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500mg test e a week with hcg at 250iux2/week with nolva and aromasin on hand is good. If your diet is solid (I mean something like a strict ckd or paleo for example) and your workouts are religous zealotry you definitely loose bf.
I would shoot the test once a week since it is an enanthate. I do my sust/enanthates that way. Saves me from being a human pin cushion at times.
I am cruising on 250mg test e/week right now and with diet I am still losing bf. But I am also in the midst of an experiment with hcg.
Last year I started at 17% bf and I am now at 8%. Of course I have 30 years of lifting under my belt along with some bb competitions and cycles, so I was at an advantage when I started my cycle.
I would shoot the test once a week since it is an enanthate. I do my sust/enanthates that way. Saves me from being a human pin cushion at times.
I am cruising on 250mg test e/week right now and with diet I am still losing bf. But I am also in the midst of an experiment with hcg.
Last year I started at 17% bf and I am now at 8%. Of course I have 30 years of lifting under my belt along with some bb competitions and cycles, so I was at an advantage when I started my cycle.
digit0x
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Too much HCG. Bro above said on cycle which is debatable. I have used HCG post with great results. Too much aromasin as well. I believe they come in 25mg tabs right? Cut that in half at least. Estro is not the enemy.
Don't hold back with the info if you really want help you gotta put it all out there. 17 is high but do able just make sure you are ready for this.
Make sure you are ready.
ghettostudmuffin
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I've never gone over 500mg test ew on a consistent basis so I can't comment on whether running 750-1gram ew would blow me away with the difference in results, but I do believe test is best either run solo to keep you anabolic and produce steady/consistent gains, but nothing mind blowing or run as a base with a stronger compound.
I think many guys could gain consistently for years on 500mg ew np. Checking out sustanon at 500mg ew after about 5-6 weeks the day you inject you have roughly 10-11x more active test in your system than a regular guy. Even if you inject all 500 1x a week you never go lower than almost 4x what a stud of a guy produces before your next inject.
If you can't gain on that... .... .. .
I am starting to think that 500mg test ew with 20mg dbol ed or some low to moderate dose deca or tren would probably be superior to 1gram test ew do to the different effects of the 2 versus one drug. There's no question test+dbol is better than test alone or dbol alone.
I think many guys could gain consistently for years on 500mg ew np. Checking out sustanon at 500mg ew after about 5-6 weeks the day you inject you have roughly 10-11x more active test in your system than a regular guy. Even if you inject all 500 1x a week you never go lower than almost 4x what a stud of a guy produces before your next inject.
If you can't gain on that... .... .. .
I am starting to think that 500mg test ew with 20mg dbol ed or some low to moderate dose deca or tren would probably be superior to 1gram test ew do to the different effects of the 2 versus one drug. There's no question test+dbol is better than test alone or dbol alone.
Wow I really got my a** kicked in this post - even though I thought I had it all figured out. I want to thank you guys for taking the time. Its appreciated.
Regarding the PCT which seems to be the biggest issue I would like to explain why I have selected it to be like this.
Obviously Ill be needing aSERM – I have chosen Nolvadex because it has estrogenic effects, it lowers cholesterol-, as well as preventing gynocomastia by preventing oestrogen gene transcription in breast tissue. It acts as an anti-oestrogen in the pituitary, thus increasing LH and FSH, which result in an increase in testosterone. 20mgs of Nolvadex is said to increase testosterone levels about 150%.
In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed. It can also block a bit of estrogen in the pituitary, which is a great benefit when used with HCG.
HCG stimulates the by initiating gene transcription that is identical to that of Luetenizing Hormone, thereby causing the Leydig Cells to produce testosterone. This way I can stimulate LH and FSH production with Nolvadex, and then directly stimulate the Leydig Cells as well, to produce testosterone by different routes.
While HCG increases Testosterone, it increases estrogen as well. Unfortunately, the downregulation of the Leydig Cell LH receptor itself, seems to also play a role in high dose HCG testicular desensitization. This is also done by HCG actually blocking the conversion of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone. Nolvadex stops this blocking-action of HCG from taking place because of Nolvadex’s direct antiestrogenic effect and LH-upregulating effect on the Pituitary, suppression of gonadotropins via HCG is almost totally stopped with concurrent administration of Nolvadex
Now there there’s the issue of estrogen caused by that HCG-stimulated surge in testosterone. I could use low doses (300iu or so) to avoid some of that major spike in estrogen, and thus cause far less inhibition from the HCG but I would be using a bit more HCG per injection (500iu) to get my body functioning fully more quickly.
Im adding AI because it makes estrogen receptors useless, and instead of just inhibiting production it cuts off production totally. Aromasin can effectively remove up to about 85%+ of estrogen from your body. Most importantly, using Aromasin together with Nolvadex doesn’t reduce exemestane’s effectiveness. I think the problem of ANY inhibition possible with HCG is solved why I can use that 500iu/day dose that I wanted to use previously. With this PCT, there will be a rapid increase in LH, FSH, and testosterone, as well as almost a complete block on all the factors that could be causing natural hormones to be delayed in returning to baseline.
Does that make sense or am I screwed?
Regarding the PCT which seems to be the biggest issue I would like to explain why I have selected it to be like this.
Obviously Ill be needing aSERM – I have chosen Nolvadex because it has estrogenic effects, it lowers cholesterol-, as well as preventing gynocomastia by preventing oestrogen gene transcription in breast tissue. It acts as an anti-oestrogen in the pituitary, thus increasing LH and FSH, which result in an increase in testosterone. 20mgs of Nolvadex is said to increase testosterone levels about 150%.
In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed. It can also block a bit of estrogen in the pituitary, which is a great benefit when used with HCG.
HCG stimulates the by initiating gene transcription that is identical to that of Luetenizing Hormone, thereby causing the Leydig Cells to produce testosterone. This way I can stimulate LH and FSH production with Nolvadex, and then directly stimulate the Leydig Cells as well, to produce testosterone by different routes.
While HCG increases Testosterone, it increases estrogen as well. Unfortunately, the downregulation of the Leydig Cell LH receptor itself, seems to also play a role in high dose HCG testicular desensitization. This is also done by HCG actually blocking the conversion of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone. Nolvadex stops this blocking-action of HCG from taking place because of Nolvadex’s direct antiestrogenic effect and LH-upregulating effect on the Pituitary, suppression of gonadotropins via HCG is almost totally stopped with concurrent administration of Nolvadex
Now there there’s the issue of estrogen caused by that HCG-stimulated surge in testosterone. I could use low doses (300iu or so) to avoid some of that major spike in estrogen, and thus cause far less inhibition from the HCG but I would be using a bit more HCG per injection (500iu) to get my body functioning fully more quickly.
Im adding AI because it makes estrogen receptors useless, and instead of just inhibiting production it cuts off production totally. Aromasin can effectively remove up to about 85%+ of estrogen from your body. Most importantly, using Aromasin together with Nolvadex doesn’t reduce exemestane’s effectiveness. I think the problem of ANY inhibition possible with HCG is solved why I can use that 500iu/day dose that I wanted to use previously. With this PCT, there will be a rapid increase in LH, FSH, and testosterone, as well as almost a complete block on all the factors that could be causing natural hormones to be delayed in returning to baseline.
Does that make sense or am I screwed?
Deltoid_87
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I knew I wasnt the only one... No need to run test over 500mg! Keep it low and add other compounds for better results.
Test/Mast is a great, simple cutter. Smashes Test alone.
gotmilk
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+1
I'd actually switch to Omna's if I was in his position and start tweaking my protein/carb intake before I even started.
gotmilk
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Omnadren is too much? I disagree. Some of the best test based cycles was Sustenon, especially back when you could get the redijects.
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