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A warning about androgen overload

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OLDER_BIG_J

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hey bro's,
just thought i'd post an experience i'm currently going through so that some of you can avoid it. i was taking 100mg of prop eod. i decided to put on some size so i started 100mg of drol, 100mg of prop, 100mg of tren, 100mg of masteron per day. well, my appetite went straight into the shitter. i can't even look at food. my strength went thru the roof but what's the point if i lose weight. i've got a pro telling me that i've got androgen flu. i feel like shit, can't sleep, so i'm gonna back off to 50mg per day of drol and 100mg per day of prop. i'll keep you posted. be careful and listen to your bodies. if any of you guys have questions you want answered by an ifbb pro then just post em up. this guy is real down to earth...
 
Anyone cuold have told you that a mix of 100mg tren and 100mg anadrol daily is going to make you feel like total shit.

Think about it dude. 400mg of gear daily is 2800 mg a week. What the hell are you doing running so much gear?
 
Hopefully you'll drop the tren or abombs. I am no expert but dang, 100 mg of tren/day is pretty high right? Are you an experienced juicer or a super heavy weight BB which would (by proxy) make you an experienced juicer? A lot of guys do that amount of abombs and prop but that seems like a pretty high number on the tren. How big are you?
 
If I did that dose and mix, my heart would literally explode.
 
Androgen flu is a gym-rat myth. An experienced juicer means he has taken loads of gear, not that he is a scientist. Sorry.

I am currently on:

Test P 100mg/day
Tren A 100mg/day
Mast 100mg/day
Test C 750mg/wk
Dbol 30mg/day
Halo 20mg/day

I am 245 @ 5'11 and about 15% BF. I am a powerlifter, and have a meet in 2 weeks. We take more at the end of our cycles, but this is by far a tame cycle from my viewpoint. I know some SHW's that take 2x that much, and these are elite level lifters squatting 1,000+.

Let me say if you don't compete then you shouldn't be using more than what a Dr prescribes IMO. Maybe 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and a few times a year MAX. Gear is not about vanity or lifting a lot for your gym. It is best saved for the platform, stage, or field. If you take it for totally ripped abz of so you can curl the 70's while you look at your abercrombie & fitch style six pack through your Under Armour tshirt then..... well, I will hold my tounge.
 
drop the anadrol...
rest of cycle aint a big deal....
 
Drol 100mg & Tren 100mg is a big progestin hit. Immediate androgen/progesterone overload. Back down to EOD & throw in an some arimidex @.5mg EOD & dostinex @ 2.5mg twice weekly.
 
FunFun said:
Doctors prescribe 500 mg per week??? Are you serious?
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You misunderstood. He said unless you compete, you shouldn't do more than a prescribed dose (period. pause. begin new sentence.) Maybe a dose of up to 500mg/week would be acceptable, but not more (period. end two seperate complete thoughts). Get it?
 
ryno9000 said:
You misunderstood. He said unless you compete, you shouldn't do more than a prescribed dose (period. pause. begin new sentence.) Maybe a dose of up to 500mg/week would be acceptable, but not more (period. end two seperate complete thoughts). Get it?
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lol. I got it, it didnt seem that hard to read. :chomp:
 
You got everything but Draino in that cycle.... too much shit.
Doses too high. Your liver/kidneys are going to go on strike!
This is how people end up in the hospital.
That's an extremely toxic mix you are running.
Tren, Halo and Drol together ???? Insanity, IMO. :evil::mix:
 
halfcenturian said:
You got everything but Draino in that cycle.... too much shit.
Doses too high. Your liver/kidneys are going to go on strike!
This is how people end up in the hospital.
That's an extremely toxic mix you are running.
Tren, Halo and Drol together ???? Insanity, IMO. :evil::mix:
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Draino is great for cutting, it really cleans you out. It can also be used for bulking, because really it all comes down to diet:p
 
ryno9000 said:
You misunderstood. He said unless you compete, you shouldn't do more than a prescribed dose (period. pause. begin new sentence.) Maybe a dose of up to 500mg/week would be acceptable, but not more (period. end two seperate complete thoughts). Get it?
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It was a tongue in cheek comment, but since you've brought it up again, this is what he wrote:

"Let me say if you don't compete then you shouldn't be using more than what a Dr prescribes IMO. Maybe 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and a few times a year MAX"

That's clearly an indication that a Doctor would prescribe 500 mg per week. It really helps to phrase thoughts correctly. That way everyone will get it. Get it?
 
FunFun said:
It was a tongue in cheek comment, but since you've brought it up again, this is what he wrote:

"Let me say if you don't compete then you shouldn't be using more than what a Dr prescribes IMO. Maybe 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and a few times a year MAX"

That's clearly an indication that a Doctor would prescribe 500 mg per week. It really helps to phrase thoughts correctly. That way everyone will get it. Get it?
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Why dont you two dipsh1ts let him speak for himself instead of arguing what he said and what he meant?

Its fuckin pointless.
 
KD1 said:
Why dont you two dipsh1ts let him speak for himself instead of arguing what he said and what he meant?

Its fuckin pointless.
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Your reply is "fuckin pointless" here.

If you concentrate hard you may notice that my original comment was to the poster of that reply himself - al420, not ryno9000.

OK dipsh1t?
 
Lol at this thread. What's wrong with a 6 pack? A good midsection is not easy to achieve..takes work. Just like powerlifting. Can't give much cycle advice...sounds like a bit much...


Haha this thread was entertaining
 
Noting is wrong with a 6-pack. I prefer Guiness. Squatting a grand and eating chik and brok 6x a day take a wolrd of difference to achieve. One is for vanity, and the other for history!

I was saying a HRT does is all you need, or you can do 500mg for a 8-12 week period and run a well planned PCT, rinse and repeat a few times a year.
 
FunFun said:
Your reply is "fuckin pointless" here.

If you concentrate hard you may notice that my original comment was to the poster of that reply himself - al420, not ryno9000.

OK dipsh1t?
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Take it easy there.

We play nice in AAS.





If you guys can't discuss something without getting sand in your cracks, then don't participate in the thread.


KD1, you started it and funfun's reply was warranted. Don't start crap.
 
wow, never expected such a response. i'm no newbie. been coming to elite longer than most of you guys. i started back in 97 when you didn't even need to log in. been doin this a long time. i've done high doses before just not that many different types of androgens. want to do a show mid next year. currently right at 252lbs and 12.5% 6'1". i want to compete at 265-270. so, with that said, any other bodybuilders should see the long road of eating, trainin, and gear that's going to be involved.
 
I have experienced test-flu in my first cycle 500 mg test enan per week.

Now nada in the second one.

Funny thing is I remember Milos Sarcev saying that one guy was injections 100cc of test in one day. He was also using 30+ IU of GH but not exactly sure about the second one.
He told Milos that he was a living proof steroids cant kill you, LOL.

I believe he should be remembered as a living proof of retardism
 
Rage-Of-Sparta said:
if you want to compete at 265-270 then you need to weigh
close too 300lbs b4 you diet down
good luck with that bro
eat eat eat
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You're close bro. i'm actually trying for 320 then diet down. any of you guys who have done this know how much protien that means. i literally walk around with a a gallon jug of protien all day. i eat a large breakfast, shake every 60-90 minutes, large lunch, more shakes, large dinner, more shakes. now i can only eat like this for about 6 weeks then i burn out and back off a bit. it usually coincides with my cycles of gear. when i'm on and in positive nitrogen balance i eat as much protien as my body can handle. it really is the food...
 
OLDER_BIG_J said:
hey bro's,
just thought i'd post an experience i'm currently going through so that some of you can avoid it. i was taking 100mg of prop eod. i decided to put on some size so i started 100mg of drol, 100mg of prop, 100mg of tren, 100mg of masteron per day. well, my appetite went straight into the shitter. i can't even look at food. my strength went thru the roof but what's the point if i lose weight. i've got a pro telling me that i've got androgen flu. i feel like shit, can't sleep, so i'm gonna back off to 50mg per day of drol and 100mg per day of prop. i'll keep you posted. be careful and listen to your bodies. if any of you guys have questions you want answered by an ifbb pro then just post em up. this guy is real down to earth...
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If you have anorexia, make sure that your liver is OK.
Anorexia is frequently caused by liver dysfunction.
Just a precaution. The actual risk is probably very low.
 
OLDER_BIG_J said:
You're close bro. i'm actually trying for 320 then diet down. any of you guys who have done this know how much protien that means. i literally walk around with a a gallon jug of protien all day. i eat a large breakfast, shake every 60-90 minutes, large lunch, more shakes, large dinner, more shakes. now i can only eat like this for about 6 weeks then i burn out and back off a bit. it usually coincides with my cycles of gear. when i'm on and in positive nitrogen balance i eat as much protien as my body can handle. it really is the food...
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And who said bodybuilding wasn't fun.
 
ok guys. thought i'd give an update, dropped everything for 2 weeks now. actually fell better than i thought i would. appetite is back to normal. weight is at 240 and holding for now. staying clean for one more week. then going with this:
weeks 1-4 40mg dbol per day
weeks 1-6 test e 750mg.
weeks 4-10 50 mg winnie per day
weeks 6-12 600mg eq per week
weeks 10-16 40-60mg anavar per day.
4 weeks off and then repeat, depending on previous results. i'll keep you guys posted. i might even post some pics...
 
OLDER_BIG_J said:
ok guys. thought i'd give an update, dropped everything for 2 weeks now. actually fell better than i thought i would. appetite is back to normal. weight is at 240 and holding for now. staying clean for one more week. then going with this:
weeks 1-4 40mg dbol per day
weeks 1-6 test e 750mg.
weeks 4-10 50 mg winnie per day
weeks 6-12 600mg eq per week
weeks 10-16 40-60mg anavar per day.
4 weeks off and then repeat, depending on previous results. i'll keep you guys posted. i might even post some pics...
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you should not do this at all...you are going to destroy your choleserol and liver
 
thats a weird cycle bro, needs a rethink. why drop the test after 6 weeks? EQ for only 6 weks aint gonna do shit. Way to manny orals involved - just do the d bols first 6 weeks.

PCT?
 
cobracock1979 said:
thats a weird cycle bro, needs a rethink. why drop the test after 6 weeks? EQ for only 6 weks aint gonna do shit. Way to manny orals involved - just do the d bols first 6 weeks.

PCT?
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i completel;y missed the only 6 weeks of each...good call bro
 
Ive known guys that were taking 14,000mg of testosterone a week.
the body can readily assimilate large amounts of AAS

the toxicity of the harsh drugs like drol and tren are what are killing your appetite and your energy broly.
 
Wulfgar said:
Ive known guys that were taking 14,000mg of testosterone a week.
the body can readily assimilate large amounts of AAS

the toxicity of the harsh drugs like drol and tren are what are killing your appetite and your energy broly.
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That's when you know u need help ....14,000mg a day .....wtf?LOL
Is that 2gr a day or I did the math wrong?
 
Yep, that's 2G a day. You would need some serious muscle mass to assimilate that much AAS never mind the big ass pin!
 
well, i gotta tell ya guys. i'm a little shocked. i've used that cycle with good success before. it seems for my body (i stress this is my body) any particular compound stops being effective at 6 weeks. that's why i cycle them that way. as for PCT? i've never done it. now before you guys flip out, maybe you should hear a couple of things. been doin this a long time. stayed on that cycle without coming off for 7 years (yes 7 years). got popped for trafficking in 2002 and spent 3 years in the big house. got bloodwork done inside and the only things bad were blood pressure and lipids were a little off. after 1 year inside, all of my levels were back to normal. nuts were fine. i was 34 at the time. came out and have kept dosages low and focused mainly on the food. went overboard on that last cycle attempt because i wasn't paying attention. taking 2 drol and 1cc per day didn't seem that bad. the only problem was that the 1cc was a mixture of prop,tren, and masteron. i'll probably only use test prop instead of E or C or sust from now on. if you'll notice, most of the compounds used are quickly out of the body (except the eq). if something goes bad, it's easy to clean out. if any of you guys doubt my experience or time on this board just ask mustang18. he'll tell you i been around a long time. right now, i'm lucky enough to be coached by Ian harrison. keep your eyes on flex magazine. they're doing an article on him and his new gym. you'll see me in a pic comparing biceps with him. the article should be coming out soon...
 
OLDER_BIG_J said:
well, i gotta tell ya guys. i'm a little shocked. i've used that cycle with good success before. it seems for my body (i stress this is my body) any particular compound stops being effective at 6 weeks. that's why i cycle them that way. as for PCT? i've never done it. now before you guys flip out, maybe you should hear a couple of things. been doin this a long time. stayed on that cycle without coming off for 7 years (yes 7 years). got popped for trafficking in 2002 and spent 3 years in the big house. got bloodwork done inside and the only things bad were blood pressure and lipids were a little off. after 1 year inside, all of my levels were back to normal. nuts were fine. i was 34 at the time. came out and have kept dosages low and focused mainly on the food. went overboard on that last cycle attempt because i wasn't paying attention. taking 2 drol and 1cc per day didn't seem that bad. the only problem was that the 1cc was a mixture of prop,tren, and masteron. i'll probably only use test prop instead of E or C or sust from now on. if you'll notice, most of the compounds used are quickly out of the body (except the eq). if something goes bad, it's easy to clean out. if any of you guys doubt my experience or time on this board just ask mustang18. he'll tell you i been around a long time. right now, i'm lucky enough to be coached by Ian harrison. keep your eyes on flex magazine. they're doing an article on him and his new gym. you'll see me in a pic comparing biceps with him. the article should be coming out soon...
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whatever works for ya but 6 weeks is just enough time for things to be kicking in and takin full effect (longer esters)
 
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