6-oxo Extreme. Looks good for pct!!

[steelydanman]

I don't care for patrick arnold or 6 oxo

 

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It looks like the media did another bang-up job on getting their facts straight. Man, you can't hang your hat on anything these MF'ers say. They said that they tested 6-OXO not the metabolites.

Also, I hear everybody saying they don't like Patrick Arnold, but nobody is actually saying why. It must be the popular bandwagon. What nobody can deny is that the guy has forgotten more about bodybuilding chemistry than most on here will ever know.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It looks like the media did another bang-up job on getting their facts straight. Man, you can't hang your hat on anything these MF'ers say. They said that they tested 6-OXO not the metabolites.

Also, I hear everybody saying they don't like Patrick Arnold, but nobody is actually saying why. It must be the popular bandwagon. What nobody can deny is that the guy has forgotten more about bodybuilding chemistry than most on here will ever know.

I wish he'd forget more. He's put out one crappy product after another which left thousands of people with compromised HPTA's, not to mention needing gyno surgery. He exagerates (lies?) his claims about the suppossed "studies" done on his products. He conducts himself unprofessionally. He's the one who was so sure "the clear" wouldn't be detected, then...guess what? He's a hack chemist who thinks he's a frickin' genius and thinks nothing of selling his experiments to an unsuspecting public. And didn't he rat out a bunch of people when all that crap went down at BALCO? Anyway, I've also had some personal exchanges with him and he's acted like an imperious dick. (This was before he went under house arrest). So what does he know that's of so much value?

 

[cal62887]

I wish he'd forget more. He's put out one crappy product after another which left thousands of people with compromised HPTA's, not to mention needing gyno surgery. He exagerates (lies?) his claims about the suppossed "studies" done on his products. He conducts himself unprofessionally. He's the one who was so sure "the clear" wouldn't be detected, then...guess what? He's a hack chemist who thinks he's a frickin' genius and thinks nothing of selling his experiments to an unsuspecting public. And didn't he rat out a bunch of people when all that crap went down at BALCO? Anyway, I've also had some personal exchanges with him and he's acted like an imperious dick. (This was before he went under house arrest). So what does he know that's of so much value?

It wasn't detected. Hence the name. It wasn't until Don Catlin was sent a bottle by a jealous coach that authorities were even aware of the drug. Until then there was no test for THG.

 

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It wasn't detected. Hence the name. It wasn't until Don Catlin was sent a bottle by a jealous coach that authorities were even aware of the drug. Until then there was no test for THG.

Yes, exactly. Thank you.

 

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I wish he'd forget more. He's put out one crappy product after another which left thousands of people with compromised HPTA's, not to mention needing gyno surgery. He exagerates (lies?) his claims about the suppossed "studies" done on his products. He conducts himself unprofessionally. He's the one who was so sure "the clear" wouldn't be detected, then...guess what? He's a hack chemist who thinks he's a frickin' genius and thinks nothing of selling his experiments to an unsuspecting public. And didn't he rat out a bunch of people when all that crap went down at BALCO? Anyway, I've also had some personal exchanges with him and he's acted like an imperious dick. (This was before he went under house arrest). So what does he know that's of so much value?

I seem to have struck some kind of a raw nerve here. I don't owe anything to Pat, but lets at least get the facts straight. He didn't "rat out" people. His compounds were widely distributed and proliferated without his doing. He may have testified to save his skin, after all the shit hit the fan and everyone else sold him out, but he didn't have any loyalties to most of these people anyway. I suspect you'd do the exact same thing given the circumstances. Unless you have absolute proof that it was his products, and his products alone, that caused the gyno and suppression, then I think that you are just making irresponsible statements. I mean, it not like users of performance enhancing drugs would be taking more than ONE compound, now is it???

Oh, and the word "exchanges" implies a two-way street. But, it couldn't have been anything you said, right Nelson? Love him or hate him, I don't really care. My point is that people are such followers when it comes to bashing.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I seem to have struck some kind of a raw nerve here. I don't owe anything to Pat, but lets at least get the facts straight. He didn't "rat out" people. His compounds were widely distributed and proliferated without his doing. He may have testified to save his skin, after all the shit hit the fan and everyone else sold him out, but he didn't have any loyalties to most of these people anyway. I suspect you'd do the exact same thing given the circumstances. Unless you have absolute proof that it was his products, and his products alone, that caused the gyno and suppression, then I think that you are just making irresponsible statements. I mean, it not like users of performance enhancing drugs would be taking more than ONE compound, now is it???

Oh, and the word "exchanges" implies a two-way street. But, it couldn't have been anything you said, right Nelson? Love him or hate him, I don't really care. My point is that people are such followers when it comes to bashing.

You're wrong bro. Trust me on this. I know a little more than you do. And I have no bandwagon to jump on.

Forget the clear and all the legal bullshit, let's just concentrate on the products and my PROOF.

Let's start with androstein. Then nor androstein. Then Androstein sublinqual. Then androsteine topical. And about 6-7 more, all supposedly better than the last crap and all estrogen spiking garbage. You forget that we're both in the same industry and deal with the same people. it was pretty well known that stuff was bad.

And no, it's nothing I "said." I'm not holding some petty grudge because we had a difference of opinion. I just hate people who are so full of themselves they can't see themseleves as ever being anything less than better than everyone else. Arnold hated that I was getting attention at T-Mag and went out of his way to badmouth me on the message boards. I'd say that was like a little bitchy thing to do. I tried to be friendly but he was more interested in "owning" me in front of the kids on MFW.

Arnold isn't the only one in this industry who has this trait, but they're all of the same ilk. Around 1995 when Phillips was looking for "science guys" to give credibility to his promotions he'd round up anyone who had a degree in chemistry. These gys became overnight stars and actually believed their own hype. THAT is what I don't like. But hey, if he actually did something good, I'd still respect him. At least Arnold is built, which is more than I can say for most of the other "experts." Other than that, tell me what he's done that's so good?

As far as I know, he allowed dangerous compounds to be sold to minors either because he was too stupid or too egotistical to admit they could do harm or was too greedy not to take advantage. Swell guy.

 

[joe d]

from personal experience 6-oxo can be an effective ai. i think it is better than some of the over the counter stuff sold here. not to trash talk and im not going to debate. just my personal observation.

 

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You're wrong bro. Trust me on this. I know a little more than you do. And I have no bandwagon to jump on.

Forget the clear and all the legal bullshit, let's just concentrate on the products and my PROOF.

Let's start with androstein. Then nor androstein. Then Androstein sublinqual. Then androsteine topical. And about 6-7 more, all supposedly better than the last crap and all estrogen spiking garbage. You forget that we're both in the same industry and deal with the same people. it was pretty well known that stuff was bad.

And no, it's nothing I "said." I'm not holding some petty grudge because we had a difference of opinion. I just hate people who are so full of themselves they can't see themseleves as ever being anything less than better than everyone else. Arnold hated that I was getting attention at T-Mag and went out of his way to badmouth me on the message boards. I'd say that was like a little bitchy thing to do. I tried to be friendly but he was more interested in "owning" me in front of the kids on MFW.

Arnold isn't the only one in this industry who has this trait, but they're all of the same ilk. Around 1995 when Phillips was looking for "science guys" to give credibility to his promotions he'd round up anyone who had a degree in chemistry. These gys became overnight stars and actually believed their own hype. THAT is what I don't like. But hey, if he actually did something good, I'd still respect him. At least Arnold is built, which is more than I can say for most of the other "experts." Other than that, tell me what he's done that's so good?

As far as I know, he allowed dangerous compounds to be sold to minors either because he was too stupid or too egotistical to admit they could do harm or was too greedy not to take advantage. Swell guy.

There's always more to the story than meets the eye . You've obviously had some not-so-good dealings with the guy. I wasn't aware of some of these things as I'm not privy to all the poop. Thanks.

 

[Nelson Montana]

There's always more to the story than meets the eye . You've obviously had some not-so-good dealings with the guy. I wasn't aware of some of these things as I'm not privy to all the poop. Thanks.

Bottom line is, my issues with Pat are a personal thing and should have no bearing on anything else. But even if I didn't know him, I'd call him on his behavior and the merit of his products. I don't know anybody at The Roid Store but wouldn't hesitate to say they're deceitful.