ALA....Yes, AGAIN!

[gUiLe]

This shit is just too fucking much! Yesterday, workout shoulders.
Preworkout meal....a bagel and 500mg ALA. Postworkout,
1 ultra fuel mixed with 40 grams whey isolate and 1000mg ALA.
1 hour later, check the pee with keto stick...trace. Not bad!!
Ate LOTTA carbs yesterday(like 6 slices of pizza) through out
the day. A few protien drinks and some natural peanut butter,
1 gallon of water and a total for the day of 2 grams ALA. Upon
getting up this morning, I check the ol pee sticks...negative. Ok,
I carbed up a lot with the pizza yesterday. NO problem. I then
consume a protien drink, 2 tablespoons natural peanut butter.
2 hours later, I go to the gym. I commence doing 10 min cardio
before I train back like a fucking maniac! I also bring a banana
and 500 mg cap ALA wit me. After cardio, eat the banana and
ALA followed by about a gallon of water through one of the
most fucking insane back workout I have had in a while!! Sweat
dripping all the time. I then consume an ultra fuel w 40 grams
whey isolate followed by about 10 min sitting in the sauna. I
go home and about 15 min later, time to pee on a stick. What's
the verdict???.....MODERATE!!! I have come to the conclusion that
yes, ALA IS the fucking shit. I feel you have to take in at least
3 to 4 grams a day like Rangerx said to REALLY achieve the
magic. I have been slowly upping my doses throughout the
week and the ONLY thing negative I have noticed is a funny
pain in my chest on the left side. THis has got me a tad nervous
but it feels muscular. I just went though a bunch of (precautionary) heart tests and all is fine. It's not like i have
a loss of breath at the time, just a weird kind of pain when I
move a certain way. I wonder if it has to do with water? I usually
take in 2 gallons a day.
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[gUiLe]

Whoops, I meant I took 4 grams of ALA yesterday.

 

[cbeaks]

I have been taking 2 grams per day and I am diabetic. I started getting ketosis but didn't realize it because it is the same feeling as when I have high blood sugar. I know that it is the ALA that caused it because I stopped it for a day and I came out of ketosis. Does anybody know what harm ketosis can cause the body? Doctors have always told me to check for ketones because it is bad for me to be in ketosis. I decided that I like ketosis because my appetite isn't as high while I am in ketosis so I will keep up the ALA until after my competition.
cbeaks

 

[muslhead]

Ketones are a biproduct of your body burning fat as a fuel. High concentrations of ketones for extended periods can be lethal. This is why you need to monitor it. The "extended" period is not set and is different for each person so make sure you keep a close eye on it.

 

[cbeaks]

If ketones are so harmful I am surprised that the atkins diet and others such as this aren't getting more bad press than they already are. I am not saying that you are wrong because I think my doctor would agree that it is a bad idea to go into ketosis on purpose. - cbeaks

 

[gymrat]

Ketones are a biproduct of your body burning fat as a fuel. High concentrations of ketones for extended periods can be lethal. This is why you need to monitor it. The "extended" period is not set and is different for each person so make sure you keep a close eye on it.

Never heard that before. Where did you get that info?

 

[muslhead]

Gymrat
Not sure which part of my comment you are questioning but it is common knowledge that ketones are a biproduct of burning fat (if this is your question do a search on the internet of "burning fat ketones" and you will find a plethora of info.
Additionally you will find within the search that ketones are waste and toxic. What isn't "known" since it is different for each person is the toxicity level. For a short period of time you can expect to see little impact but if in ketosis for a long time there is the potential of long term damage to the kidney, liver and even death.
MH

 

[gUiLe]

For a short period of time you can expect to see little impact but if in ketosis for a long time there is the potential of long term damage to the kidney, liver and even death.
MH

Oh noo!! I don't wanna die!!

 

[gymrat]

Gymrat
Not sure which part of my comment you are questioning but it is common knowledge that ketones are a biproduct of burning fat (if this is your question do a search on the internet of "burning fat ketones" and you will find a plethora of info.
Additionally you will find within the search that ketones are waste and toxic. What isn't "known" since it is different for each person is the toxicity level. For a short period of time you can expect to see little impact but if in ketosis for a long time there is the potential of long term damage to the kidney, liver and even death.
MH

I was unaware of that info, thanks.

 

[rangerx83]

Gymrat
Not sure which part of my comment you are questioning but it is common knowledge that ketones are a biproduct of burning fat (if this is your question do a search on the internet of "burning fat ketones" and you will find a plethora of info.
Additionally you will find within the search that ketones are waste and toxic. What isn't "known" since it is different for each person is the toxicity level. For a short period of time you can expect to see little impact but if in ketosis for a long time there is the potential of long term damage to the kidney, liver and even death.
MH

Sorry bro,
but your information is incorrect. You've confused dietary ketosis and ketoacidosis. The first is perfectly safe, while the second is a dangerous condition that occurs in type 1 diabetic.

Please do some more reasearch yourself. Get Lyle MacDonald book the ketogenic diet, and learn. Also ketones are NOT a waste product, they are an energy source. It is what the brain uses as a source of energy if glucose levels are low. Eskimos eat whale blubber and other fats 24/7 and are in a perpetual ketogenic state their entire life. Epileptic children are given a ketogenic diet because it severely cuts down their seizures. It has been found to be perfectly safe.

Do a simple internet search for ketoacidosis and you'll come up with many examples which refute your statements above, like this:

What is ketosis? Is it dangerous to be in ketosis?

Being in ketosis means your body has burned a large amount of fat in response to the fact that it didn't have sufficient glucose available for energy needs. Under everyday conditions, the carbohydrates you eat are converted to glucose, which is the body's primary source of energy. Whenever your intake of carbohydrates is limited to a certain range, for a long enough period of time, you'll reach a point where your body draws on its alternate energy system, fat stores, for fuel.

This condition called dietary ketosis, means your body burns fat and turns it into a source of fuel called ketones. Ketones are produced whenever body fat is burned. When you burn a larger amount of fat than is immediately needed for energy, the excess ketones are discarded in the urine.

Dietary ketosis is among the most maligned and misunderstood concepts in nutrition because it is often confused with ketoacidosis, which is a life-threatening condition most often associated with uncontrolled insulin-deficient Type 1 diabetes. In the Type 1 diabetic, the absence of
insulin leads to a toxic build-up of blood glucose and an extreme break-down of fat and muscle tissue. This condition doesn't occur in individuals who have even a small amount of insulin, whether from natural production or artificially administered.

Dietary ketosis, however, is a natural adjustment to the body's reduced intake of carbohydrates as the body shifts its primary source of energy from carbohydrates to stored fat. The presence of insulin keeps ketone production in check so that a mild, beneficial ketosis is achieved. Blood
glucose levels are stabilized within a normal range and there is no break-down of healthy muscle tissue.

The most sensitive tests of ketosis ("NMR" and "blood ketone level") show that everyone is in some degree of ketosis every day, particularly after not eating overnight and after exercising. Ketosis is the body's survival system. It is not an abnormality nor does it present any medical danger, except to a Type I insulin-dependent diabetic. The body functions naturally and effectively while in a state of dietary ketosis.

Some of the benefits many people experience while in a state of dietary ketosis for intentional weight loss may include rapid weight loss, decreased hunger and cravings, improved mood, increased energy and, as long as protein intake is adequate, protection of lean muscle mass.

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