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ALA....Yes, AGAIN!

RangerX-
Nice post and I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. There apparently is varied opinions on this topic in the medical and nutritional community so I am not sure who is right. I'd like to add the following information pulled from a medical website

Ketosis

Definition
Ketosis is the presence of excess ketones in the body.
Ketones are chemicals with a carbonyl unit (a carbon doubly bonded to an oxygen) that has two alkyl or aromatic (hydrocarbon) substituents bonded to the carbon atom. Some examples of ketones include:

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For each example, we have included some names and synonyms.


Additional Info
Ketones are a byproduct of fat metabolism (the breaking down of fat into energy). Normally, your body is efficient at removing these, but when certain enzymes are absent or damaged, the amount of ketones in the body can build up to dangerous levels.
Certain individuals are predisposed towards ketosis. For example, those with diabetes have low insulin levels and can not process glucose (sugar) for energy. Therefore, their bodies break down fat, leading to a rise in ketone levels.

Ketones can be excreted through the urine and those that are volatile (such as acetone) can be expelled through the lungs. Diabetics can be mistaken for being drunk by the odor on their breath, and acetone being expelled through the lungs can give a false positive result on early model breathalyzers. However, don't expect to escape a ticket as driving while impaired (due to low blood sugar) is still a traffic offense whether you are drunk or not.

Ketosis can lead to coma and death if untreated


MH
 
Ketones can be excreted through the urine and those that are volatile (such as acetone) can be expelled through the lungs. Diabetics can be mistaken for being drunk by the odor on their breath, and acetone being expelled through the lungs can give a false positive result on early model breathalyzers. However, don't expect to escape a ticket as driving while impaired (due to low blood sugar) is still a traffic offense whether you are drunk or not.

Ketosis can lead to coma and death if untreated

If I'm correct the above paragraph refers to ketoacidosis and not ketosis.

FHG
 
esteveze said:
me too!!!
I get sleppy and tired..and a sick felling...when I take 900mg at once..ufff
I back-up to 600mg

and

georgie24 said:
how come i get weak and lethargic when i take more than a gram of ala:confused: :confused: :bawling:

The ALA is an insulin mimicker and it shuttles the glucose out of your blood and into muslce or pushes it into the liver for storage. The feeling you have is low blood sugar.

FHG
 
I figured that it must be low blood sugar...And I get to the point to lick a candy for few seconds and that ussually makes me feel better.
 
Bros,

Great posts and info!! I am really convinced by what I have been reading about ALA, not only on the boards, but in mags, and other sites as well. Thank you for all of the feedback that you guys have on this. I will be putting in my order online for some today!!!
 
so as a type 1 diabetic does ALA make me more susceptible to keto acidosis? - cbeaks
 
cbeaks said:
so as a type 1 diabetic does ALA make me more susceptible to keto acidosis? - cbeaks


cbeaks,
ketoacidosis is associated with insulin-deficient Type 1 diabetes, in which the absence of insulin leads to a toxic build-up of blood glucose and a break-down of fat and muscle tissue. Now since ALA is a glucose disposal agent, it should clear your blood of any glucose, thereby dramatically reducing the risk of ketoacidosis.

However I'm not a doctor, so ask your doctor. I do know that ALA is administered to type 1 and 2 diabetics in Europe, and I haven't read anything about problems with ketoacidosis....

regards,

rangerx83
 
fhg43 said:

The ALA is an insulin mimicker and it shuttles the glucose out of your blood and into muslce or pushes it into the liver for storage. The feeling you have is low blood sugar.

FHG

Hmmm, I think that's half right, i.e. ALA disposes of glucose by pushing it into skeletal muscle tissue primarily. Virtually *none* is pushed in the liver, and just some makes it to the brain. This is why when using mass quantities of ALA over time, one ends up in ketosis, because liver glycogen gets depleted and not refilled.

If liver glycogen was refilled using ALA, then ketosis would not be possible, by definition.

Rangerx83
 
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