuddly little kid type)
what we do a lot is have me work the Clinch with her because in the Clinch I do the standard newbie mistake of trying to bully the other guy around with muscle and weight (which is a fine option) but I get gassed out quickly that way and they just turned me or went with me to wear me down then they dominate me, so we want me to work technique, now when I am dealing with a ten year old girl of course I am careful as hell and don't use any more strength then I absofreakinglutely need
so it helps me a lot with technique so that I have two options in a Clinch instead of one
similar situation with grappling
also I have trouble cutting off runners
and she's quite fast because of her small size so she is good for me to practice footwork with
it's also good for conditioning work, if we are doing squat jumps and I am tired but a ten year old girl is going strong, it is insentive to keep my ass jumping
she's an extra set of eyes to watch things, she will watch footwork for punches and clinching while her father watches my hands to keep them up etc
really it's hard to believe how much help she is lol
today I tickled her to a tapout victory tho
 
casualbb said:
hmm how about a training journal?
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I figured I'd put it here cus it's Martial Arts training
I don't mention weight training we do it in or anything so I figured it fit better here
 
ok so today we did Upper Cuts
I'm told my Upper Cuts and Hooks are solid for my experience level but everything else is shit
I have trouble cutting off runners (and I need to do that as a charger) and my foot work in general sucks
also my cardio is shit
 
KANE -- try jumping rope.. Sounds gay.. you are going to look like a complete tool for a couple of weeks but it really is great -- your goal is to build up your time... I am up too 90 second rounds consistently with a weighted rope -- it is great... Now that the weather is nicer I go down to the park 3 -4 times a week... It is not even like work - I actually enjoy it... ALSO invest in an MP3 player that you can skip rope or run with... I wear mine all the time.. the workouts fly by... Conditioning will allow you to make up for skill.. If you have superior conditioning to a fighter who is more skilled than you are the fight will be closer than if you are both out of shape...
 
yah
right now I have been running up and down steps I have
(as opposed to running up and down steps that are not really there I guess)
and my instructor wants me to do sprints
another big problem is I hold my freaking breath for combinations...
dunno why
 
ok today I was told I learned 'a whole lot' in 8 days
I dunno if that was a compliment or not but I'll take what I can get
my punching is goign pretty well but I tend not to keep my hand up when my other hand is punching so that is annoying to me
as is my friend slapping me to remind me of it...
believe it or not I did pretty well on the ground today
I didn't tap anybody out or anything but I gave the instructors some problems
nothing major tho
I got through the instructors guard pretty easily but part of that was a size issue, he has trouble locking full guard in on me
and I 2 or 3 times got to a good possition for a half nelson choke (I think that's what it's called) and the third damn time the instructor goes, "I think we are going to have to teach you that submission" I was like 'I wish you would!'

I think on the ground punches are my best bet
and my good submissions would be Kimura/KeyLocks and that choke
 
my punching went ok
combos were pretty good
have trouble keeping my elbow up on a hook and instead of snapping it back I kinda let it slowly return and it comes low...
also I worked Bobbing and it went better but I still dont' think I have it
 
sounds like your getting a good mix of everything.

how many days a week are you training now and for how long?

are you doing any training outside the gym like lifting or running?

good luck
 
we do a lot of conditioning in the class so when I am used to that level of conditioning Im' going to get back into lifting
we train 2 or 3 days a week depending on what our scheduals all alow for
and we havef 2 hour classes
 
ok today (yesterday now since it is coming up on 1am here) we did a lot of punch combos and worked some slipping into a clinch and working around behind them for a slam
we also did some work for if they try to sacrifice throw me, countering and going to a takedown isntead of a slam
I did fair at the takedown part and pretty good at the slam potential, my slipping needs work tho
oh and we did some ground and pound training
my punches are iffy but my elbows are great if I do say so myself
I was working the guy on the bottom and he had two pads on and was still grunting and the instructor goes 'and just think he's holding back'
my right hand is ok for punching in g'n'p but my left is iffy
I'll work on that
also did some work trying to hold mount


oh and on a sadder note, my grandfather passed away
 
who me?
wher eelse would I be

anyway I wont be training thursday or friday like I normally would
back again on tuesday I hope
 
lilred is that a pic of you as your avatar?

I wont be able to train again until Thursday cus of my work schedual
damnit
 
ok Thursday was cool
trained a little ground and pound
my right arm punching and elbowing is fine
my left arm I havn't even tried to elbow with I dont' think and the punching is off for gnp, it's like the fist comes down at an angle

oh and lol this was great
ok my friends are teaching me
and one friend (head instructor) hasthis little girl, she's a great kid and she helps train us
well I was on the bottom and another guy was trying GNP for the first time and he was rocking too much, he would get bucked or pushed off
so I was laying there with a pad on my chest he was beating on and I"m like no dude your leaning too much
and the lil girl goes yah do it like this
and starts hitting the pad
and I'm like ug! uf! ow! ah! mm!
she was throwing some good punches damnit
I was like jeez...
and we did some standup clinch work
I am apparently rather quick on my feet for a big guy
which is good
we did some breaking them being behind you and going behind them (sorry my friends arn't big on telling me the name of what the hell we are doing)
and I wasok at that
and I thought we should do it slightly differently and when another friend of ours came over that night and I showed him he said to do it a little differntly and said exactly what I was thinking of doing
so perhaps I have found my niche in the fight world...
the Clinch lol
it's what my instructor said I'd be good at, apparently he knows what he's doing
so then Friday we had some sparring and that went well and crapy at the same time
my under aggression continues to be a problem
the instructor litterally kicked me in the ass to get me to move forward on the one guy I was sparring
tho I did bowl him over off of one charge and everyone said it was a good charge..ended the fight actually cus he landed rough and hurt his leg some
then I knocked the instructor down, initially he was quite pleased cus he's actualy very good defensivly and hard to catch so I thnk he was proud, then I waited for him to get up and he got mad cus I didn't stay on him
so he gave me a solid cross to the jaw
he did it to irritate me or punish me or something but actually that was one of my favorit parts of the class
I finally took a punch straight to the damned face and didn't look away
I had previously looked away while getting hitt and while hitting
then I just looked away mostly while getting hit but took a few that I didn't flinch from which was great
and I ddin't look away very much at all when I was actually throwing
tho I did catch a really solid hit to the nose
I didn't fall or even get wobbly I just stumbled slightly then readjusted my feet (he hit me so hard my feet got out of stance like..way out of stance) and went back at it with him
also, when we clinched up one time I got his back
that was terrific
oddly the instructors where less pleased with me getting a more advanced fighters back then they where when I caught him with a pretty clean hook that made him stumble slightly....
he thought it was good that I got his back but no one else felt it was a big deal
same thing with knocking the instructor down
the instructor seemed happy at first but no one else did
we were doing straight stand up so I had nothing to do with his back
can't slam him on the ground out there I'd kill him, didn't want us doing takedowns
not really sure what they want me to do when I knock someone down...maybe I should dive on them for GNP I dunno I'll have to ask
oh and every time my one friend threw a cross I caught him with a hook
I took the damned cross but I caught him with the hook
so at least I'm getting better
once again two biggest problems are flinching when swung on and lack of aggression
tho I flinched almost none when I was the one swinging
so I'm glad that improved
I dont' think I skipped anything..
I was really suprsed at the little girls Ground and Pound power tho...
oh I also caught someone with a really solid slap, it was supposed to be a Hook but he was too far away so to catch him I had to open the Hook up and it got less power then it could have had but it made a loud sound and his arms went wobbly he didn't go down tho
I keep getting yelled at to watch the power
but I'm already watching the power!
if I slow down anymore I'm never going to make contact with them...
oh well
I am still enjoying training despite the pain and stuff
 
MM107 :

Call this number :
212) 226-1792

then call the number that the Recordng gives you .
THAT guy is the biggest badass that you can get to .

Its his Cellphone . Just say you got the # off his Website , and youre calling about Classes .

His English is hard to Understand .

Put up wih it .

He dosent teach a "Flavour Of The Month" system , and dosent folow Trends .

Put up with it .

Ive seen his 100 lb daughter LEVEL a legit 300lber - the cat knows wat hes doing , and EVERY lesson is like a Seminar from everyone else .

He also happens to be in Queens .
 
i could never take lessons from a girl who's alittle more than half my age. just me though...
 
actually she's less then half my age
her dad does the lessons tho she just helps
but she's really rather skilled for a kid
 
ok today we did some combos and footwork
my footwork is ok I think but not good
and my punching was alright but not good either
we did some retreating and punching
my instrcutor wants me forever going forward to keep pressure on the other guy, so of course my going forward punching is iffy at best and my retreating punching is relativly solid....
how could it go any other way right? lol
I feel my Endurance is improving
oh and we did frog jumps and I was clearing some serious distance, which is good cus I'm like 260 lbs
 
today we did some live clnich work which was great
I enjoyed it
I usually do
my Endurance still needs to get better
and my hands are quick
I was doing four punch combinations faster then most people in the class can manage 3 or even 2
I also did some kicks the instructor saw and he said he was goign to show me more kicks then he origionally planned on
I think the low kick is going to work very well for me
I am not very quick at advancing so if I fight a runner I'm really going to want to hurt his leg some to slow him down or draw his hands down to open up his face
what would be ideal I think is a low kick cross or low kick hook
I'd prefer hook even tho I think cross is superior option, my cross isn't up to par (I'm going to work on that now that my punching bag is hung)
hmmm...what else
I can get the instructor like 1/4 turned
so if I can get 4x as good I can get his back...
lol
oh and he showed a friend a sacrifice takedown that rolls into an armbar
looked awsome and my friend picked up on it quick
I think my friend will be a very good fighter someday if he keeps this up, and he seems to have a true interest
I am glad
the instructor(s) seem to think I am a better fighter then he is, I would say that I would beat him in a fight but I am litterally twice his size
and he dosn't yet have the skill to make that a hinderence to me while making it an advantage to me is easy
and I really think size and strength are all I have on him, and handspeed
I honestly believe tho that he is a more skilled fighter
oh and the instructor went for an armbar on me and I did the defence where you reach through and grab your arm to keep them from straightening it
he was quite happy with how class went
but he still gave us some shit and said we should be further ahead then we are now
if I KO'd Chuck Liddel tomarrow he'd say the same thing, at least I think he would lol
my Clinch work is still my most solid range surely, with the addition of kicks I think my 'long' range work will improve
also I am going to work the shit out of my cross and jab
and my footwork
and my Endurance...
and anything else that comes to mind lol
I Clinched with everyone today
the instructors little girl seems to get nervous in a clinch I think it is her worst range
she's pretty good on the ground because her manuverabilty is nearly perfect due to her young age and slimness she can roll around you and you can litterally loose track of her
and at striking she is pretty good at moving around and avoiding you till she gets the chance to move in for a strike and go back again
but in a clinch she seems to just get nervous
she is great for me to work with tho because with any of the other students (all adult males) I just insticntivly try to out muscle them (and I succeed pretty well but the instructors are more skilled then I am and they go back to absorb the strength ewear me out and then get my back) but with her it is easy for me to restrain my strength and do my utmost to utilize pure skill on her
also she is shorter then me so it's good for teaching me to keep my center low etc
plus if she gets nervous in a clinch she needs work there so I am in a way helping her learn to defend herself if she is ever clinched up
so many things are getting worked on at once there
 
keep it up , man . Good Posts , kep p the Blogging like this , too ,ESPECIALLY if it heps you keep going to classes , even just a LITTLE bit !

Good Job looking at things in Perspective , too . Yourer right , Big ppl just beat up LITTLE ppl , and theres nothing to be done about that . MA can only CUT Natural advantages , not Erase them utterly .

Goos Work , and Good Eye .
 
yah, well on the ground my size can help me or hurt me depending
it means more weight for me to bear down and pin someone with and harder punches as I pound their head in, but my manuverability on the ground is terrible so if someone is smaller then me and gets me in a weak possition I'm pretty well stuck there until I get tapped out or pound them into a comba lol
which is hard from the bottom

class tomarrow (I think) and then again on Thursday so hopefully those will go well
please respond as often as you feel like I like bsing about this sort of thing
I have like 3 of these logs
I havn't updated the one in a long time tho
the other two I update the day of each class
 
Kane Fan :

That honestly has very litle to do with Size , man . I find that if you have Proportionately Short legs it can hinder you a LITLE , but its MOSTLY just about getting Comfortable with the Motion . Try this :

On the Hack Squat and the 45Degree Sled put only about 65-70% of your normal Rep Weight on , then go down to where you normally would STOP a rep .

Make THAT place your STARTING point and go CRAZY deep - like to the point where your Knees are behind your Ears and the footplate hits your ass deep . Dont do these for Strength , do them in the 15 Rep Range or so . Also You can do a variation of this same thing on the Smith Machine , Starting your Reps at Thighs Paralell , and throw in Burpees , and Hindu Squats as well .
 
wedo Burpees now
well a varient of them instead of the jump we do apushup at the bottom and just stand up
then we do jumps seperatly
Hindu Squats I have done and should start again
I wouldn't mind better ground manuverability
bit it's still going to be difficult for me to pull my legs into a grapple where a leaner guy can easily do it
I'd still like to have submissions as a viable option but I'm ok with GnP as my ground victory
the real problem I see is when I'm on the bottom
 
all i can tell you dude is: when asked, try to not practise with a girl cuz they can hold you back. i always see guys going really easy on the girls cuz they dont want to hurt them, or cuz they want to get laid. so just go all out on guys. unless the chicks are really hot. and good luck! :D
 
my wife hates that shit and shell beat the snot out of you if you go light on her OR if she Percieves that you have been Dodging her in Sparring .

Women pay their $ and they want to learn just as much as the next person . And there are PLENTY of soft Guys out there "Training" . the BEST theing to do is to treat everyone the same , and if that makes ppl drop out , well , GOOD ! They werent meant to be there anyway , and they have no business holding up the rest of the Students .
 
well your wife is the exception not the rule. every chick ive seen in martial arts classes are always "hey! oww" when they take a jab to the face. and i mean comeon, if youre a guy, you arent really gonna manhandle a woman in sparring as much as you would a guy.. unless youre some sort of sociopath.
 
you shold if the as you to VERY Nicely .

Otherwise , dont Drop your Guard !

But my Wife is 6' tall , shes not a Child , so you dot HAVE to take it easy on her lest you WANT to , and that bothers her because like I said , she pays to Train there too ! If youre in the same Weight Class , then it should NEVER be about "Lightening Up" on ppl in Training , unless of course youre learning new stuff ,because you cant GET it with Full Reistance right from the Jump .
 
Djimbe said:
my wife hates that shit and shell beat the snot out of you if you go light on her OR if she Percieves that you have been Dodging her in Sparring .

Women pay their $ and they want to learn just as much as the next person . And there are PLENTY of soft Guys out there "Training" . the BEST theing to do is to treat everyone the same , and if that makes ppl drop out , well , GOOD ! They werent meant to be there anyway , and they have no business holding up the rest of the Students .
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I generally go easy with the girl of our class because she's a child
but I don't make it a cake walk in general for females I train with
becuse if I do that I am cheating them
but I would hold back some
my instructor's ex was a very good fighter
I am glad I never had to spar with her
 
Yarg! said:
unless youre some sort of sociopath.
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Reminds me - I DECKED her one time at our Mechanics !

She was feeling Frisky and straight JUMPED my ass from behind - and there was like a dozen MEN ther , I was TOTALLY not looking ,so I hit her HARD - one punch Knockdown hard for a 6'er ...

Eveyone in the place looked at me for that LOOOOOONG second like "WIFEBEATER !!!!" Til she hopped RIGHT up ,. Rollaed her Shoulders , dug her heels in and ran RIGHT back at my ass !
 
my 'toughest' opponent in my judo class is a female. i outweight her, im stronger, faster and have more experience.. but... she is hungry.. she is soo eager to improve that she gives it her all.. if she senses anyone babying her cause she is female or weaker she will get pretty upset..

randori in judo is def. different then most sparring sessions in other martial arts regardless this girl pulls out all the stops.. digging her chin in while pinning.. she takes your back by placing her knee into your spine/back to create angles to roll with.. she will use knee on chest very aggresively.. dig her elbows in.. whatever she is there to play as a competitor.. not play as a girl..

ive also trained w/ 1 female who was a 3x olympian and 1 who was a 2x olympian and 1x WORLD champion.. i wouldnt dare try to take it easy on either of them.. they were both ridiculous
 
Djimbe said:
Reminds me - I DECKED her one time at our Mechanics !

She was feeling Frisky and straight JUMPED my ass from behind - and there was like a dozen MEN ther , I was TOTALLY not looking ,so I hit her HARD - one punch Knockdown hard for a 6'er ...

Eveyone in the place looked at me for that LOOOOOONG second like "WIFEBEATER !!!!" Til she hopped RIGHT up ,. Rollaed her Shoulders , dug her heels in and ran RIGHT back at my ass !
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you are so lucky
 
Judo Tom said:
my 'toughest' opponent in my judo class is a female. i outweight her, im stronger, faster and have more experience.. but... she is hungry.. she is soo eager to improve that she gives it her all.. if she senses anyone babying her cause she is female or weaker she will get pretty upset..

randori in judo is def. different then most sparring sessions in other martial arts regardless this girl pulls out all the stops.. digging her chin in while pinning.. she takes your back by placing her knee into your spine/back to create angles to roll with.. she will use knee on chest very aggresively.. dig her elbows in.. whatever she is there to play as a competitor.. not play as a girl..

ive also trained w/ 1 female who was a 3x olympian and 1 who was a 2x olympian and 1x WORLD champion.. i wouldnt dare try to take it easy on either of them.. they were both ridiculous
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that's hot
I'd like to roll with her
I'd get my ass kicked because my groundwork is my weakspot but..still

anyway today we had a class with no instructor cus he couldn't make it
it was pretty cool
we did a lot of punching
I did a bunch of jab hook cross and jab hook cross into a clinch front headlock
and a jab hook cross into a clinch into a hipthrow
the hip throw has given me a lot of trouble
then after we had class we had lunch
I came back, and went back to work
mostly doing straight bagwork cus I was solo
I did punching the bag during a song then rested a song then went again for a song with my Evanesence CD
it was pretty good
then I did a lot of footwork
I put in a lot of training time today
 
how did they teach the hip throw... maybe i can help w/ some pointers..

the last few weeks i have instructred a lot of new people how to perform a very basic hip throw
 
it's hard to describe
basically I get my arm behind their head (or under their arm they said either way was ok, under the arm I think is an easier grip for me)
I step around so that my feet are pretty close together and my back is to them (already I am nervous...) then I shove my hips/ass into their stomach and lean forward
I dont complete the throw because we dont' have mats
what sucks is I can't even tell when I do it right vs when I do it wrong
the instructor will see it and be like great
then the next time that sucked
and I'll have thought they looked exactly the same
 
not training again till Tuesday
jonsing already
think I'm going to do something tomarrow training wise
work the bag
squat jumps
something
 
http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/koshiguruma.htm

http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/koshiguruma.htm

http://judoinfo.com/video/gokyo/KoshiGuruma.wmv

http://judoinfo.com/video/gokyo/OGoshi.wmv

http://judoinfo.com/video/gokyo/UkiGoshi.wmv

take a look at some of those if you have the times

the key to a throw.. as we teach in judo .. is to always offbalance your opponent.. if not you are just walking into something

get low.. your belt under his is generally a good idea.. or your hips under his hips if no belt..

no space allowed.. keep your bodies tight

when you step in on your first step.. stay on the balls of your feet and keep your foot facing directly forward until you pick up your back foot.. then pivot and 'corkscrew' down to get low

once you start the pulling or off balancing do not stop.. get them moving and keep them moving..

make sure your hip is out enough so you can rotate them over it..

snap your legs to throw..

rotate your right shoulder towards your left knee..

you might have heard that before.. you might not have anyway i hope some of it helps..

im a big fan of this thread.. keep it going!!!!
 
I"m glad you are a fan of my thread : o )
we use hips as the general guide
we have a belt system but we don't wear belts
I'm going to work throws, but I think regular takedowns or slams would work better for me then a throw
what's kind of odd is I have a tendency to try for a smooth finesse takedown
and I'm like 265 lbs...
my instuctor often questions his sanity I imagine
I am an oddity in all things combative...
training tomarrow
looking forward to it
oh and today (Monday) I lifted weight again
been awhile there
and worked the bag and some footwork
 
it was quite similar to the Koshi Guruma
I think that was basically it
on the few occations I got it right the instructor would laugh and say I'd kill somebody if I did it for real
(which from him is a good thing, it's kinda like a compliment)

ok so today we did all Clinch work
except for one of us he had practice some lead roundkicks
we did Clinch Clinch Clinch
we worked on knees
pulling them backward and then rocketing a knee into them
and pulling them back spinning as if to throw them and then the knee
I think if I get to where I could spin them to the side I'd rather throw and mount then knee but I can't say for sure
he saw me throw some knees and said I'll be killing people in the Clinch
the guy I was kneeing agreed
I like the sound of this...
I had some trouble clearing the other guys arm on one varient
but pushing around their head I'm pretty solid on
I had an idea or two that the instructor actually taught us so I think I'm going to be good at this someday

and then I lifted some weight to
he said my striking was crap in the Clinch
and I said sorry
and he goes I havn't taught you striking in the Clinch yet
he wanted me to learn to get possition first
I don't know if I can get possition that proficciently but hopefully I'll improve
 
it also was a lot like Otsu somthing or other
O something
same throw but basically grip around waist instead of head
I think I am better at that one
leverage or whatever

also as a side note my instructor is going to have me watch his daughter for him on Fridays while he is at work
that kicks ass
the trust he puts in me means a lot to me

and, I can have her watch my technique as I work the bag....
 
thats awesome.. any chance of you posting up some vids..

im gonna work on that now that i have some time.. i have footage of myself from a few diff. tourneys that i might post up..

i might also start posting some simple self defense moves or judo throws/chokes for people to review

great thread!!! keep it up

yeah koshi guruma and o goshi are the 2 most basic hip throws out there so i was hoping that looking at them would help out a bit.

i would def like to practice more work in a clinch. normally in judo if i get real close and its almost like a clinch i am very very effective and normally perform some type of suplex or leg pick and get a big score..

thats really cool you have a good relationship with your instructor..

good luck
 
yah actually I was friends with another student of his for almost a decade I'd say and he invited him over one day and we got along
then one day he brought his daughter over and she seemed to like us so he brought her around more often
and I'm HIGHLY protective of people in general but especially a little girl so when we were in public he saw how I looked after her and I guess he just decided he trusted me
I may get to put some videos up but I am not sure
the instructor wants to record our sparring sessions in general anyway
and I have been wanting to rub my hammer curl in the face of some people at another forum that called me a liar...
I'm looking forward to training tomarrow
 
keep it up.. ill try to get some vids going asap..call me out on it if i start slacking..

we went over a really cool choke last nite that is pretty easy to set up when someone tries to pass your 'gaurd' by throwing one leg over and coming in for a side body..

it is also easy to set up if you are trying a scissor type sweep from teh guard

also leads into an easy armbar if you get the guy flattened out.
 
sounds like a Triangle Choke

ok for Thursdays class the instructor didn't show up, he had us practice things he had already shown us, only this time he had us pick what we practiced
I practiced some simple punch combinations (my cross is such shit...)
a friend worked lead round kicks
and another friend worked the same punch combination as I did I believe
we thought about doing some Clinch work but we stuck to very basic stuff instead
 
we are going to consider point sparring as well
I am worried tho, will that slow me down for full contact training
or will it not hinder me
anyone who has done both I'm wondering
 
Kane Fan said:
we are going to consider point sparring as well
I am worried tho, will that slow me down for full contact training
or will it not hinder me
anyone who has done both I'm wondering
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Point Sparring IMO creates VERY bad habbits .

to the Extent that I think that a person would be FAR better off JUST doing Drills and Forms and Padwork than doing ANY sparring at all if Point Sparring were their Only Option .


Why ?

Because you NEVER learn to deal with INERTIA in a Fight ! This is one of the most Important Concepts in Fighting ! it also makes you learn bad habits about Transitioning fromn Striking to Grappling .
 
that's what I was worried about
bad habbits in general
but we are going to do regular sparring as well so hopefully that will counterbalance it
I don't want it to slow down my regular training but I do want to do it as well

anyway we thankfully had a class Saturday
I was glad about that
we did some quick combinations for warmup and then did some simple groundtraining
during the combinations my instructor expressed the belief I may knock people out at some point (that sounds promising)
we did another throw from the Clinch that went a lot better for me then either of the Hip throw varients I tried
you step around like for the hip throws but it's an arm throw
he said it was a Greco throw but Judo probubly has something very similar
I seemed to learn it well enough
pickedup rather quickly on it

so that was awsome
after the throw if I can keep hold of the arm I think I could work an armbar from it
but the instructor said he thinks I'm better off getting on them for GnP
 
Kane Fan said:
we are going to consider point sparring as well
I am worried tho, will that slow me down for full contact training
or will it not hinder me
anyone who has done both I'm wondering
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it will help.

it will make you faster and help your timing.

it will also help in that you will get a lot of practice trying to avoid getting hit even once....

so long as your not just point fighting it will help.

use it to help suppliment your game
 
Kane Fan said:
we did another throw from the Clinch that went a lot better for me then either of the Hip throw varients I tried
you step around like for the hip throws but it's an arm throw
he said it was a Greco throw but Judo probubly has something very similar
I seemed to learn it well enough
pickedup rather quickly on it

so that was awsome
after the throw if I can keep hold of the arm I think I could work an armbar from it
but the instructor said he thinks I'm better off getting on them for GnP
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yeah in practice holding the arm and going for the bar looks cool and is real fast but when you actually pull off a throw against a resisting person and you had to really fight to get it then more often then not going right to the ground has a higher % chance of being effective.

how did the arm aid the throw was it like this:
http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ipponseoi.htm
 
that was pretty m uch the throw except he had me drop to my knees and lean forward instead of the backwards hipthrust up thing
 
well that sucked
no class today but I did my usual drilling
punch combo's and stuff
last saturday we did some grapple work and I picked a guy up and set him in my guard
the instructor thought that was funny but said I shouldn't get used to doing it that way in case I fought heavier people
 
ok last Saturday (so 3 days ago I think) I had some training so that was good
instructor feels we are moving along suprisingly well on the ground, but really badly at striking (I really expected it to go the other way and so did he)
when we were doing single leg takedowns I found that I can pretty easily roll the other person and get to my feet or to top possition if I continue the roll
I'm a lil suprised by this but I think I may be solid on the ground soon...
freaky
my big problem is that I shy away from contact even in light sparring sessions (to the face) my friend thinks it's just because I wear glasses
I personally think I'm a punkass bitch..
but I like his explination better
any idea how long this usually takes to go away...
 
ok trained thursday
then again thursday
then saturday
the second class thursday was as a throw/takedown dummy for a friend
he was going to do a tournament saturday and he wanted practice doing takedowns on someone his size
his instructor is a lot like my instructor
his takedowns went pretty cool
we rolled some and he tapped me out a lot but I think I did ok for someone with no submission experience (and rather little training)
I went for a damned collar choke and didn't X my hands I left them straight, couldn't figure out why it wasn't working...
I was in his guard and picked him up a few inches and slammed him on his shoulders twice that was pretty cool
I also rolled him so I was in top possition (I thought that was awsome no one said anything)
he did say that I did a lot of stuff he'd be dealing with at the tournament so I think that's pretty cool
the instructor asked me if I wanted to compete on Saturday :P
not because I'm good or anything it was a joke cus my friend got his knee hurt
so I dont' even know if he got any use out of the training
he didn't call to tell me how his knee is, that jackass
 
I trained again the saturday after that thursday
and this past saturday I trained
I did a lot better sparring this past time
I caught someone who normally dances around me with a 4 punch combo
it was a sloppy combo, and all 4 punches where hooks
but normally I'm lucky to hit him once if he isn't coming in towards me so, I'll take it

and normally when I hit him he backs off to recover and I usually let him, this last time I moved in on him whenever he went to recover, boy that helped a lot
not sure why it took me like 2 or 3 months to do that but now that I started it helped a lot
also my blocking has worked a lot better
I also bolwed him over when I caught him once, so that was a nice charge
trying to think if anything else cool happend
instructor let me try some low kick work and said it looked alright
so that is good
 
you seem to be getting good instruction and covering the all the basics of standing and ground work.

keep at it.. just think where you were a few months ago and how you have progressed since then..

good luck!
 
my biggest problem is still the whole flinching thing
pisses me off
I really think that after I get past that, I'll be a danger..
to others
now I'm a danger to myself AND others I want to drop that myself part
 
thats not a bad thing to have that as your biggest problem! that will go away w/ time if you like doing this and that seems obvious. it would be a lot worse to say i keep getting choked or swept or subbed or had some serious technical issues to correct.
 
Hey im gonna start a log too..

ill just post up what techniques we went over and link pictures and maybe vids.. if i ever stop being lazy i will start a free video series of my own.. like i said if i ever..
 
Judo Tom said:
thats not a bad thing to have that as your biggest problem! that will go away w/ time if you like doing this and that seems obvious. it would be a lot worse to say i keep getting choked or swept or subbed or had some serious technical issues to correct.
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well I am weak on subs but we devoted the entire first 3 months to striking with just some breif grappling things covered so I don't really consider it a weakness yet
after we work that smore I'll see
so I guess it would be better to say my biggest STRIKER problem is the flinching
and I'm not 100% on this but I may have glass legs
I havn't taken any low kicks yet
but I'm sure I don't have a glass jaw so that's one bonus
 
IMO that makes sense especially for a big guy like yourself.. start with striking.. then do clinch work then work a ground gam

have you worked on take down defense?

what position do you normally end up in when transitioning from standing to matwork?
 
we don't have Mats so we havn't done takedowns yet we start on the ground
we are doing all crossbody work right now
I actually havn't done any takedown defence yet
I'm not imensly woried about it tho I"m learning the ground pretty quickly
I have a rediculously easy time rolling people out from mount to where I'm seated mount on them
especially if they shoot
I have an easy time rolling them over my head
but rolling them to the side for a reversal is really tough for me
dunno why
 
you sound exactly like 2 different training partners of mine who havean incredible amount of strength

when someone has side body use your hips arms and legs to create space and turn in towards him and pull gaurd.. take him off balance and gang up on smaller body parts to create the advantage you need. creating space is usually key to escaping side control if you are trying to get gaurd

for take down defense i can see what your saying i dont think many people will be trying hip tosses and head and arm type throws.. you should just be concerned with sneaky guys going for your ankles and legs.

i bet it would be fun to do drills where you use knees and elbows on someone shooting in for a sloppy type takedown :)

i really dont even know what it would be like for someone to start attempting to punch my face when i try a throw. luckily when you use good gripping and off balancing it shouldnt matter much.. in theory :)

im starting to think about this mma thing more and more :) i want to start exposing myself to more and more situations and arts and see what interests me most.
 
I do have a lot of strength
if someone guards me I think they will get slammed

oh and my instructor said Im' pretty good at pulling guard from side
what I do is I get the one leg around behind them and slide it accross their back which moves them a tad to make more space for my foot of the other leg
if that makes sence
 
yeah it makes a lot of sense.. look to use your leg in a similar fashion in different situations. dont place your leg on his back anchor yourself on or try to drive your leg through him.. it works great for controlling people when you are going for a sub

ahh i forget about slamming a lot of time for a big guy that is a great way to pass guard. In judo competition if you were in my guard and went for a slam as soon as my shoulders cleared the mat the match would stop and we would start from standing again. so it is only useful then as a defensive tactic not offensive.
 
no! if you are in guard or half guard or any variations of them then the 'clock' does not start once you pass gaurd to any type of mount/side body/ northsouth then you are pinning and the clock starts.

you can transfer from position to position and the clock keeps running and 25 seconds into a pin then you would win but at any tim if i get control of your one or both of your legs with both of my legs then the clock stops.. also if i get belly down the clock stops as well

also the shoulders have nothing to do with it.. both of my shoulders can be up in the air and i can still be pinned.. all you need is to be controlling me, exerting downward force, be mainly face down and be in control of your legs

25 secs is 1 point or a win
20 secs is 1/2 point ... 2 half points end a match
15 secs is 1/4 point ... 1/4 points NEVER add up
10 secs is 1/8 point ... they never add up either

also if you have 15 1/4 points from throws/pins and i have one 1/2 point then at the end of the match i would be awarded the win

in sambo you are awarded points if you get someone in your guard.. i believe.. not 100% sure but pretty sure..
 
I have some interest in Sambo and Judo
thanks for that info

so if you roll over and give up your back then you are stood up?
or do you have a different menaing for belly down
also we didn't get to train saturday only friday
we had a 2 hour breif session where w worked some subs from crossbody
 
this sucks
I don't think we are goign to train again this upcoming week and we didn't this last week
*sigh*
instructor moved like an hour away
 
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