ALA for athletes

[swimmar]

Is there proof that creatine will increase my IQ, make me rich, and make me more attractive to women? No. To quote once again swimmar's logic: "the absence of proof of a statement does not lead to the statement being false". So should I assume creatine may actually do these things until proven otherwise? I don't think so. That is not how science works.

No, of course you shouldn't assume that creatine does those things. I never said the opposite of my statement, which would be "The absence of proof of a statement does lead to the statement's truth." The thing is, you can't assume that an unproven thing is true or not. But you did state that ALA did decrease insulin levels. No "maybe it will"s or "assuming this is true"s or any other qualifications.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

nandi..
do you really want to compare insulin sensitive lean zucker rats with the general population.. you will find that there is little similarity...

% of pop with some form of insulin resistance MUCH higher than you indicate.. especially among the AS using population.. as well as BC for women

will discuss this more fully with you (with studies, which while they do have value are often micro as opposed to macro oriented) when have time..

 

[Quadsweep]

Re: Re: Re: ALA for athletes

Hm... call me crazy, but I always thought that ketones were generated when the liver was depleted of glycogen. NOT when every single drop of glucose in your system is gone.

And then Ketones are turned into glycogen. So then what do you go out of ketosis? NO! ALA makes me lose BF. No doubt about it. Nandi12, One thing you have to remember is that these studies more than likely did not use 2000-3000mg of ALA. A high Dose changes things often in many drugs. ALA at this dose mimics Insulin. It often puts me in hypoglycemia as a matter of fact.

Quad

 

[serge]

ALA, among other things, will give FALSE POSITIVES with sodium nitroprusside (the reagent in ketostix)

thanx macro, i was trying to explain that to the author of this thread, but he just would not hear it

 

[swimmar]

Another good summary is at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...hts&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N

 

[swimmar]

Re: Re: Re: Re: ALA for athletes

And then Ketones are turned into glycogen. So then what do you go out of ketosis? NO! ALA makes me lose BF. No doubt about it. Nandi12, One thing you have to remember is that these studies more than likely did not use 2000-3000mg of ALA. A high Dose changes things often in many drugs. ALA at this dose mimics Insulin. It often puts me in hypoglycemia as a matter of fact.

Quad

I did not know that ketones were converted to glycogen... I've looked around, but can't find anything that supports that. Should go re-read that Keto book.

 

[swimmar]

ALA, among other things, will give FALSE POSITIVES with sodium nitroprusside (the reagent in ketostix)

Sweet, I learn something new everyday. Thanks.

 

[swimmar]

Macro, could you detail where you got the information that ALA will react with sodium nitroprusside? Thanks. I've looked around and can't find anything.

 

[Quadsweep]

And then Ketones are turned into glycogen. So then what do you go out of ketosis? NO! ALA makes me lose BF. No doubt about it. Nandi12, One thing you have to remember is that these studies more than likely did not use 2000-3000mg of ALA. A high Dose changes things often in many drugs. ALA at this dose mimics Insulin. It often puts me in hypoglycemia as a matter of fact.

Quad
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I did not know that ketones were converted to glycogen... I've looked around, but can't find anything that supports that. Should go re-read that Keto book.

I want to correct myself. Ketones do not convert to glycogen they are an alternative fuel source. but ALA does lower insulin insensitivity and it does mimic insulin at high doses.

 

[swimmar]

I want to correct myself. Ketones do not convert to glycogen they are an alternative fuel source. but ALA does lower insulin insensitivity and it does mimic insulin at high doses.

That's what I thought.