A question on validity

[ryno9000]

My good bros and bro-ettes, I have an itch that needs to be scratched. Around the net, in various magazines and books and from forum to forum we see a variety of information. This is fine and dandy for information that is subjective to interpretation and experience etc. However, some things are just simple facts such as:
-chemical half lives
-anabolic/androgenic ratings
-medical usages of said chemicals

The list could go on. I have seen different answers for most of these, and I know most of us on here have at least a firm grip on short vs. long esters etc., but what is THE ULTIMATE SOURCE FOR ACCURATE INFORMATION ON AAS? The short answer I believe would be medical journals. However, those are not always at our finger tips. So where do you find the best, most reliable goodies regarding this stuff? Links would be helpful for everyone.

 

[partagus]

The ultimate source for AAS information is NEEDTO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

My good bros and bro-ettes, I have an itch that needs to be scratched. Around the net, in various magazines and books and from forum to forum we see a variety of information. This is fine and dandy for information that is subjective to interpretation and experience etc. However, some things are just simple facts such as:
-chemical half lives
-anabolic/androgenic ratings
-medical usages of said chemicals

The list could go on. I have seen different answers for most of these, and I know most of us on here have at least a firm grip on short vs. long esters etc., but what is THE ULTIMATE SOURCE FOR ACCURATE INFORMATION ON AAS? The short answer I believe would be medical journals. However, those are not always at our finger tips. So where do you find the best, most reliable goodies regarding this stuff? Links would be helpful for everyone.

always here and always willing to help. Ask away

 

[2evil]

always here and always willing to help. Ask away

Do you ever sleep?

 

[needtogetaas]

Do you ever sleep?

I am the Oracle

 

[ryno9000]

Ok, a few questions just of the top o me head. Are all steroids with enthanate esters the same half life, eg test and tren e? Pretty sure the answer is yes, but Needtogetsleep should know right?

Also, what would be a medical condition that would warrant a person a prescription to Dbol? To Winstrol? To Primo?

What is the half life of Tren Acetate, and do you really need ED injects to keep stable or will eod actually keep stable levels?

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok, a few questions just of the top o me head. Are all steroids with enthanate esters the same half life, eg test and tren e? Pretty sure the answer is yes, but Needtogetsleep should know right?

Also, what would be a medical condition that would warrant a person a prescription to Dbol? To Winstrol? To Primo?

What is the half life of Tren Acetate, and do you really need ED injects to keep stable or will eod actually keep stable levels?

I am bored out of my gored so here goes.

Are all steroids with enthanate esters the same half life?
Remember that the only thing the ester does is change the rate of release of the drug into the blood stream and absolutley does not change the drug itself.

its so late I will just so no there is a lot more to esters then (each ester does the same thing to each aas).


hat would be a medical condition that would warrant a person a prescription to Dbol? To Winstrol? To Primo?

Primo aids
Winstrol used in the treatment of hereditary angioedema, which causes episodes of swelling of the face, extremities, genitals, bowel wall, and throat. Stanozolol may decrease the frequency and severity of these attacks

Dbol the treatment of corneal ulcers,treatment of conditions such as interstitial-pituitary insufficiency, chronic adrenocortical insufficiency, thyrotoxicosis, diabetic angiopathies (retinopathy and nephropathy), steroidal diabetes, and pituitary,and dwarfism.



What is the half life of Tren Acetate, and do you really need ED injects to keep stable or will eod actually keep stable levels?

well when you check all over the net you will find that a Acetate esters half life is 3 days. Again this would take me a lot longer then a I want to get into for a 4 am conversion. in short yes.

i will get back to you on the esters if you send me a pm in the morning

 

[centy]

You won't get a script for primo or dbol in the US. Can get teh winny from some 'innovative' practitioners.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Medical resources are limited, especially in terms of using steroids the way we use them. All steroids may be prescribed for anemia but how many people suffer from that these days?

Primo was designed (as was var and Deca) to be a less severe treatment for muscle wasting. By that,I mean less ANDROGENIC. In the case of Deca, they had a great idea that backfired, causing suppression from a seperate mechanism. In the case of Primo, they got it right. (Well, the German's did). But since all steroids are based on the T hormone, there is always SOME suppression.

Half lives are easy enough to find.

Esters are the most misunderstood aspect. I know it's common thinking that they make a difference but they really don't. Prop will raise T in the bloodstream in minutes. Enth will raise it in a couple of hours. What's the big diff? Though there is some validity that prop is more bio-active simply for the fact that it's more concentrated. In other words, the ester which allows cyp to last longer takes up more space in the overall dosage -- or so some say. The jury is out on that one though many feel the daily injections are worth the "extra" benefits of prop.

The notion that certain drugs take longer to "kick in" is pure ignorance. For example, the only difference between Primo and Test is T will increase blood count and water retention faster so you see "results" quicker. But it does not grow muscle any faster than, let's say, Primo or Var. Orals are as fast acting as prop so the only legitimate "kicker" would be to use an oral for the first few days. After that, it doesn't matter.

There are less studies on vet gear for obvious reasons. You're not supposed to use them.

As far as the anabolic/androgenic ratings, I've never been convinced any of them are that scientific. I know what "THE BOOK/S" say but I think it's basically guesswork that has been passed down through the ages.

 

[Nelson Montana]

A thread that deserves a second look IMO.

 

[ryno9000]

A thread that deserves a second look IMO.

I agree! Seems like these type of threads don't spark that much interest though

Needto was kind enough to PM with a link that details some info on esters, so I thought I should share that here:

Esters:Much more than just half-life...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree! Seems like these type of threads don't spark that much interest though

Needto was kind enough to PM with a link that details some info on esters, so I thought I should share that here:

Esters:Much more than just half-life...

Good article. AR is good with that stuff though I may take issue with a few points. To translate in simple terms, prop allows for a greater release of T since it doesn' t have an ester designed to "hold it back" therefore, you tend to get "more" test per mg . Theoretically.

 

[eddymerckx]

I agree! Seems like these type of threads don't spark that much interest though

Needto was kind enough to PM with a link that details some info on esters, so I thought I should share that here:

Esters:Much more than just half-life...

I agree--but the problem is that it is much easier to equate a half-life with the ester and most bros, myself included, do not understand all the other biochem that goes into the actual number--if it even can be determined except as to a specific individual (and even then is it repeatable).

I guess that is why cannot really come up with a formulaic cycle for anyone except myself --and that is after years of trial and many errors.

Another issue is so much of the human research is done on individuals with various systemic compromises that surely call into to question the results in 6' 265lb males (e.g. hcg studies on congenital hypogonadic males or a-bomb studies on advanced aids patients--and as Nelson mentions, what about vet only drugs)

so I will claim only to be an expert in what certain gear does to me---)

good thread ryno