12 yrs training going for my 1st cycle

[CPA22]

you have come this far and you should be proud of being natural. I hope that you have given serious consideration to use because there is no turning back as some would say.

Your cycle looks good, except maybe bump up the deca to 300mgs a week and keep the sustanon at 250. You will see some great results from this.

good luck.

 

[jubei]

I don't know why you guys think he should be doing deca and dbol? Go with sust or enth at around 350mg/week and you will get great results. For you next cycle add deca and or dbol if you want.

 

[kbrkbr]

Everyone laughs when I say this, but my first cycle was 1 orgenon sus rediject (250mg) and 1 orgenon deco (50mg per week and I blew up. Wastn't using any ancillaries, so much of it was water. My point is a little goes a long way first time.

I envy you getting to do you first cycle. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

 

[bicepts101]

im with jubei here

i used multiple compounds on my first cycle and i didnt know what i was getting gyno from....i only need one compound

 

[stuartm]

Jubei thx for clearing up the nolvadex/tamox thing...

Guys all advice is really appreciated,
As I said before I have thought hard about starting AS, but I really want to see my body grow more from were I have taken it naturally...

I am a little confused now but I guess that is what discussion forums are for.. to discuss...some advice for 1 compound other advicef or me to up the test..at my age (35) and the strength/size I have now naturally would I be correct to say I would need the 3 compounds and maybe up the test to gain for a first cycle..I feel I have exhausted my natural limits and wary that my age may be less receptive to AS.

Cheers.

 

[Themachine01]

I don't know why you guys think he should be doing deca and dbol? Go with sust or enth at around 350mg/week and you will get great results. For you next cycle add deca and or dbol if you want.

It all depends on personal preferance. I ran sus at 250mg every 5 days for my first cycle years ago and seen some gains, but if I look back and had the chance to do it over again I would run something like I suggested to him earlier in this thread. He will not notice any more sides from adding a light dose of deca to the test then if he ran the test alone like your suggesting, therefore I dont see a problem with it, the only difference is he might get a little more out of it, positive not negative. The only thing questionable hear would be the dbol, but running it at only 30mg ed for the 1st 4 weeks isnt going to have any negative affects either, if he has nolva on hand then he will be fine with any gyno symptons that may arise, but I do not think he will have any trouble at all with gyno (unless he extremely prone to it) with those doses. Like I said though, it all comes down to personal preference.

 

[jubei]

He should get 10-15 off a cycle of just sust. I doubt he gets more than an extra pound adding deca and dbol.

 

[Themachine01]

He should get 10-15 off a cycle of just sust. I doubt he gets more than an extra pound adding deca and dbol.

So your trying to tell me that a sus cycle alone at 250mg e5d will give the same results as a 500mg/wk sus, 250mg deca, 30mg/day for 4 weeks cycle?

 

[bicepts101]

It all depends on personal preferance. I ran sus at 250mg every 5 days for my first cycle years ago and seen some gains, but if I look back and had the chance to do it over again I would run something like I suggested to him earlier in this thread. He will not notice any more sides from adding a light dose of deca to the test then if he ran the test alone like your suggesting, therefore I dont see a problem with it, the only difference is he might get a little more out of it, positive not negative. The only thing questionable hear would be the dbol, but running it at only 30mg ed for the 1st 4 weeks isnt going to have any negative affects either, if he has nolva on hand then he will be fine with any gyno symptons that may arise, but I do not think he will have any trouble at all with gyno (unless he extremely prone to it) with those doses. Like I said though, it all comes down to personal preference.

thats the thing here...this guy doesnt have a personal preference. he has never juiced before. therefore he has to establish one. you say "30mg ed of dbol for the first 4 weeks isnt going to have any negative effects"....and how do u know this? this may be true for your body, but we have no idea about his. 30mg ed of dbol for 4 weeks would have me in D-cups. 20mg ed of dbol would be more than enough....if hes gonna use it

we got to remember whos body we are talking about here

 

[musketeer]

I trained for 8 years before my first cycle, and by then had the whole eating and training thing down, like you.

My advice would be: Don't take too much in your first cycle as I blew up using just 30mg of Dbol for 5 weeks (some thing like nearly 20lbs). The strength gains were really great and although I lost 12 of those 20lbs, my max lifts stayed up there!
I wouldn't do just Dbol with hindsight, probably best to do Dbol and either 250sust or 300 Deca (you would probably get the 'cleanest' gains from Deca).