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2 Questions: Overtraining and Diet

seamusm

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Hi everyone!

Shortly I will be starting a mild cycle of Test E(my 2nd) at 500mgs/wk. I have a fairly athletic body, but I have a concave chest and find it somewhat difficult to put on muscle and gain strenth in my chest and back. For my arms and shoulders however, I put on muscle mass and gain strenth very easily

My first question is, while on Test, would it be counterproductive to work my chest and back HARD twice a week? Would I be overtraining or would the Test in my body allow me to recover quickly enough to do this? Hypothetically, lets say Mondays and Fridays

I have also been doing some reading on different dieting and have become very interested in fasting. Im considering trying a diet of fasting for 8hrs during the morning and afternoon, and then cramming down as many calories as possible during the evenings. I've read claims that this is the absolute best way to burn fat and build muscle at the same time. I have a work schedule that will allow me to do this, but im concerned about whether I'll have the appetite to consume 3000 calories in 6-8hrs. I know everyone has different eating habits, so sorry if this is a dumb question but I was wondering what other peoples experiences were doing this.

For people who have tried this, did you find it a superior way to both burn fat AND increase muscle mass at the same time? Also, did you find it difficult to consume the calories you needed during this timespan(concerning your appetite, not the availability of food)?

Thank you for taking the time to read, and for any and all replys!
 
As far as IF goes I would think you could get 3000 cals in that time. Depending on your macro/micro beliefs you probably could manipulate your diet to make it happen. I have done 300g protein, 200g carbs, and about 50g fat in one meal before. Quite easily I might add... thats around 2450 cals right there, took less than one hour.
Working out 2x a week on a certain body part is not unheard of, I train HST where I do full body every other day. Just cant go to failure and you have to plan accordingly. Also, Layne Norton's PHAT is a twice a week routine and that is done natty (I think, he claims to be a natty).
 
I actually just started Lean Gains a week ago and can say the first couple days I'd hard but after that it's a piece of cake.

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Hi everyone!

Shortly I will be starting a mild cycle of Test E(my 2nd) at 500mgs/wk. I have a fairly athletic body, but I have a concave chest and find it somewhat difficult to put on muscle and gain strenth in my chest and back. For my arms and shoulders however, I put on muscle mass and gain strenth very easily

My first question is, while on Test, would it be counterproductive to work my chest and back HARD twice a week? Would I be overtraining or would the Test in my body allow me to recover quickly enough to do this? Hypothetically, lets say Mondays and Fridays

I have also been doing some reading on different dieting and have become very interested in fasting. Im considering trying a diet of fasting for 8hrs during the morning and afternoon, and then cramming down as many calories as possible during the evenings. I've read claims that this is the absolute best way to burn fat and build muscle at the same time. I have a work schedule that will allow me to do this, but im concerned about whether I'll have the appetite to consume 3000 calories in 6-8hrs. I know everyone has different eating habits, so sorry if this is a dumb question but I was wondering what other peoples experiences were doing this.

For people who have tried this, did you find it a superior way to both burn fat AND increase muscle mass at the same time? Also, did you find it difficult to consume the calories you needed during this timespan(concerning your appetite, not the availability of food)?

Thank you for taking the time to read, and for any and all replys!




Slow down here my man, We have alot of knowledgeable people on these forums and I also work at a hospital , so lets start by getting a run down of a few things so we may assist you better.

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Hi everyone!

Shortly I will be starting a mild cycle of Test E(my 2nd) at 500mgs/wk. I have a fairly athletic body, but I have a concave chest and find it somewhat difficult to put on muscle and gain strenth in my chest and back. For my arms and shoulders however, I put on muscle mass and gain strenth very easily

My first question is, while on Test, would it be counterproductive to work my chest and back HARD twice a week? Would I be overtraining or would the Test in my body allow me to recover quickly enough to do this? Hypothetically, lets say Mondays and Fridays

I have also been doing some reading on different dieting and have become very interested in fasting. Im considering trying a diet of fasting for 8hrs during the morning and afternoon, and then cramming down as many calories as possible during the evenings. I've read claims that this is the absolute best way to burn fat and build muscle at the same time. I have a work schedule that will allow me to do this, but im concerned about whether I'll have the appetite to consume 3000 calories in 6-8hrs. I know everyone has different eating habits, so sorry if this is a dumb question but I was wondering what other peoples experiences were doing this.

For people who have tried this, did you find it a superior way to both burn fat AND increase muscle mass at the same time? Also, did you find it difficult to consume the calories you needed during this timespan(concerning your appetite, not the availability of food)?

Thank you for taking the time to read, and for any and all replys!
I would hit back and chest on different days and increase the volume/intensity of the workout instead of worrying so much about how many times a week youre training them, listen to your body when it comes to that. If you back is still healing from your last workout then train something else or take a day off....as far as fasting I've never tried that type of diet and it may work but results would most likely be slow, if youre happy with your body composition i'd say go for it but if you NEED size or if you NEED to cut fat i'd pick one or the other and go with it....

try out n2slin, if you're bulking it will help keep you lean and if you're cutting it will help drop fat, it really is a very versatile supplement I've always got a bottle on hand...
 
Sorry...

Im 27yrs, 5'11'', 83kg
Don't know my BF but I'd guess in the 11-13% range
Been lifting about 18months steady, before that on and off

I've also been terribly lazy the last 6months and have done no cardio, which will change in the next few weeks. Planning HIIT 2x/wk

Now...
5 day split
Monday-Shoulders
Tuesday-Arms
Wednesday-Legs

Friday-Chest
Saturday-Back
 
Thats so not gonna cut it my friend, We didn't just pop up here overnite.I got that way by busting my ass, i even gave up sundays where i would train for 4 hrs, probably crazy now as i look back, yet it instilled a stubborness, and dedication i carry today, Pm me if i can help.
 
Thats so not gonna cut it my friend, We didn't just pop up here overnite.I got that way by busting my ass, i even gave up sundays where i would train for 4 hrs, probably crazy now as i look back, yet it instilled a stubborness, and dedication i carry today, Pm me if i can help.
4 hours? holy ****, I could just imagine what that workout consisted of lol
 
Thats so not gonna cut it my friend, We didn't just pop up here overnite.I got that way by busting my ass, i even gave up sundays where i would train for 4 hrs, probably crazy now as i look back, yet it instilled a stubborness, and dedication i carry today, Pm me if i can help.

Yeah, pretty bad about the cardio I know. Do you not like the way I split the routine? I've read that lifting for over an hour can be counterproductive so I split this way to put more focus on each muscle group while keeping sessions to 30-50mins. If this is not advisable, Im very happy to change it up
 
I will tell you straight up what is wrong and give you advise as this is an easy one to figure out.. you probably won't like what I tell you but since you asked.

your workout split frankly sucks. you aren't doing compound lifts it seems and you are doing these silly 1 muscle part a day nonsense that works for guys cross training but not guys who want to put on muscle mass.

at your height and weight you need to put on another 20 pounds naturally before touching steroids. this is another problem i see, you don't have your workouts down yet to need to juice.

so lets change your workout and go with it for the next 6 months to a year minimum and see how you react.. i bet you will do very well. below in my signature i have a 3 day split, read that and follow it. it will be a vast improvement over what you are doing now.

as far as cardio you don't need much of it, you are too skinny as it is.. do you want to be fit or put on muscle mass? you can worry about cardio later on once you get over 200

you didn't list your diet but i'm assuming you aren't eating to get big either.. remember to get big you have to eat big and lift big. wish you lived close to me i would love to have you watch my workouts so you understand what i mean by this. maybe i will put up a vid sometime
 
I will tell you straight up what is wrong and give you advise as this is an easy one to figure out.. you probably won't like what I tell you but since you asked.

your workout split frankly sucks. you aren't doing compound lifts it seems and you are doing these silly 1 muscle part a day nonsense that works for guys cross training but not guys who want to put on muscle mass.

at your height and weight you need to put on another 20 pounds naturally before touching steroids. this is another problem i see, you don't have your workouts down yet to need to juice.

so lets change your workout and go with it for the next 6 months to a year minimum and see how you react.. i bet you will do very well. below in my signature i have a 3 day split, read that and follow it. it will be a vast improvement over what you are doing now.

as far as cardio you don't need much of it, you are too skinny as it is.. do you want to be fit or put on muscle mass? you can worry about cardio later on once you get over 200

you didn't list your diet but i'm assuming you aren't eating to get big either.. remember to get big you have to eat big and lift big. wish you lived close to me i would love to have you watch my workouts so you understand what i mean by this. maybe i will put up a vid sometime

Thanks for taking the time to answer

I read your 3day split. Seems like I was thinking too much about the overtraining. I have one question about the legs: should I perform squats and deads on the same day, split them so Im doing squats once a week and deads once a week, or do one for say a month then switch to the other?
 
^^^ i answer questions like that in that thread.

but no i wouldn't do both on the same day.. and no don't do it a month and switch over.. do it one leg session then do the other the next leg session. and try and workout 5X per week.. that is a good amount and it isn't overtraining. however at first you probably will be very sore cause what you are doing now isn't conditioning you.

remember COMPOUND heavy lifts.. i would aim for 3-5 reps per set on benches, squats, deads, militaries, etc etc. don't forget dips and pullups.. read the whole thread and i explain more.

i see guys in the gym all the time who lift small to stay small.. the issue is they stand in front of the mirror doing curls for 30 minutes, then go do machines for another 30 minutes.. and doing small weight. gotta change your workout demeanor and go in there like a beast, and leave there like a beast.

your body will react very well and you will notice your chest and shoulders will grow very quickly
 
one thing i can say is this... its great to read and learn, which it is clear that you are doing... but you are taking every little thing you read too literally... just because one person said it worked for them, there will be another that it didn't... you need to try these things first and see what accomodates your body... its taken me a decade to get it down properly and it STILL needs tweaked...

i really don't like the all day fasting and then slamming everything down in one sitting or two at night... your metabolism is just dead then during the day which makes it not move at all when you do slam, and its harder on you to do that all at once... you should be eating, even if its small, contiuously throughout the day, to keep your body in check, metabolism right, muscles growing, etc... i eat something small literally every 1 to 1.5 hours... i work 9 hour days so i hate when people say "i work so i can't" yes you can... you just have to figure it out and make it work...

as far as your training goes, you can hit them twice a week, thats how i do it but you need to figure out what method works best and what your muscles respond to...

as steve said, you need to get your weight right first and you need to assess and figure out what works before you start any cycle...

hope this helps...
 
Im glad everytime I wanna tell people they need to train more naty before juicing Steve always beats me too it...

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