ALA for athletes

[luto199]

Nandi12, One thing you have to remember is that these studies more than likely did not use 2000-3000mg of ALA.

Ahhh, kick ass point Quadsweep. If you go to GNC or local vitamin shop they will usually tell you to only take a handfull of ALA pills each day. Thats why i would assume these scientists are only testing with low amounts of ALA. If you read what people's results on this board you will hear a lot of"when i upped my ALA dosage to 3000mg a day the fat flew off", so maybe science is just slacking behind again and we need some new tests before anyhting is conclusive.
As for saying "X amount of people that are not insulin resistant....." I don't think any of us know how many people are. Over half of americans are obese (wasn't that the latest bit of "fat people" news?) so that makes me think its more people than you think.

 

[quartermiler]

Did I say you cut and paste? No i didnt, i said thats what it seems like because it is so precise... and I wasnt asking for me either... I undertstood what you were saying but it looked like the person who originally started this post had difficulty understanding what you were saying. Not everyone here is as "educated" as you, and may not understand all that Anatomy and physiology mumbo jumbo.

 

[Quadsweep]

Ahhh, kick ass point Quadsweep. If you go to GNC or local vitamin shop they will usually tell you to only take a handfull of ALA pills each day. Thats why i would assume these scientists are only testing with low amounts of ALA. If you read what people's results on this board you will hear a lot of"when i upped my ALA dosage to 3000mg a day the fat flew off", so maybe science is just slacking behind again and we need some new tests before anyhting is conclusive.
As for saying "X amount of people that are not insulin resistant....." I don't think any of us know how many people are. Over half of americans are obese (wasn't that the latest bit of "fat people" news?) so that makes me think its more people than you think.

I think the number I read was Obesity is up 700% in the US and Type 2 adult onset diabetes is up 400% in the last 10 years. It is thought to be linked to fat free foods. The removal of fat caused the sugar in these foods to be digested much more quickly since fat is difficult to break down. This increased absorption rate causes larger blood sugar spikes which in turn causes larger insulin secretion by the pancreas. Over time this causes insulin insensitivity which can lead to Type 2 adult onset diabetes.

Quad

 

[nautica]

I think we should all chip in and buy Nandi a bottle of ALA so he can try it. Then he would have is own anecdotal evidence.

Nautica

 

[nandi12]

I think we should all chip in and buy Nandi a bottle of ALA so he can try it. Then he would have is own anecdotal evidence.

Been there, done that, nautica. Waste of money. As for the Zucker rats, the point was to keep as many variables controlled as possible. The insulin sensitive Zucker rats showed no benefit from ALA. I'm still waiting for you to post the study showing ALA has any benefit in insulin sensitive people, Macro.

This discussion has essentially turned into science arguing against religion. The high priests tell the masses to worship the god of ALA and everyone bows and scrapes accordingly. I find debating science much more rewarding than debating religion. The latter is always a lose-lose situation.

As for the doses Quadsweep, read the abstract. How much do you weigh? The rats were given 30mg/kg/BW/day. If you weigh 100kg, or 220lb, that is 3000mg equivalent.

It is true that AAS can cause insulin resistance. What is the mechanism for this? In the studies I have read it is at the level of glycogen synthase, an enzyme ALA has never been shown to increase. Obesity is the biggest risk factor for NIDDM. I don't see too many morbidly obese guys at the squat rack at my gym.

Like I said, its religion vs. science. Utterly pointless.

 

[luto199]

it's just that i don't think the science is conclusive enough yet to make any kind of decision.
Nandi, mind giving us a little info about yourself. Since your posting against ALA you are prob now the least popular person here, maybe some credentials behind your name will get you some respect here.
I'll go look again but i thought i have read some studies that are done on non diabetic rats.

 

[nandi12]

maybe some credentials behind your name will get you some respect here.

Do you seriously think I care about gaining your respect, luto? I don't even know you. If you want to learn something by reading my posts and contrasting my ideas with those of other people that is fine. I post because writing forces me to clarify my thoughts and put together a coherent picture of what is going on. ( That and making macro resort to his big, supersize font; that always makes my day). I do this for my own benefit. It is purely selfish. It is like sitting down and preparing for a presentation, trying to anticipate responses.

 

[luto199]

www.catie.ca/pdf/alpha-lipoic.pdf
Here check this out, it talks about ALA to treat "Lipidystrophy" in people that have HIV, but NOT diabetics. Says MANY people experienced decreased insulin sensitivity. It then talks about another study with diabetic people, using 6mg-1.6g a day saying they had improved insulin sensitivity.
P.S. Search for thiotic acid, not just ALA when doing research on ALA.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

( That and making macro resort to his big, supersize font; that always makes my day).

btw- dont take credit for "supersizing" unless it was for you.. which it wasn't.

btw2- will get back to you.. but am a little busy right now.. just have time for quips

 

[luto199]

Do you seriously think I care about gaining your respect

Well hey, i dont give a shit about you either, but it would be nice to know if your a college dropout or some acclaimed doctor with a PHD in biology, or what.