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About to finish first cycle

augor

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Hey guys
About to finish up my first cycle in 3 weeks.
I'm on TRT of 125 'mg test cyp a week.
For my cycle it's been bumped up to 450 a week (2x225)

Now I've read alot about how to proceed after the cycle, in terms of cutting.
Some are saying that after the last shot to not cut back too much on calories while my body is "recovering"
Am I really recovering though ? since I will be droppin back to my TRT dose , there isn't he issue of "if" my levels will recover.

What I though about doing is this
For weeks 11 and 12 of my cycle start reducing calories, and take advantage of the high metabolism the gear gives me, and try to lose some of the weight, then after my last shot, decrease intensity of the weights, and increase cardio

Does this sound at all ok?
If not I'd be happy to be educated. Lol

Thanx
 
I would run that route bud, I am in a similar boat with you as im just running test and am lowering the calories but keeping clean protein coming in to recover at the end of my cycle while the 2 weeks after my last pin are in effect. Just making sure that I take in just the right amount to keep the muscle that I have on as you know just havin muscle on your body burns calories. Kind of balance it but at the end of the cycle slacking off on the diet is a Huge no no as you want to finish strong. My 2 cents (in a nut shell: slowly lower but don't go hard)
 
cool
thanx for the reply

i just wanna make sure i do it right, wanna keep the muscle and lose the fat as well.

i`ve been lucky though my cycle, i`ve actually been able to do the one thing thats very hard to do, i`ve put on some size, while burning off some fat too
 
That pic was just before the cycle
45 hrs old
5"9
200lbs
Body fat is probably about 15% at the moment
 
Wondering something else today...

I know in regular cycles, 12 weeks is the norm
But with my being on TRT , would it matter if I extended it to 14 weeks?
If I'm still making progress?

Or just give it up, enjoy what I've gained. Cause there's always next time
 
i dont think extending it 2 more weeks would hurt...
as far as the lifting goes, one should always seek progression, then when progress either slows noticably, or you reach your goals a deload is warranted... you can either take a week or two off, or just lower the weights and start to work back up again... ive done it both ways...
what did your bloodwork leave your test levels at on the trt dose? its a lower end dose, so when the cycle ends you might want to find that out... depending on how much you gain, it may or may not be enough to keep your size up...
ive been on 200mg self-trt for only 2 months now, will be going in for bloodwork this week... if my levels are super high i will probably drop down to 150/wk and then see where that leaves me in another 2 months...
up your protein a bit if you drop your carbs... i will probably never attempt to get as lean as i was in my avi again... i salute you guys on low carbs, that shit aint for me...
 
I believe that even if on HRT, you should do a PCT after a cycle.

The reason is that the HRT just puts you at a normal/high healthy level. When coming off, that dosage is actually a little less effective. Getting natty levels up (even if you don't get them back to normal) is still a good thing. Plus, there's also cortisol, estrogen, prolactin and LH issues.

I also think that's not the best time to cut. Stabilize for a few weeks, then you can cut with better results and less catabolism.
 
Definitely dont cut just as a cycle ends. probably not as big a deal if you are on trt but still let your body get used to that weight. keep lifting heavy and then slowly try to lose the fat.
 
moya said:
i agree it is not the best time to cut...
however i dont see how running a PCT will help... you are trying to increase natty levels while suppressing them at the same time?
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Because the HCG will override the suppression from the test.
 
do you have a link or mind detailing the protocal for this for me please... even when i ran cycles and came off, i had always recovered fine (did bloodwork a couple times, but admitedly not always) with very minimal PCT that i wont even discuss openly as i wouldnt suggest it to someone else, however i started out not knowing any better and was lucky so continued that way with no problems...
however... if this would keep my htpa from completely dying out on me (as when im through competing in powerlifting) i might someday try to come off, trying this would be of interest...
i had assumed that you could not bring your nattural levels up while using an ammount of gear equat to or greater than it... one reason off the top of my mind to think that was because i think it was you and needto (i may be wrong) that said the am dbol with PCT theory was bad....
but with what you are saying now, i dont see how one couldnt run dbol and hcg if the hcg would awaken their natural horomone production...\
now im just confused...
 
for me, on 125 mg trt dose a week, my levels were about 3/4 , i have no control over that amount, my doc gives me the shot each week.
no hcg either.
i`ve already thought i might have to supplement a bit more to get levels more on the higher side.
dont need a pct, i dont produce any natural test.
after my cycle i have to just get back to normal dose, and then 4 weeks after that i will be due for another blood test, and i have to have my levels back to normal at that time.

so i should wait about a month when my levels are back to regular range before i start cutting then?
 
One things for sure, I'm glad I got to do a cycle, have done so much reading about it. And hearing about gear for years, that now to have experienced it, and see for myself, it was good.
I've learned alot, and look forward to the next one where I can correct my mistakes.
I should be happy that j accomished what many say can't happen. I really did put in size and lose body fat at the same time.
But not by choice, my metabolism gets so high, that it's difficult to get enough calories to keep my body happy.
Next time I will plan better, and get past that, if I would have been able to gain more, I woulda seen more success.
But in the end for a first cycle, I'm still amazed sometimes when I look in the mirror, and I think to myself, wow, that's really me with the nice looking arms?
It's a good feeling
 
I'm still learning alot, so forgive me if this sounds ignorant.

Now during regular PCT the main thing is body getting natural test to start up and get back to normal levels correct ?
So with me being on TRT , it's not quite the same right? My levels will go back to "normal" without issue.
So is my time off of cycle mainly for my body to recover from the stress that gear does to it?

I ask this cause I read slot of guys saying after the last shot , keep the intensity up in the gym, but turn down the volume.
And to actually increase calories.
Now I'm wondering, wouldn't an increase of calories during recovery result in more fat gain?
Cause the test levels will be lower, and in my case for sure metabolism will drop.
and I also read alot saying wait a couple months after cycle to start cutting.

Or am I missing more info there.

Also thought about this...
My cycle that's about to end in 2 weeks of 450mg test a week.
And my normal TRT dose is 125mg a week ( this dose doesn't put me at the top of the range by the way)
What if I were to cruise as guys call it , at 250 or maybe even just 200, would I be able to lower calories , increase cardio and successfully lose body fat and see minimal loss of muscle mass ?

What ha
 
i`ll give it a go and see how it feels, i also think lowering the dose slower will help the sudden crash of levels
 
depends on age, bf%, and what supps/dosage you will be on.
 
augor said:
what does everyone think an acceptable amount of weight to lose a week is?
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around 1/4 lb per wk grab some NTBM "GEAR" Take 4 caps, 3 times a day,this will help preserve muscle tissue.
 
1/4 lb a week, really? that seems low
as for what body fat % i`m at now, not sure, if i were to guess i`d say 15% right now
i`m on trt, and decided to try the cruise method, 250mg test cyp a week ( normal dose is 125mg a week from the doc) but i know that dose only puts me slightly above mid range , mid range for a guy my age that is , dont know bout elsewhere, but here they have ranges set based on age
 
wait did you mean how much weight you can lose during pct or just while cutting??? also what are your stats? bf% and cycle play a big part in the amount of FAT you can lose without losing muscle
 
i`m on trt , so i wont be doing a pct
just finished a 10 week cycle of test cyp 500mg a week
the last 2 weeks doing 250mg a week normal trt dose is 125mg
was thinking if i do a cruise of 250mg, this will make it alittle easier, to cut some and hold onto muscle as well.
currently about 15% body fat
 
Nelson Montana said:
I believe that even if on HRT, you should do a PCT after a cycle.

The reason is that the HRT just puts you at a normal/high healthy level. When coming off, that dosage is actually a little less effective. Getting natty levels up (even if you don't get them back to normal) is still a good thing. Plus, there's also cortisol, estrogen, prolactin and LH issues.

I also think that's not the best time to cut. Stabilize for a few weeks, then you can cut with better results and less catabolism.
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Def agree that now is not the time to cut....
 
5 weks of dropping down to 250 a week, must say i think i feel better on this amount.
now im gonna start increasing cardio and lose some fat
 
hey guys , off topic of my original post but.....
how do you know if your estrogen has gone too low from arimidex?
i know the usual stuff , is supposed to be similar to low test , lower sex drive and such.

i`ve read it affects the joints as well, at the moment, i`m not suffering from lower sex drive or dry oragasms as some say, but i find i`m achy , both hands and wrists are sore, and neck.

i stopped taking arimidex 5 days ago, have no idea how long it takes for estrogen to climb back to normal numbers, that probably is a person specific thing.

any thoughts?

thanx
 
what was your dosage of test and arimidex?
 
when i was on cycle 500 mg test a week, i was taking .5 arimidex every 3 days, and it was working great, now im cruising at 250mg a week,
 
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