Dude you are sounding more and more like a jackass, you should stop digging. NTBM has some great products that I use, but your BS sales pitching is bringing them down. Carnivor is a great RTD, and your slandering it to try and promote NTBM is WEAK. They don't need you to be their one person (rep) brain drain, why are you around? I tell you what, if you have the balls and believe the crap you are slinging is that legit, post a poll in the anabolic section asking everyone if they believe in supplementing with protein, or no protein and just taking Gear, and see what the results are. I give you a day to get laughed out of town.