Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below When I stsrted working for Ray Mentzer back in 87 in Redondo Beach,Ca. My bodybuilding intetest began. I remember starting out with Test. Cyp. 100mg per week along with 100mg. of the old Organon Deca that used to come in the itty bitty vials. Soon later and many runs later by 2005 I was running my unknowingly last cycle. 1750mg.of Sust. and 200 mg. of Prop per week along with 1200mg. of NPP per week. Dbol was low at 100mg/day. Slin was just at 4iu per day. During that span. I never touched nolva clomid nor hcg. Know why? Cause I never came off. In 05 there was alot going on. Especially on here. I had to quit cold turkey. The only damage it did was to me mentally. I had to be placed on Geodon and antidepressants. But from a sexual standpoint I was screwed. But yet that only took 6 months to correct itself. Aside from the end of this story. Im telling those that are curious. YES. No PCT is possible. But then again during that span. I never came off. But dont think it wont hurt you. Since 05 Ive had blood clots, peptic ulcer, hypertention, and half of my colon removed. Big-T
19 straight years with no PCT
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Whoa
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Are you still training?
I remember you ha ing a blood clot a few years ago bro. You/docs sure it was brought on by constant aas? No hereditary phlebitis?
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Thanks for the read...couple questions. Obviously you were not ever at hrt dose and were doing hard steroid abuse correct? What are your test levels now? Are you still on any depressants? Were you depressed or down ever before your 19yr run? Sorry for so many questions and I do have more, but this is a great opportunity to lean and share some possible answers to unknowns. THANKS
Yes Im training now. Started back 3 months ago after not touching a weight since the start of 06. I still take certain meds regarding the anti deps and klonopin and seroquel.
As far as my T levels...not dure right now. Plan to check around April. As for the blood clots,peptic ulcer, oh forgot two shoulder surgeries and a torn bicep, and the phsychological issues. Of course the docs are going to blame it on aas abuse. But no I wasnt depressed during the training days. The sudden cold turkey effect in my opinion is the cause of that.
As far as my T levels...not dure right now. Plan to check around April. As for the blood clots,peptic ulcer, oh forgot two shoulder surgeries and a torn bicep, and the phsychological issues. Of course the docs are going to blame it on aas abuse. But no I wasnt depressed during the training days. The sudden cold turkey effect in my opinion is the cause of that.
cycling off and on is the best way to do it people. learn from this guy.
you can get stronger and bigger year over year with this strategy. I am now closing in on 200 pounds which I never imagined was possible being only 5 6. and I only run 2-3 cycles per year. all my blood work checks out perfect.. bp is excellent. lets use steroids smartly.. my baseline T levels return to the 500's when I come off. LH is humming as well.
you can get stronger and bigger year over year with this strategy. I am now closing in on 200 pounds which I never imagined was possible being only 5 6. and I only run 2-3 cycles per year. all my blood work checks out perfect.. bp is excellent. lets use steroids smartly.. my baseline T levels return to the 500's when I come off. LH is humming as well.
Dont know and honestly it doesnt matter to me. right now im at 1 omna per day right now.
T levels???? At 42years of age theyre gonna naturally be what they should be. around 250-275
What condition did you have that caused your partial colon removal bro?
Do you think it was AAS related? What did your doctors attribute it to?
Do you think it was AAS related? What did your doctors attribute it to?
No kids yet at age 42 Mom. Sorry. No grandkids from me. Youll just have to deal with my brothers kids.
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What is the point of this thread? What do you mean by "it's possible" to not run PCT. Are you trying to teach people that what you did was wrong and for people to learn from your mistakes?? Or are you showing off saying you made it out alive after running stupid amounts of steroids for 19 years and now "you're fine". I'm just confused on what point you're trying to get across here.
Read it and take it both ways then STFU
G2G now Woot! Cancelled on the Dec contest. Just gonna have fun. Hows the bambino?
BTW Your better half is still outta your league. Better have somethin nice for Valentines Day. Ill be checkin. lololol
Haha, everything is all good bro! The girl is way outta my league i know lol...the baby is great!! I hope everything is good with your health bro
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Lol.. I can definitely tell you hang with woot on here...
Wtf? Lol
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Lol^^^^^^^lol.....
Awesome Brother. Im proud for ya!
JoeBlob
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Good idea. You should preach more that no PCT is the way to go. You look like you did well from it. In my opinion more people should also be running 10 grams of juice a week, of course with no PCT.
alright dude do me a favor and be respectful towards the other members on here.. we don't talk like that on EF today.
dunno if you are friends with this guy or not but not gonna allow this on my watch
Honestly its all unknown. I would mainly use Sust, tren hex, drol, slin or prop, dbol, npp, slin never any gh.
you got it S!! but know this. i dont put up with no newb mouth either.
if someone comes at you then just PM a mod and we will take care of it. a lot of times the 2nd guy gets clipped for retaliating.. like i said if you two have a history then just place each other on ignore and move on. really i don't think anyone on the AAS forums should be at each others throats, we are all brothers on here.
C&C is a different story, can fuck each other up in there lol
not going to say bro. sorry. u can pm.me and ill br mote than glad to trll you. we font want to upset virgin ears
With the disclaimers and warnings above I think open discussion here is fine now. These are questions lots of us have. I'd love to know more about the cycles you ran - substances, duration, amounts, etc.
the day i had to quit cold turkey i wss running 3.5grams of test alone. 150mg of tren acd/ed and around 150mg dbol per day. split 75mg 2 hours before workout and anotjer 75mg before napping. acter running my slin and eating as soon as i got homr
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plus many pins a day??damm thats dedication ad b scared to take a drink incase a spring a leak!!!haha
constant even ran 500mg sust ed alaways ed pinning
Trav...you are definitely not of the norm bro, thanks for your share here...I have subbed for knowledge and further education. Question, were you constantly running an AI, Caber, or Proviron during this time or is that a stupid question? What type of support supplements were you using to help protect your liver, blood pressure, kidneys, etc? I am 42 and am contemplating cruising from here on out, but still on the fence about it. I have many telling me that I should, since at this point in my life I am done having kids, and just want to keep competing in bodybuilding shows as I have one this July I am preparing for...again thanks for putting all this out there for us to learn from.
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I couldn't agree more with this statement. Cycling "responsibly" is the key to success and health
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Ive heard that with dbol, theres only so much you can run without benefitting that much more off a higher dose. Highest I ran was 50. Im still not sure whether there is a point of diminishing return interms of orals like dbol..
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150mg of Dbol is truly insane for sure, never went above 50mg myself. Anadrol was the only one I went up to 100mg before and regretted it almost instantly...flu like symptoms, kidneys were on fire, was peeing protein and blood, lesson learned there!
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Blasting and cruising is far superior to cycling imo... Not at the doses that travis used.. But why the hell would I want to spend a shitload of money on pct to have lower test levels makes no sense when you are past your genetic potential... I guess if you plan on quitting working out one day or had trouble having kids while on (my last son was concieved after a good period of use).
thats assuming you can restore your HPTA. staying on for a long period of time will make it more difficult.
also cycling off is important to get your body healthy. i understand what you are saying about losing gains but its actually a good thing for you to take a step back and let the body catch up.
there is no reason why you cannot cycle and still continue to make gains.
IF a) you don't care too much about HPTA being able to be restored. and b) IF......IF ...you cruise on an actual TRT dose that keeps your natty test around 900-1100 AND you get regular bloods to make sure RBC, IRON, and other shit isn't getting out of hand then yeah B&C is great.
Most guys don't understand that cruising means taking just enough to get things back into normal range. NOT 200-300+ mg wk.
Agreed. There is no reason blast and cruising can't be done in a healthy way. The problem is a lot of guys are abusers in more ways than one, whether it be cruising at too high a dose, not cruising long enough, not getting bloods or taking the right supports, etc...
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